Method Overdosing + SN

[Unknown21]

digoxin + amitriptyline +SN, idk if that would help or just will make me vomit more.

Any ideas?

 

[AnonymousL]

I wouldn't take anything more than an AE , SN and an optional Benzo tbh.

More risk at vomiting = more risk at failing

 

[Deleted member 65988]

More risk at vomiting = more risk at failing

Well yeah, vomiting is a life saving mechanism when it comes to this method, its why sometimes those who attempt and vomit immediately have a higher chance of survival than those who don't vomit immediately but after a few mins.

 

[AnonymousL]

Well yeah, vomiting is a life saving mechanism when it comes to this method, its why sometimes those who attempt and vomit immediately have a higher chance of survival than those who don't vomit immediately but after a few mins.

Yes so that's why I wouldn't recommend taking other things as well

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Yes so that's why I wouldn't recommend taking other things as well

Personally, I haven't see any correlation that taking add-ons like Beta-blockers or Painkillers are detrimental to retaining SN after ingestion, an adequate fasting period is pretty much it and any kind of interaction between any such meds should be explored by the individual but I do understand where you are coming from.

 

[Umacon]

I wouldn't take anything more than an AE , SN and an optional Benzo tbh.

More risk at vomiting = more risk at failing

Exactly I would add propranolol though for tachycardia. A guy here today said that he aborted his CTB with SN due his panic from tachycardia.

 

[Argo]

The only method I'd personally combine with SN is something like Nitrogen + Exit bag/Mask or charcoal, but this is only a kind of first intuition and I haven't put any real thought into it. I wouldn't even combine SN with nembutal, like others have said, the concern of vomitting is the problem. 1) No vomit 2) Dose is correct 3) Not found = 4) method works.

Is is that simple.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

The only method I'd personally combine with SN is something like Nitrogen + Exit bag/Mask or charcoal, but this is only a kind of first intuition and I haven't put any real thought into it. I wouldn't even combine SN with nembutal, like others have said, the concern of vomitting is the problem. 1) No vomit 2) Dose is correct 3) Not found = 4) method works.

Is is that simple.

I don't think i would seeing as how inert gas works honestly, plus CO works much the same as SN with how it causes death.

 

[Argo]

I don't think i would seeing as how inert gas works honestly, plus CO works much the same as SN with how it causes death.

It works the same but it doesn't seem to interfere like combining two methods with a vomit risk does. I'm not someone who is fond of the idea of two methods at once( although I've met multiple people who feel it's necessary for their own peace of mind). So I already agree that it seems redundant. I'm just saying "If I were to combine methods, this is what I'd combine"

 

[Deleted member 65988]

It works the same but it doesn't seem to interfere like combining two methods with a vomit risk does. I'm not someone who is fond of the idea of two methods at once( although I've met multiple people who feel it's necessary for their own peace of mind). So I already agree that it seems redundant. I'm just saying "If I were to combine methods, this is what I'd combine"

Fair point honestly, I suppose people never want to leave anything to chance by combining X+Y.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

My personal opinion:

If u have access to amitriptyline and other TCA's then go with them. Imo much more peaceful than SN. Read the PPeH for an ami guide.

 

[Unknown21]

My personal opinion:

If u have access to amitriptyline and other TCA's then go with them. Imo much more peaceful than SN. Read the PPeH for an ami guide.

Sadly i have only access to those 2 meds.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Sadly i have only access to those 2 meds.

The result is cardiac arrest and this is painful/very uncomfortable. You need a long acting benzo (diazepam) and maybe a short acting benzo to fall asleep faster.

Here's the link to the Amitriptyline guide:

Amitriptyline guide

Translation from German "Selbstbestimmt Sterben - Handreichung für einen rationalen Suizid (German Edition) Jessica Düber Amitriptyline guide "Tricyclic antidepressants General info Tricyclic antidepressants are psychotropic drugs with a general mood-lifting...

www.sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Unknown21]

The result is cardiac arrest and this is painful/very uncomfortable. You need a long acting benzo (diazepam) and maybe a short acting benzo to fall asleep faster.

Here's the link to the Amitriptyline guide:

Amitriptyline guide

Translation from German "Selbstbestimmt Sterben - Handreichung für einen rationalen Suizid (German Edition) Jessica Düber Amitriptyline guide "Tricyclic antidepressants General info Tricyclic antidepressants are psychotropic drugs with a general mood-lifting...

www.sanctioned-suicide.net

I was planning to do it but benzos are really hard to come by, propranolol and amitriptyline seem like a really peaceful method, are they more lethal than SN, I remember reading in PPH Its success rate is 6/10 or something like that, while SN is 7\10.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I was planning to do it but benzos are really hard to come by, propranolol and amitriptyline seem like a really peaceful method, are they more lethal than SN, I remember reading in PPH Its success rate is 6/10 or something like that, while SN is 7\10.

is this is the cardiac switch method?

 

[Unknown21]

is this is the cardiac switch method?

No, "Cardiac Switch" is a combination of digoxin and amitriptyline, but this is another method.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Afaik propranolol alone is hard to OD on. I don't know anything about it. Imo yes ami method is more peaceful than SN both substances are very lethal but according to the PPeH SN has more uncertainties. I copied the info from the PPeH 2022 Edition:

is this is the cardiac switch method?

I think this method also needs a lot of benzos or other sedatives to fall unconscious before the meds start working.

 

[AnonymousL]

My personal opinion:

If u have access to amitriptyline and other TCA's then go with them. Imo much more peaceful than SN. Read the PPeH for an ami guide.

Would a Nortriptyline work?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Would a Nortriptyline work?

It's a TCA and therefore can be used to OD on. I don't know how much of it would be needed.

 

[bluegodism]

there's no reason to do that. follow the sn protocol with antiemetics and avoid unnecessary mixing.

 

[Unknown21]

there's no reason to do that. follow the sn protocol with antiemetics and avoid unnecessary mixing.

It's not like I'm trying to add unnecessary mixing, it was mentioned in the pph that amitriptyline - digoxin mix is effective with SN and Increases Its reliability.

there's no reason to do that. follow the sn protocol with antiemetics and avoid unnecessary mixing.

 

[Unknown21]

I don't think amitriptyline method is mentioned in PPH, is it?

Yes, it is mentioned.

 

[Umacon]

Afaik propranolol alone is hard to OD on. I don't know anything about it. Imo yes ami method is more peaceful than SN both substances are very lethal but according to the PPeH SN has more uncertainties. I copied the info from the PPeH 2022 Edition:

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I think this method also needs a lot of benzos or other sedatives to fall unconscious before the meds start working.

In my country amitriptyline comes in 25 mg pills. Then for 10g amitriptyline (the lethal dose as per PPH) someone must use 400 pills. But it seems more peacefull than SN?

 

[Unknown21]

In my country amitriptyline comes in 25 mg pills. Then for 10g amitriptyline (the lethal dose as per PPH) someone must use 400 pills

In my country it's 30 mg, a whole box is 900 mg.

 

[Umacon]

In my country it's 30 mg, a whole box is 900 mg.

You think amitriptyline method is better than SN?

 

[Unknown21]

You think amitriptyline method is better than SN?

Yes, if you have all the necessary supplies, such as amitripline, benzos, and antiemetics.

 

[Umacon]

Yes, if you have all the necessary supplies, such as amitripline, benzos, and antiemetics.

In PPH says that the lethal dose is 10g of amitriptyline. But this is a standard dose regardless how much you weigh? For example someone who weighs 100kg needs the same dose with someone weighs 40 kg? This is a bit strange.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

In my country it's 30 mg, a whole box is 900 mg.

May I ask, is it easily accessible (when u're friendly in the pharmacy ;-) ) or prescription only?

In PPH says that the lethal dose is 10g of amitriptyline. But this is a standard dose regardless how much you weigh? For example someone who weighs 100kg needs the same dose with someone weighs 40 kg? This is a bit strange.

That's a good question. Idk. I think we could estimate that using the LD50 doses for rats and mice (Source Wikipedia) and taking into account that 10g is double the LD50 dose for an avg. weight person (75kg ? )

320 mg/kg (LD50, Rat, oral)
140 mg/kg (LD50, Mouse, oral)

 

[Umacon]

May I ask, is it easily accessible (when u're friendly in the pharmacy ;-) ) or prescription only?

It is easily accessible yes. All antipressants don't require prescription in my country.

That's a good question. Idk. I think we could estimate that using the LD50 doses for rats and mice (Source Wikipedia) and taking into account that 10g is double the LD50 dose for an avg. weight person (75kg ? )

320 mg/kg (LD50, Rat, oral)
140 mg/kg (LD50, Mouse, oral)

Yeah you are right. But even so 10 g is 400 pills . Till now my method is SN but amitriptyline seems to be more peaceful

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Yeah you are right. But even so 10 mg is 400 pills . Till now my method is SN but amitriptyline seems to be more peaceful

400 pills is quite a lot. It's suggested to crush them with mortar and pestle.

Ami is more peaceful (my personal opinion!) bc the benzo OD / diazepam will make you sleep deep / coma before you feel the actual processes of cardiac arrest.

You also take benzos with SN but you feel how SN starts working (aside from possible vomiting) until you pass out bc of the SN effects.