_Minsk
death: the cure for life
- Dec 9, 2019
- 1,109
Does anyone else also feel like the amount of pain just rises, while the amount of pleasure just keeps on decreasing? I wonder how people would not consider ctb in this type of state
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ecmnesia
the only thing humans are equal in is death
- Aug 30, 2020
- 767
i guess.
i don't really know what is like to not be 'abnormal' as non-suicidal folks would say, so i wouldn't risk an answer. but i sure do envy them.
i don't really know what is like to not be 'abnormal' as non-suicidal folks would say, so i wouldn't risk an answer. but i sure do envy them.
sadworld
existence is a nightmare
- Aug 25, 2020
- 3,870
I feel you. I actually ask myself the same thing. Hugs to you Minski
demuic
Life was a mistake
- Sep 12, 2020
- 1,383
Yes, I think that's how life fundamentally works. Like, eventually you usually grow tired/bored of the things you used to like, or they change, go away, are no longer available in the way they used to be, etc.. that's why there's so much reminiscing about the way things used to be, or nostalgia about good times, because those are the things that are fleeting, and then as you get older things only get worse, health problems, people dying, growing apart, etc...
SmellyRat
Arcanist
- Nov 5, 2018
- 479
Pleasure is just natures carrot that is tangled before us to keep us going
Silver
The 21st century is when everything changes
- Aug 8, 2020
- 745
Relatable to meDoes anyone else also feel like the amount of pain just rises, while the amount of pleasure just keeps on decreasing? I wonder how people would not consider ctb in this type of state
I enjoy hardly anything now.
Superdeterminist
Enlightened
- Apr 5, 2020
- 1,877
It's absolutely does feel like there's an asymmetry between pain and pleasure. Pain just seems more bad than pleasure seems good.
I find philosopher David Benatar's thought experiment to be very telling: the vast majority, if not all of us, would never accept receiving two minutes of the worst pain in order to then receive two minutes of the greatest pleasure.
Benatar is an avowed antinatalist which I'm not. I think that introducing a right to die is a better solution to this asymmetry than trying to stop all humans from procreating.
I find philosopher David Benatar's thought experiment to be very telling: the vast majority, if not all of us, would never accept receiving two minutes of the worst pain in order to then receive two minutes of the greatest pleasure.
Benatar is an avowed antinatalist which I'm not. I think that introducing a right to die is a better solution to this asymmetry than trying to stop all humans from procreating.
profoundexperience
You can feel the punishment but you cant commit ts
- Jun 29, 2020
- 436
This sounds like "anhedonia", a symptom of major depression.
Yes.
Another aspect of it... seems to be that most pleasures seem to be about relieving a negative condition back to a "zero state" (as in the pleasures of satisfying hunger, quenching thirst, or scratching an itch... perhaps even sex relieving horniness = all are about correcting a "negative state").
So, maybe many pleasures AREN'T really the "positive things" they appear to be...?
Pleasure isn't long and its painful when it ends. Life is absurd and unbalanced.
profoundexperience
You can feel the punishment but you cant commit ts
- Jun 29, 2020
- 436
From the perspective of an individual = yes.
But, from an evolutionary perspective (pleasures being short and pains being long) does "make sense": An organism is "best suited for survival" if it uses it's energy most efficiently... so, the optimal amount of pleasure is the minimum necessary to get the organism to do something "rewarding" (for survival of the individual OR its genes).
Whereas it's optimal for an organism to feel pain as long as the bad condition persists (which, of course is exacerbated by the capabilities of the human mind).
So... we're forked by design.
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Despondent
Archangel
- Dec 20, 2019
- 6,777
Hugs :(
This does happen, but not as much as it used to for me because of numbness
This does happen, but not as much as it used to for me because of numbness
My pleasure has completely faded and the only thing I ever feel is pain and suffering. In five years there hasn't been one moment that I have felt any type of pleasure. It's unbearable to say the least.
It's fluctuates for me. But I lack a base to cultivate pleasure, every time I progress, I fall back
Its important to notice that this design is faulty and inconsistent. The mechanism of pain isn't necessary for motivation. Also everyone has different pain vs pleasure ratio. If the brain reward system is damaged or affected, different results would happen and none of them are optimal. Anhedonia happens when the brain reward system is damaged. Also chronic pain or mania could happen when the pain and pleasure functions aren't working properly. So its basically a mess.
