Overpopulation is the cause of all evil that afflicts us

[NormaJeane]

Overpopulation is the cause of all the evil that afflicts us. That is why we are alone. That is why we have to die aloe. That is why we have queues. That is why we have bullying and divorces. That is why we are here. That is why we have war and conflicts. That is why infectious diseases are a problem.

 

[marinekiwi]

It is indeed a problem. Humans are the real plague of this planet.

 

[FuneralCry]

I see it as a curse to be born in the first place. The problem is that the life expectancy is too long and the society expects us to suffer for decades, of course there should be an option of euthanasia.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

The selfishness of human beings is probably one of the biggest factors and what lead to overpopulation in the first place. People who have no business having/raising children keep popping them out like nothing. There's also too much luck and bullshit that determine peoples' fate in this world

 

[Darkover]

the elite went for quantity over quality, think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
there are far too many old people there are more elderly people than young, The sharp decline in global fertility rates may lead to a demographic time bomb, For the first time, there are more elderly people than young children ... there are insufficient children there to maintain population size,
That's because women worldwide are having fewer children. In 1950, the average number of kids a woman had was 4.7. By 2017, it was 2.4. By 2100, the study authors predict, it will fall below 1.7. And once women have fewer than 2.1 babies each, the population on the whole declines. the uk fertility rate currently stands at 1.65 births per woman.

 

[HiImPaul]

Overpopulation is the cause of all the evil that afflicts us. That is why we are alone. That is why we have to die aloe. That is why we have queues. That is why we have bullying and divorces. That is why we are here. That is why we have war and conflicts. That is why infectious diseases are a problem.

I wouldn't say ALL. I'd still have my mental illness even if the world population was 1/10th of what it is today. But it definitely contributes a lot to the suffering many experience.

 

[Insomniac]

Overpopulation is the cause of all the evil that afflicts us.

overconsumption is.

 

[ascetic_]

I think it's more our evil nature, than anything.

 

[Insomniac]

I think it's more our evil nature, than anything.

If people beyond 65yo disappeared, the world would be a better place. they're just a waste of ressources

what's the point of living if you're old. People who are trying to extend human life are beyond retarded.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

If people beyond 65yo disappeared, the world would be a better place. they're just a waste of ressources

what's the point of living if you're old. People who are trying to extend human life are beyond retarded.

There are plenty of people that age that are still happy and healthy, and good people. I wouldn't say all of them disappearing would make this world a better place. Yeah resource wise it would help but I don't agree with this take. Some people actually enjoy living

 

[ascetic_]

If people beyond 65yo disappeared, the world would be a better place. they're just a waste of ressources

what's the point of living if you're old. People who are trying to extend human life are beyond retarded.

Yeah, I doubt that.

Either way, everyone has the right to live, if they choose to. What most people here are fighting for is the right to die (with dignity).

 

[NormaJeane]

The best people can do in this overpopulation is to not have children!

 

[TheHatedOne]

While I agree that overpopulation makes everything shittier and competition is the norm even for such a needed thing like a job, traffic jams and houses and blocks of flats everywhere, I don't think the world would be better if we were less. Bullying, divorces and wars will always happen no matter population number. They happened when we were thousands overall, when we were millions and now billions. Humans are the core problem.

 

[chocolatebar]

I would agree with you if you consider any population size greater than 0 to be overpopulated

 

[Insomniac]

Yeah, I doubt that.

Either way, everyone has the right to live, if they choose to. What most people here are fighting for is the right to die (with dignity).

being an anti-aging makes more sense to me than being an antinatalist.

I don't get why people in the news get excited when they hear that humans might be able to reach 120yo.

there's a reason why villains in stories are the ones after immortality.

For example, millenials in China chose to not have children so that they can take care of their aging parents. Since they can't afford both, children and aging parents.

but boomers had no issues sacrificing younger generations.

 

[NormaJeane]

It is indeed a problem. Humans are the real plague of this planet.

Man is the worst predator on this planet.

 

[blueclover_.]

The pain receptor in the human brain is the cause of all pain in the first place.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

If people beyond 65yo disappeared, the world would be a better place. they're just a waste of ressources

what's the point of living if you're old. People who are trying to extend human life are beyond retarded.

You are right, I am 66 and I am working on.

The best people can do in this overpopulation is to not have children!

Not more than two children would do. There is generally an inverse correlation between income and the total fertility rate within and between nations. It is called demographic-economic paradox. If this is true, not overpopulation but dying out will be our problem in the long term.

Not predators but do-gooders are the problem. Corona offered a chance thought it is by far not lethal enough.

During most time of our evolution we lived in small groups where everybody knows everybody. We are not made for a mass society. Overpopulation came so quick that our brains could not adapt.

 

[Death is beautiful]

Finally you're back, I thought you were ctb, you haven't been online for more than a month, has something happened? failed attempt?

 

[Pluto]

Overpopulation is definitely a huge issue, but one that is largely ignored by the majority of people since it takes a great deal of care to approach it effectively.

Thomas Robert Malthus raised concerns about overpopulation in the late 18th century, proposing a theory that humans have a tendency to always overpopulate a given area, thus famines are unavoidable. The theory is largely dismissed today given that agricultural improvements have enabled us to increase the population by several times since then, with less famine than ever. However, I would argue that it is simply taking longer to come to fruition, not to mention the fact that human population growth has come directly at the cost of a mass extinction event (the Holocene extinction).

From the '50s, John B. Calhoun proposed a newer theory called the Behavioural Sink, demonstrating a link between antisocial behaviour and overcrowding via experiments on rats. As someone who is a professional driver, I can attest that human behaviour ranges from waving politely at strangers in remote rural areas to feral narcissism in the big city peak hour.

One challenge in dealing with overpopulation is that the same people who support anti-natalist views are the same ones who actually care about issues of consumption, ecology and ethics. Others (including the highly uneducated, religious zealots, drug addicts) do not give a damn and will breed freely. This in turn breeds out thoughtful and caring people and lowers the standard of human behaviour further.

The second issue is that the nature of questions of overpopulation reduces humans to mere numbers, and can easily give rise to racism, 'eugenics', support of mass murder and other dangerous philosophies. It attracts extremists like moth to a flame and causes more balanced people to avoid the topic outright.

I don't have the answers, just adding some food for thought.

 

[again_noidea]

Overpopulation is definitely a huge issue, but one that is largely ignored by the majority of people since it takes a great deal of care to approach it effectively.

Thomas Robert Malthus raised concerns about overpopulation in the late 18th century, proposing a theory that humans have a tendency to always overpopulate a given area, thus famines are unavoidable. The theory is largely dismissed today given that agricultural improvements have enabled us to increase the population by several times since then, with less famine than ever. However, I would argue that it is simply taking longer to come to fruition, not to mention the fact that human population growth has come directly at the cost of a mass extinction event (the Holocene extinction).

From the '50s, John B. Calhoun proposed a newer theory called the Behavioural Sink, demonstrating a link between antisocial behaviour and overcrowding via experiments on rats. As someone who is a professional driver, I can attest that human behaviour ranges from waving politely at strangers in remote rural areas to feral narcissism in the big city peak hour.

One challenge in dealing with overpopulation is that the same people who support anti-natalist views are the same ones who actually care about issues of consumption, ecology and ethics. Others (including the highly uneducated, religious zealots, drug addicts) do not give a damn and will breed freely. This in turn breeds out thoughtful and caring people and lowers the standard of human behaviour further.

The second issue is that the nature of questions of overpopulation reduces humans to mere numbers, and can easily give rise to racism, 'eugenics', support of mass murder and other dangerous philosophies. It attracts extremists like moth to a flame and causes more balanced people to avoid the topic outright.

I don't have the answers, just adding some food for thought.

Yes, this is the dynamics of humanity these days, at least for now, unless a great even takes place killing lots of random people. Ah, you forgot one problem, that the antisocial people can life mostly undetected and unpunished in a mass society, because they can hop from one social niche to the next. They hop each time they are found out and thus avoid punishment. it doesn't look too good from this perspective.

 

[motel rooms]

Overpopulation is the cause of all the evil that afflicts us. That is why we are alone. That is why we have to die aloe.

We are alone because of overpopulation? I just adore people who think outside the box

 

[Rational man]

Overpopulation is the cause of all the evil that afflicts us. That is why we are alone. That is why we have to die aloe. That is why we have queues. That is why we have bullying and divorces. That is why we are here. That is why we have war and conflicts. That is why infectious diseases are a problem.

You make an interesting point NormaJeane, but I think you oversimplify our current global dilemma. You make no reference to global warming for example !?. At this rate, the whole world will be snuffed out !!

If people beyond 65yo disappeared, the world would be a better place. they're just a waste of ressources

what's the point of living if you're old. People who are trying to extend human life are beyond retarded.

Why 65 ?. Suggest you view the film ' Logans Run ' , Its an old scfi film, but in it, the authorities terminate people at 30!.

 

[motel rooms]

I think you oversimplify our current global dilemma. You make no reference to global warming for example !?.

OP thinks that standing in queues/lines is a bigger problem

 

[deflationary]

One challenge in dealing with overpopulation is that the same people who support anti-natalist views are the same ones who actually care about issues of consumption, ecology and ethics. Others (including the highly uneducated, religious zealots, drug addicts) do not give a damn and will breed freely. This in turn breeds out thoughtful and caring people and lowers the standard of human behaviour further.

Indeed. Decent people take themselves out of the gene pool and the general scumminess of the human population gets maintained. The ugly logic of evolution will make sure things always remain shitty.

 

[RainAndSadness]

How do you measure overpopulation though? I don't think we are overpopulated, it's just that the invidivual lifestyle of people in the industrialised world is a drain on this planet. For example, we need 1.75 earths to provide for all of the ressources that we currently consume. If we all would treat earth a little bit better and if we didn't consume that many ressources on an individual level, there wouldn't be so many issues today. But we all exchange the health of this planet for personal comfort and that's gonna bite us in the ass really soon. In a few hundred years we will face existential threats as a result of climate change. And that's gonna be the end of us.

 

[deflationary]

How do you measure overpopulation though? I don't think we are overpopulated, it's just that the invidivual lifestyle of people in the industrialised world is a drain on this planet.

I think you just can't talk of either population or consumption separately. At our current population level, we're overconsuming and at our current consumption level, we're overpopulated, if we take sustainability as the metric by which to judge.

 

[Rational man]

How do you measure overpopulation though? I don't think we are overpopulated, it's just that the invidivual lifestyle of people in the industrialised world is a drain on this planet. For example, we need 1.75 earths to provide for all of the ressources that we currently consume. If we all would treat earth a little bit better and if we didn't consume that many ressources on an individual level, there wouldn't be so many issues today. But we all exchange the health of this planet for personal comfort and that's gonna bite us in the ass really soon. In a few hundred years we will face existential threats as a result of climate change. And that's gonna be the end of us.

One marker to consider is the availability of resources to serve the global population. China has successfully accommo dated its people enmass, though it pumps out a stinking mess into the atmosphere. Unfortunately, in western countries, for example, the European Union, no one can agree anything. COP26 has been a talking shop of hot air, incorporating the profiteers and globalists. Health care is insufficient to cover the needs of citizens. Humankind and its leaders ( ha ha ) have already dug their own grave. Fortunately for me, Im planning to leave this planet sooner rather than later.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

 

[Insomniac]

Why 65 ?. Suggest you view the film ' Logans Run ' , Its an old scfi film, but in it, the authorities terminate people at 30!.

65 because my dad is 65.

Being terminated at 30 sounds like a privilege.

But I think 50yo would be the perfect age to die. If there are any antinatalists on this website, I suggest you review your philosophy and become an anti-agist instead if you want to solve overpopulation. For the sole reason that children are cuter and more useful than elderlies and their diapers.