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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
Hey,

Since this will probably cause a lot of confusion in the very near future, I'm making a post about it.

About 2 hours ago, Exit International updated the PPeH again. In this update, they removed the contact details of D (both the ctemplar and proton email) and replaced them with a new, completely different email address.

Since it did not look legit, I sent an email to D's old Proton email address asking to confirm this change and received this answer:
1636126753369

So it appears to be legit on first sight. However, please still be careful.

In addition, A has now been completely removed from the PPH. Do not order from him, you will most probably just lose your money.

As per forum rules, I will not post the new email address, but you can find the old ones (which are still in use as confirmed above by D) in the PPeH uploaded by @RainAndSadness in the resource section.

Also, it appears Exit is now adding watermarks to their books to make it more difficult to upload it elsewhere. For that reason, it will most probably become harder for Rain (or others) to share updates of the book in the future. For now this does not matter that much since the old email addresses of D are still in use, but in the future I expect things to become more complicated =(

Update: it appears D confirmed to someone he will close his ctemplar account in 5 days. Nothing is known for the moment about his protonmail account. @RainAndSadness will attempt to upload the new PPH version with the updated contact details over the next few days.
 
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Death is beautiful

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May 20, 2021
793
is the old address D still in use?
 
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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
is the old address D still in use?
Yes, they are. The ones you can find in the PPH in the resource section can still be used, at least for the time being.
 
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Apricity

Wizard
Jul 27, 2021
642
Also, it appears Exit is now adding watermarks to their books to make it more difficult to upload it elsewhere.
If someone can get a copy to me, I know of a few file sharing hosts that don't care about that kind of stuff.
 
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Sk3le

Student
Oct 30, 2021
141
D provide powder N?
 
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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
If someone can get a copy to me, I know of a few file sharing hosts that don't care about that kind of stuff.
It's not about that. They put some barely visible unique code on random pages now, so they can identify and ban people who share their book.
 
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Apricity

Wizard
Jul 27, 2021
642
It's not about that. They put some barely visible unique code on random pages now, so they can identify and ban people who share their book.
A watermark. Interesting, but not impossible to overcome. I have an active paid Adobe Acrobat Pro subscription, you can remove such things. If anyone wants to give it a try lmk.
 
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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
A watermark. Interesting, but not impossible to overcome. I have an active paid Adobe Acrobat Pro subscription, you can remove such things. If anyone wants to give it a try lmk.
It shouldn't be hard to remove, but they add it to random pages (and different ones every time), so you'd have to go over every single page, find it and remove it.
 
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Apricity

Wizard
Jul 27, 2021
642
It shouldn't be hard to remove, but they add it to random pages (and different ones every time), so you'd have to go over every single page, find it and remove it.
There's a way to remove all at once. Tbh, even if I had to go page by page i would do it. Exit charges too much and is too exclusionary imo. People shouldn't be kept from information just because they aren't seniors or have a terminal illness. It's like Exit is saying you have ownership over your life, but only if...
 
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xyzasd

Member
Nov 3, 2021
29
On which page is the mail of D? Or could you send me a PM pls?
I got scammed by A. and B. didn't answer me, these were all the contacts I found in the PPH.
 
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boc

Experienced
May 19, 2021
252
I know it's not free, but could also buy a hard copy version on amazon. It's about $100. The latest version in print is still the April version, so worth waiting. But if you're dropping several hundred on N, might be worth buying the hardcopy of the book to verify the address.
Hey,

Since this will probably cause a lot of confusion in the very near future, I'm making a post about it.

About 2 hours ago, Exit International updated the PPeH again. In this update, they removed the contact details of D (both the ctemplar and proton email) and replaced them with a new, completely different email address.

Since it did not look legit, I sent an email to D's old Proton email address asking to confirm this change and received this answer:
View attachment 78138

So it appears to be legit on first sight. However, please still be careful.

In addition, A has now been completely removed from the PPH. Do not order from him, you will most probably just lose your money.

As per forum rules, I will not post the new email address, but you can find the old ones (which are still in use as confirmed above by D) in the PPeH uploaded by @RainAndSadness in the resource section.

Also, it appears Exit is now adding watermarks to their books to make it more difficult to upload it elsewhere. For that reason, it will most probably become harder for Rain (or others) to share updates of the book in the future. For now this does not matter that much since the old email addresses of D are still in use, but in the future I expect things to become more complicated =(
Is D now the only provider in the Book? Or are there any new sellers listed? It would be sad if we were down to a single supplier.
 
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Apricity

Wizard
Jul 27, 2021
642
I know it's not free, but could also buy a hard copy version on amazon. It's about $100. The latest version in print is still the April version, so worth waiting. But if you're dropping several hundred on N, might be worth buying the hardcopy of the book to verify the address.

Is D now the only provider in the Book? Or are there any new sellers listed? It would be sad if we were down to a single supplier.
There's a new supplier added, but there haven't been any verified sales yet.
 
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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
Update: it appears D confirmed to someone he will close his ctemplar account in 5 days. Nothing is known for the moment about his protonmail account.

If this is true, it means he will not be reachable on his old contact details anymore soon. I just talked to @RainAndSadness about it and she will attempt to upload the new PPH version with the updated contact details over the next few days.
 
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Smart No More

Visionary
May 5, 2021
2,726
Ah man, I deleted my previous emails to D's proton address and just refreshed the pph without saving the old address. I guess it doesn't really matter but I would have liked to save it for the sake of prosperity. I can probably remember it to be fair but don't trust my memory.
 
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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
Ah man, I deleted my previous emails to D's proton address and just refreshed the pph without saving the old address. I guess it doesn't really matter but I would have liked to save it for the sake of prosperity. I can probably remember it to be fair but don't trust my memory.
You can find the current (old) contact details in the PPH upload in the resources section.
 
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DontGiveAshiit

Student
Nov 1, 2020
135
Might be totally not related but I think the reason D change address is because the current one is too "giveaway" ? I would definitely choose something more low profile
 
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Zaz

Member
Oct 12, 2021
33
Can someone send me the new email of D please ? My situation is going downhill. Can't wait any longer. I need to order in this weekend.
 
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boc

Experienced
May 19, 2021
252
Might be totally not related but I think the reason D change address is because the current one is too "giveaway" ? I would definitely choose something more low profile
He also probably changes it from time to time just to avoid detection.
 
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DontGiveAshiit

Student
Nov 1, 2020
135
He also probably changes it from time to time just to avoid detection.
ye might be a reason too, althugh it is also a way for losing some clients i think, since not everybody will be able to track those changes.
 
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RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
2,178
Update: it appears D confirmed to someone he will close his ctemplar account in 5 days. Nothing is known for the moment about his protonmail account.

If this is true, it means he will not be reachable on his old contact details anymore soon. I just talked to @RainAndSadness about it and she will attempt to upload the new PPH version with the updated contact details over the next few days.

Negative. I just wanted to get to work but lost access to the PPH for no reason out of nowhere. Odd...

The consequences of these very sudden developments is that I'm unable to copy the PPH for now. Sorry people. But I doubt this is a technical issue. So if there is nobody else filling my place, that's the end of the PPH updates for the foreseeable future. I'm dissapointed that I'm unable to deliver better news but that's the situation for now.
 
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disabledlife

Arcanist
Jun 5, 2020
435
I think we will have to create a competitor of PPH, a kind of Wikipedia, and just update the contacts for N, SN, etc.

I think that if several members of this forum have PPH, together we can make a free and reliable competitor to PPH and to Exit, which eventually became a real VIP prison door, where only people over 50 years old or having certain illnesses, can borrow it, with photo and identity document required. Friends by working together to reconstitute the competition, Exit will no longer be able to identify people who have shared BTC modes and contacts who are, by nature, general public, not subject to copyright. No law prohibits creating competition with databases from the public domain!

Unless I'm mistaken, CTB's methods are not subject to copyright, let alone patents for inventions!

Unless I am wrong, the contacts for N, SN, etc., are not the property of Exit!

You have to know how to completely do without the dependence of a single entity, as here, Exit International, and know how to cross various sources to extinguish the reliability of the information to create free competition from PPH, and to cite, of course, the sources.

This forum has "resource" threads, making it a reliable Wiki could help people at CTB, voluntarily disappear if it is an alternative that can avoid CTB, or clawback for people who want support and hope to live, without quitting. 'we put pressure on them, freedom above all! Each one has his existence as he wants, and as proof that our body belongs to us, only ourselves suffers, never the others, who can not be satisfied to help in case of distress, if they want to help of course.

Good luck everyone. I kiss you. Thank you for the existence of this forum which I wish lasting.
 
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Smart No More

Visionary
May 5, 2021
2,726
Seems like a mix of business and legal precautions are the reason for the exclusivity with pph. I can understand the latter but I'm not fond of the apparent business model side of things. Dor what it's worth, you can get access to the pph through exit even if you're under 50. As long as you're of a reasonable age and have id to prove it you can negotiate from a logical stand point. That is to say that if you have health issue that genuine impact your quality of life they will consider accepting your application as a spwcial circumstance. Unfortunately if your health issues are of a psychological /MH nature they won't give access.

What isn't great is that they take payment and then ask questions and if you've paid in crypto then your refund isn't going to happen very quickly if at all. I would suggest first of all contacting them with a query detailing a brief explanation of your individual situation. They will then probably prompt you to apply for the pph. This is how I've heard it go for a few people. They still asked questions after putting the payment through and some people had to stick to their guns to finally get the access they paid for. I think they're worried about pro lifers etc. So if you make it clear that you were prompted to put the order through by exit after your first query that will go in your favour ans hopefully avoid extra scrutiny. They can't refuse access after that really as long as you can provide the picture with ID. They shouldn't really accept payment without being certain they will honour the sale but it appears they have with many people so you really need to spell it out for them to avoid hiccups. They will probably ask for medical proof too but not everyone has a diagnosis so if this is the case you should make it clear in your first enquiry to them so that they know this is the case. A lot of people have a fast deteriation in their health/quality of life while they're going through the process of getting tests and investigations. It can take years to get a diagnosis and relevant treatment and during that time people fear losing the ability to make a decision and/or take action before sickness takes it away. I would hope that Exit still empathise with this predicament.

So yeah, taking all that into consideration it's not impossible to gain access to pph if you're sick but under 50. There are just a few hoops and hurdles to jump through and navigate. Unfortunate though it is!

Some of the blame has to be aimed at the state of society at large and their sensitivity to the matter. It creates a legal minefield and you can see a lot of legal flags in the wording and tactics surrounding the purchase of the PPH. It's clear they have a lot of legal advice and act on it. It does definitely seem like a bit of a convenient justification for the business model side of things though. It's unfortunate.
 
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FromGermany

Specialist
Oct 23, 2021
336
The consequences of these very sudden developments is that I'm unable to copy the PPH for now. Sorry people. But I doubt this is a technical issue.

It's not about that. They put some barely visible unique code on random pages now, so they can identify and ban people who share their book.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...new-contact-details-for-d.76628/#post-1377729

Perhaps this is the reason.
 
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RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
2,178
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...new-contact-details-for-d.76628/#post-1377729

Perhaps this is the reason.

I didn't update the PPH since August. The code didn't exist back then. And I found out about that code immediately, that's why HopelessFight knows about it.
 
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HopelessFight

Warlock
Jan 31, 2021
740
I didn't update the PPH since August. The code didn't exist back then. And I found out about that code immediately, that's why HopelessFight knows about it.

For people's information, I'm discussing this issue with Rain in private at the moment, hopefully finding a solution so the community keeps their access to reliable N sources. That's all I can say about it for the time being.
 
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Amumu

Ctb - temporary solution for a permanent problem
Aug 29, 2020
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For people's information, I'm discussing this issue with Rain in private at the moment, hopefully finding a solution so the community keeps their access to reliable N sources. That's all I can say about it for the time being.

Thanks for your great work, you can ask other people's help as well. Keep us informed.

Take care,

Amumu
 
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Death is beautiful

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May 20, 2021
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For people's information, I'm discussing this issue with Rain in private at the moment, hopefully finding a solution so the community keeps their access to reliable N sources. That's all I can say about it for the time being.
nothing new?
 
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HopelessFight

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Jan 31, 2021
740
nothing new?

I'm sorry, but for the time being I am unable to post any updates about the PPH and so does Rain. A lot has been going on behind the scenes, but for now I do not think it's a good idea to comment about it in public.
 
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DontGiveAshiit

Student
Nov 1, 2020
135
Hey, I just wanted to update here, since I know people are concern about D and getting N.
I contacted him about a week ago, with the details from the Aug PPeH, continued to purchased from him - paid with bitcoin, and got the package pretty fast, everything went well. So he is still legit and the address is good.

Im really relieved I did this before things getting more complicated now. But anyway, I hope we can work out those issues and keep having updates.
 
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