partial hanging is statistically more successful than full suspension... just check these official numbers

[SufferingInDenmark]

i'm not saying full suspension is worse than partial, obviously not.
but read these official statistics, from a real dot gov site.
very informative site with tons of info:

"Types of hanging

Complete hanging was seen in 40 cases (16.4%)—30 men and 10 women—and partial (incomplete) hanging in 204 cases (83.6%)—167 men and 37 women."

Hanging Fatalities in Central Bangkok, Thailand: A 13-Year Retrospective Study - PMC

Hanging is violent asphyxial death. The objective of this study is to assess the data of hanging cases. A descriptive-retrospective study was conducted. We studied 244 hanging cases autopsied in Forensic Division, Department of Pathology, Faculty of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Haibane-renmei-reki]

big if true

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I think it's just that more people try partial that is why the number is higher. You would have to know the percentage of failures based on attempts to be able to see how successful partial is.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

I think it's just that more people try partial that is why the number is higher. You would have to know the percentage of failures based on attempts to be able to see how successful partial is.

yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying

 

[quietwoods]

There's no data on failures or total hanging attempts in the paper I could find. All this really tells us is that partial hanging is more popular as a total share of the ~6500 deaths surveyed.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

big if true

big what if true? did you accidentally leave out a word there

There's no data on failures or total hanging attempts in the paper I could find. All this really tells us is that partial hanging is more popular as a total share of the ~6300 deaths surveyed.

yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying :)

 

[Haibane-renmei-reki]

i meant it would be a big thing or realization if your claim is accurate

yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying :)

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

The offical numbers in the paper pretty much only show that more people do partial hanging than full suspension. the whole study tooks Fatalites as a whole so in both 40 cases (full) and 204 (partial) the sucess rate was 100%. Even in the executions the choice of method was not based on fatality rate but on the message it was supossed to send. Partials in offical executions were done out of humanitarian reasons (same as long drops).

 

[quietwoods]

big what if true? did you accidentally leave out a word there

yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying :)

You're title strongly implies a very different assertion.

Be beneficial next time to more accurately describe what the paper is saying and the actual conclusion you drew.

Current title is rather click-baity

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

The offical numbers in the paper pretty much only show that more people do partial hanging than full suspension.

yeah as i already typed to two others now, i will copy paste it:
yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying :)

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

Current title is rather click-baity

Yeah it is pretty much a clickbait but not out of malicous reasons

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

You're title strongly implies a very different assertion.

meh whatever... i say in the post that "i'm not saying full suspension is worse than partial, obviously not."
as literally the first line, so...

Current title is rather click-baity

oh and i even used the word statistically, so absolutely not click bait

 

[Ch4in3dcr0w]

yeah as i already typed to two others now, i will copy paste it:
yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying :)

Even SN or a firearm CTB can fail if done incorrectly just because something is done incorrectly doesnt mean its not as lethal thats why i put offical hangings as an example. Failures of a certain method because of the mistake by the user does not equal lethality of the method

 

[quietwoods]

Yeah it is pretty much a clickbait but not out of malicous reasons

Hopefully.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Even SN or a firearm CTB can fail if done incorrectly just because something is done incorrectly doesnt mean its not as lethal thats why i put offical hangings as an example. Failures of a certain method because of the mistake by the user does not equal lethality of the method

just enjoy the informative study

 

[quietwoods]

meh whatever... i say in the post that "i'm not saying full suspension is worse than partial, obviously not."
as literally the first line, so...

oh and i even used the word statistically, so absolutely not click bait

I'm so confused as what you're even trying to argue at this point

 

[EternalShore]

That doesn't count the number of partial compared to full suspension attempts~ if 99.9% of people attempt partial, then partial is still not very effective (as we have seen through the numerous failures here [including my own~ >_<])~
However, in the same manner, the attempts of SS users are not a random population and can not be extrapolated to apply for all people~ that isn't to say that if you're an SS user, you will fail partial, since that's causation where there probably is none~ but that well, if you're an SS who announces that they're going to die via partial, you will statistically more than likely fail~
I think there was some study on the most effective methods and their % chances of success, but idk where it's at~ >_<
Thank you high school stats class and congrats on teacher of the year, my 12th grade math teacher~ xD

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying

I think if you do it right it's pretty successful. I can think of 3 famous people that died from partial. Robin Williams, Kate Spade & Wren Scott.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

just enjoy the fucking study, gosh... stop being caught up on technicalities.
i won't comment anymore

I think if you do it right it's pretty successful. I can think of 3 famous people that died from partial. Robin Williams, Kate Spade & Wren Scott.

yes

 

[quietwoods]

just enjoy the fucking study, gosh... stop being caught up on technicalities.

No one is caught up on technicalities.

Everyone is confused by you making claims not supported by the actual study and then flip-flopping your story multiple times.

If you want to discuss and share a study, just do that next time without the random unsupported claims.

 

[AreWeWinning]

yeah as i already typed to two others now, i will copy paste it:
yes. but the big notion on here, i've noticed, is that partial fails pretty much everytime... and that's just not the impression i get from those statistics,
that's all i'm saying :)

Partial is not more effective than full suspension. As others have already pointed out, we don't know how many attempts there are in the first place. The number of cases in itself can't be used for determining effectiveness.

Partial can still be highly effective, though. The reason you get the impression that partial fails all the time is that those who fail or keep failing at it do post and keep posting, while those who succeed with it don't.

 

[JesiBel]

Attempting more Partial than Full does not make it more effective.. they only talk about the preference of each deceased.

244 corpses, yeah, all dead = effective

40 preferred Full = all dead
204 preferred Partial = all dead

The forum cases speak for themselves with the failed attempts.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Interestingly 167 of 244 were found in a standing position and only 40 of 244 hanged completely. So the complete hanged are counted to the standing position. That reminds me of the fact, that many hangings that were planned as full hangings end with the feet touching the ground, because the victim did not took into account the drop of at least 20 cm caused by the reduction of the neck diameter.

As mentioned above, this study tells nothing about the success rate of both variants.

 

[Eriktf]

"Most victims (167 [68.4%]) of hanging were found in the standing position, followed by sitting (53 [21.7%]), kneeling (10 [4%]), and lying (4 [1.6%]). In both men and women, the position most found was standing in 133 and 34 cases, respectively, followed by sitting in 44 and 9 cases, respectively. Position in men and women did not differ massively."

i would think what position they are found in most often are the bast way to do it

interesting too se that only 4.5% of male and 1.6% of female left a note

neck injury are a lot less on Partial so its safer to fail with Partial

looks like people are doing it mostly sober that might indicate higher success rate if sober

 

[EmptyBottle]

Quite ironic how "partial" is more deadly than "full". (Ofc, partial suspension is different from partially completed, tho that fact took some reading of SaSu to become obvious to me)