Discussion patient in vegetative state is kept alive against his will after suicide attempt

[lost_soul83]

Look at her!

If that was my son, I'd do whatever I could to help him die in peace.....I just wanna beat that woman for torturing her son!

 

[bigj75]

Well since humans are emotional beings there isn't much chance of it happening really. I'd be surprised if it were even fully accepted in a few hundreds of years, let alone our lifetime. Even most of the very few places that have assisted suicide are so restrictive that it's useless for all but terminal patients in their last days. Most people just are not going to accept it's a valid choice for anyone else. That's why I don't worry about "awareness" and "activism" as it's a waste of energy. "Should" doesn't happen. The best you can do is try and find a way to live...or make sure that if you cannot you actually die. It's entirely unrealistic to expect others not in these shoes to be ok with it and help.

Tell that to how shit used to be. Spartans, romans, aztec, etc back in history it was better to die than cause a burden on others. Wasnt any of that well people are emotional so keep everyone alive no matter their physical or mental state. You lived and if you couldn't live you died and willingly died at that because you knew logically its better to keep your dignity as a warrior and to not slow everyone else down.

 

[bigj75]

If that was my son, I'd do whatever I could to help him die in peace.....I just wanna beat that woman for torturing her son!

Reminds me of million dollar baby. Some people hated that movie because of this scene but i respected the hell out of it.

 

[bigj75]

I think you are romanticizing the past and it wasn't quite like you think. Real life isn't a hero movie and things like throwing disabled babies off a cliff doesn't makes them somehow more enlightened or "better". Same sort of thing happens with tales of Samurai culture etc acting like everyone was stabbing themselves and so "honorable". Real life is usually a lot more complicated.

Ofcourse it's more complicated than that but it was real. Not exactly like the movies or anything but you cant deny people are way more softer and emotional than they used to be. Which results in the shit you see in the op.

 

[bigj75]

I just don't agree that it's "soft modern people" causing behavior like the mother. I think situations like this happened back then too. I do deny people are more emotional now. Humans haven't changed all the much in all the many thousands of years we have existed. Little taller, little less hairy, but the same basic thing. Same general lifespans, same sort of cultural phenomenon repeated over and over, same problems at home and in society. Nostalgic ideas aren't generally accurate. My dad for example loves to watch Gunsmoke and such shows, thinks John Wayne is what a "real man" is like and everyone today are "pussies" etc. It wasn't anything like Gunsmoke back then and John Wayne was an alcoholic wife beater and play acting, but my dad still has this firm belief it was "better" then. But if he lived back then he would be bitching about the same things (well maybe not his iphone problems at least) and saying people in the 1700s were tougher and modern people were lame and weak and soft.

Some things were better back then and some things weren't. But im done commenting on this thread. I appreciate your comments though.

 

[wiIIow]

this shit is my biggest fear. what absolute torture that would be. poor dude

 

[GeorgeEastman]

This is not as big a deterrent to me as it once was.

Vegetative state is about like being dead. If the dumbasses in charge are stupid enough to run tubes through me to keep me technically living but I don't really know or care about it, then well, I won't really know or care about it.

Sounds like vegetative is better than flat out sober like now. I often consider just walking into the hospital and saying I want to kill myself. Either give me a bunch of damn sedation or I'm jamming this knife in me right now.

 

[Jupiter]

The picture with her smiling into the camera makes me really angry.
But there are different stories as well. Like the one of Brigitte R. Her son Ricardo had an accident with his bike and was severely injured. Blinking with his eyes was his only way to communicate afterwards. In that way he expressed multiple times towards his mother that he wants to die. Heartbroken she eventually agreed and overdosed both him and herself with drugs. After three days they were found. Ricardo was deceased and his mother was in a coma. They have taken her to the Charité clinic in Berlin where she regained consciousness after another three days. She was convicted of killing by request (don't know the proper judicial term) without facing imprisonment. The judge stated that surviving and living her life is punishment enough.

 

[bigj75]

The picture with her smiling into the camera makes me really angry.
But there are different stories as well. Like the one of Brigitte R. Her son Ricardo had an accident with his bike and was severely injured. Blinking with his eyes was his only way to communicate afterwards. In that way he expressed multiple times towards his mother that he wants to die. Heartbroken she eventually agreed and overdosed both him and herself with drugs. After three days they were found. Ricardo was deceased and his mother was in a coma. They have taken her to the Charité clinic in Berlin where she regained consciousness after another three days. She was convicted of killing by request (don't know the proper judicial term) without facing imprisonment. The judge stated that surviving and living her life is punishment enough.

Dude that's the most horrorfying shit I've heard.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

That's why I'm going to make it clear in my note that I don't want to live as a vegetable in case something went wrong.
His mother is a fucking monster.

I need two witnesses to sign my living will. Have nobody to ask for that. I guess I'll just leave it as it is now, but I'm sure no doctor would pay attention to it. I just hope I don't fail.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

I just don't agree that it's "soft modern people" causing behavior like the mother. I think situations like this happened back then too. I do deny people are more emotional now. Humans haven't changed all the much in all the many thousands of years we have existed. Little taller, little less hairy, but the same basic thing. Same general lifespans, same sort of cultural phenomenon repeated over and over, same problems at home and in society. Nostalgic ideas aren't generally accurate. My dad for example loves to watch Gunsmoke and such shows, thinks John Wayne is what a "real man" is like and everyone today are "pussies" etc. It wasn't anything like Gunsmoke back then and John Wayne was an alcoholic wife beater and play acting, but my dad still has this firm belief it was "better" then. But if he lived back then he would be bitching about the same things (well maybe not his iphone problems at least) and saying people in the 1700s were tougher and modern people were lame and weak and soft.

Yeah. Your comment reminded me of W. Allen's 'Midnight in Paris'.

 

[Taylored]

Absolutely horrifying to be kept like that.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

Are you an adult?

Yeah, pretty much.

Just tell them you might have some surgery and wanted to get your affairs in order...or that you had a family member who didn't have one and it was difficult so you want to avoid that if something happens to you etc.

Thanks a lot for the advice :). Didn't know the Chaplain's office could help you with that.

 

[Hopeless_soul]

It's not always them...but the hospitals in my region usually have Pastoral Services or Chaplain's do it. Sometimes there is a Patient Advocate office etc. I'd just call the main number and ask who helps fill them out.

Cheers :)

 

[Jupiter]

Dude that's the most horrorfying shit I've heard.

I think it was brave and courageous of her to act like that.

 

[bigj75]

I think it was brave and courageous of her to act like that.

Yes to take matters into her own hands i respect but horrified she was left in her condition.

 

[Jupiter]

Yes to take matters into her own hands i respect but horrified she was left in her condition.

Yes, true.

 

[Zzzzz]

This is why we need robust euthanasia legislation, so this man can blink himself towards the death he wants. In a manner his mother can't interfere with. This is so many levels of wrong.

Exactly. If someone can express their wishes for their own death, we should respect those wishes.

 

[lululoo]

This is so horrifying. I just heard about this story elsewhere and had to search to see if it was discussed here.
I know someone who was "locked-in" (totally conscious but paralyzed except able to communicate with eye movement) for a period of months. She definitely wanted to die throughout it and said she'd rather die than go through it again. As in, a non-depressed person would rather die than put up with this for three months. And this poor depressed boy is being forced to go through this indefinitely. I actually can't even bear this. I wish someone was working on his behalf to put him out of his misery.

 

[bigj75]

This is so horrifying. I just heard about this story elsewhere and had to search to see if it was discussed here.
I know someone who was "locked-in" (totally conscious but paralyzed except able to communicate with eye movement) for a period of months. She definitely wanted to die throughout it and said she'd rather die than go through it again. As in, a non-depressed person would rather die than put up with this for three months. And this poor depressed boy is being forced to go through this indefinitely. I actually can't even bear this. I wish someone was working on his behalf to put him out of his misery.

Yae that's why you gotta take matters into your own hands. People are selfish and rather make money off you suffering in a hospital bed. The world is fucked.

 

[Toenditall]

Additionally those chefs are under high pressure and stress.

yes we are i wish i never became a chef i have no friends no social life nothing just a so called life in the kitchen

 

[Sick Boy]

I found this on the web about people in vegetative state,thank god he wont be living for too long

Persistent vegetative state life expectancy
Life expectancy in the persistent VS. Early research8 suggested that life expectancy in this condition was 2-5 years, with survival for 10 years being uncommon. More recent work suggests a somewhat better prognosis for survival.

 

[lululoo]

I found this on the web about people in vegetative state,thank god he wont be living for too long

Persistent vegetative state life expectancy
Life expectancy in the persistent VS. Early research8 suggested that life expectancy in this condition was 2-5 years, with survival for 10 years being uncommon. More recent work suggests a somewhat better prognosis for survival.

But he's not in a vegetative state. That was a mistake in the article. He is aware.

 

[Meretlein]

I can't imagine the hell he is in right now. His mom needs to learn to let go.

 

[snowman626]

human society is so backwards and evil. animals in nature dont have to deal with this bullshit, if they get injuries like this they'll naturally die off quickly due to starvation or being eaten by other animals. only humans have to be FORCED to suffer like this by these pro life dumb fucks who thinks not existing on this planet is the worst thing that can ever happen. and that stupid idiot mother has a smile on her face as if saying "thank god at least he's still alive!" probably thinks god intervened and that it's a MIRACLE!

 

[Thisisme373]

This makes me so angry & sad at the same time.

 

[Psilo]

Disgusting, inhuman...

 

[CTB-London]

One way to avoid this is to write a living will / advance directive and file it on your medical records (rather than have family hold it).

 

[Cookiedough8956]

This is awful! What is the point of keeping him alive?? So what! you don't have to cry yourself to sleep?? And they say that people who commit suicide is incredibly selfish.
Just let that poor man go! He doesn't deserve this hell after all he endured for him to even consider suicide.
When I go, I'm def gonna leave a note , "just kill me , pull the plug, whatever it may be"

 

[Soon4me]

this is evil and scares me a lot

What a nightmare.It's truly awful.