Discussion Overcoming survival instinct by drugs - doing it the clever way?

[Cryptonite]

Hi everyone!

It has happened to me that after many years of fighting and suffering one severe mental illness, I got cured and just a few months after that I became extremely ill and bedridden with another, totally unrelated physical illness.

Given the absurdity of this situation and life in general, I've decided to finally find peace. However, as many of us I struggle with strong survival instinct. It seems like trying to overcome it by usual means would lead to absolutely nowhere, even in 50 years.

That's why I've come accross psychedelic drugs, such as magic mushrooms, DMT, LSD etc. Some of them are known and even scientifically proven to greatly reduce (or even remove altogether) fear of death. Some of them also lead to very helpful clinical death experiences.

Do you guys have any experience with them? Would you say this is an approach that could potentially help? What is your opinion?

Thank you very much.

 

[waitingforrest]

I really don't recommend using drugs to overcome si. I know it can be hard to wait but please don't do it on impulse. Strong Si is annoying but I can mean you don't feel ready to ctb yet. It's been said many times before, but failing can leave you in a worser place than you started.

 

[Cryptonite]

I really don't recommend using drugs to overcome si. I know it can be hard to wait but please don't do it on impulse. Strong Si is annoying but I can mean you don't feel ready to ctb yet. It's been said many times before, but failing can leave you in a worser place than you started.

I know I don't want to do any attempts... I want to make sure that when I do it it will really work...

I feel such a pity that I have to be doing this, because I wanted to live so much, but there is no other way... because my illness is incurable, and what's worse, the chronic pain is progressive, it gets increased every month and there is no end to it... one year from now I will be screaming in pain, I would like to die before that happens

 

[waitingforrest]

I know I don't want to do any attempts... I want to make sure that when I do it it will really work...

I feel such a pity that I have to be doing this, because I wanted to live so much, but there is no other way... because my illness is incurable, and what's worse, the chronic pain is progressive, it gets increased every month and there is no end to it... one year from now I will be screaming in pain, I would like to die before that happens

Each month makes the pain worse. That really horrible that you have to go through all of that. There is a methods resource on here with all types of methods. Some are more lethal or scarier to do. The only method I don't recommend is overdosing on over the counter drugs. Those pills are designed to be safe.

The si you must be feeling is strong, wanting to live but your pain just keeps getting worse and worse. Si is hard to overcome no matter how many reasons you have to ctb. The only way for me to ignore si is Impulsivity and just not caring anymore, or drugs.

I do hope you find what you are looking for, finding the right method is no easy task.

 

[Oblivion Access]

If you're intent on dying, psychedelics can definitely be useful for reducing fear of death but conversely they could make you cling to life and last remnants of hope for things to 'somehow get better'. My psychedelic experiences are somewhat limited, don't think they changed how I feel about death. However, repeated heavy ketamine trips have brought me to near death-like states a fair few times, which has definitely made me a lot less afraid of death given how (rant about we are all one, nobody really dies etc etc). The prospect of dying is still scary, but being dead and therefore liberated from burdens of having a body, as well as all present and future problems is infinitely appealing - we all have to die, I'd just rather expedite it, why wait? I don't see why psychedelics couldn't have similar effects if you go in intending to make peace with death. Given the nature of your condition, tripping might be akin to what cancer patients would experience when tripping - increased acceptance of inevitability.

 

[Cryptonite]

Each month makes the pain worse. That really horrible that you have to go through all of that. There is a methods resource on here with all types of methods. Some are more lethal or scarier to do. The only method I don't recommend is overdosing on over the counter drugs. Those pills are designed to be safe.

The si you must be feeling is strong, wanting to live but your pain just keeps getting worse and worse. Si is hard to overcome no matter how many reasons you have to ctb. The only way for me to ignore si is Impulsivity and just not caring anymore, or drugs.

I do hope you find what you are looking for, finding the right method is no easy task.

Thank you for your compassion and advice. I'm still hoping that certain drugs could at least partially diminish survival instinct... but I don't know where to start. I'm open to anything, psychedelics, other drugs, alcohol, lack of sleep etc., or a combination

 

[Releasefrompressure]

A little benzo could 'take the edge off' same with drinking.

Will being barred out your mind or flatout drunk make you want to go? My opinion no..


You have to be mentally prepared to die. If you have SI sadly my take on it is you don't want to die yet. It may sound harsh. You maybe totally fedup and your pain is fully real but my opinion is you've still not got to the right place mentally to want to go, and drugs won't bridge that gap

 

[waitingforrest]

Thank you for your compassion and advice. I'm still hoping that certain drugs could at least partially diminish survival instinct... but I don't know where to start. I'm open to anything, psychedelics, other drugs, alcohol, lack of sleep etc., or a combination

Yeah, starting is pretty daunting. If you use the search function and type in si, you can find more posts about how other members try to deal with si. Maybe you might find more info on there.

As for me on si, I still have no idea on how to decrease it so I'm not the best person to ask.

 

[Niko66]

I can't imagine using psychedelics for CTB, tripping is scary to me by itself already. Sounds like an awful time to me. Benzos and alcohol seem the obvious ones to reduce anxiety and fear.

 

[Cryptonite]

If you're intent on dying, psychedelics can definitely be useful for reducing fear of death but conversely they could make you cling to life and last remnants of hope for things to 'somehow get better'. My psychedelic experiences are somewhat limited, don't think they changed how I feel about death. However, repeated heavy ketamine trips have brought me to near death-like states a fair few times, which has definitely made me a lot less afraid of death given how (rant about we are all one, nobody really dies etc etc). The prospect of dying is still scary, but being dead and therefore liberated from burdens of having a body, as well as all present and future problems is infinitely appealing - we all have to die, I'd just rather expedite it, why wait? I don't see why psychedelics couldn't have similar effects if you go in intending to make peace with death. Given the nature of your condition, tripping might be akin to what cancer patients would experience when tripping - increased acceptance of inevitability.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Psychedelics might help me with overcoming survival instinct... but the side effects could ruin it all. On one hand, I might feel fearless, on the other hand I might lose any motivation for CTB.

I actually wish my progressive pain would end up in death... but it unfortunately won't.

Do you think it would be possible to CTB while on psychedelics? Maybe if I keep my window opened, or if I leave N on the table?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Yeah, starting is pretty daunting. If you use the search function and type in si, you can find more posts about how other members try to deal with si. Maybe you might find more info on there.

As for me on si, I still have no idea on how to decrease it so I'm not the best person to ask.

Honestly, same.

My SI is the reason I have not ordered the supplies yet.

 

[Cryptonite]

I can't imagine using psychedelics for CTB, tripping is scary to me by itself already. Sounds like an awful time to me. Benzos and alcohol seem the obvious ones to reduce anxiety and fear.

True, tripping feels scary to me too... but also much less scary compared to CTB, and I'm 100% convinced I would eventually bring myself to trying them

 

[Releasefrompressure]

Also for context. I thought I wanted to die 6 months ago. But I still had "SI" as you call it. The reality of my situation worsened and i had a really good analysis of my life and took out the emotion on my decision and this SI went away.. Perhaps something is similar needed for you? I don't want your situation to get worse of course. But my experience of life is people with SI are not ready.


Millions of people attempt per year, they have overcome SI in the large part in my opinion. SI is going to always be there a little but it's the willingness to suppress it by logic and making peace with the decision that makes it ok

 

[Niko66]

True, tripping feels scary to me too... but also much less scary compared to CTB, and I'm 100% convinced I would eventually bring myself to trying them

I mean from experience, I have tried a bit psychedelics recreationally and they often heighten my already high base anxiety and cause anxiety-like physical sensations too like discomfort breathing. This seem to vary a lot from person to person but based on that I just can't imagine using a tripping drug to overcome SI. I imagine it would be overwhelming and unpleasant, at least for me, everyone's got somewhat different reactions but I just wouldn't really ever recommend something like acid or shrooms for this purpose.

 

[Oblivion Access]

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Psychedelics might help me with overcoming survival instinct... but the side effects could ruin it all. On one hand, I might feel fearless, on the other hand I might lose any motivation for CTB.

I actually wish my progressive pain would end up in death... but it unfortunately won't.

Do you think it would be possible to CTB while on psychedelics? Maybe if I keep my window opened, or if I leave N on the table?

I would definitely not attempt on psychedelics, I feel like you're much more likely to be unable to overcome SI and just have a really bad time of thought loops if you do that. If you're not experienced with them at all it might not be a great idea to use them for the purpose of later overcoming SI either, but it all depends on what your mindset and environment is like before/while tripping. I imagine if you had a tripsitter/guide to help you work through your fear of death while under the influence, it could be very beneficial, unfortunately, I'm aware most of us are not so lucky. Psychedelics can have amazing effects but used recklessly (or if you just get unlucky) they can wreak havoc on your mind too, if you're not confident, avoiding them entirely might just be my recommendation. Sorry if it's not too encouraging, but I've been whooped hard for not respecting these drugs, so I'd prefer if others (especially already vulnerable ppl) could be spared it.

 

[Cryptonite]

A little benzo could 'take the edge off' same with drinking.

Will being barred out your mind or flatout drunk make you want to go? My opinion no..


You have to be mentally prepared to die. If you have SI sadly my take on it is you don't want to die yet. It may sound harsh. You maybe totally fedup and your pain is fully real but my opinion is you've still not got to the right place mentally to want to go, and drugs won't bridge that gap

I agree, I still have a lot of work to do in that regard... I still have a mindset "I could be living a beautiful wonderful life, this chronic illness is not happening, surely there is some magic fix..." still in a state of disbelief and rejection of reality

I need to get a mindset "There is no fix, my life is over and there will be nothing but pain", that would definitely bring me closer to being mentally prepared

And yes, being little less fearful still won't make a difference sadly... it needs to be a rather dramatic change

I would definitely not attempt on psychedelics, I feel like you're much more likely to be unable to overcome SI and just have a really bad time of thought loops if you do that. If you're not experienced with them at all it might not be a great idea to use them for the purpose of later overcoming SI either, but it all depends on what your mindset and environment is like before/while tripping. I imagine if you had a tripsitter/guide to help you work through your fear of death while under the influence, it could be very beneficial, unfortunately, I'm aware most of us are not so lucky. Psychedelics can have amazing effects but used recklessly (or if you just get unlucky) they can wreak havoc on your mind too, if you're not confident, avoiding them entirely might just be my recommendation. Sorry if it's not too encouraging, but I've been whooped hard for not respecting these drugs, so I'd prefer if others (especially already vulnerable ppl) could be spared it.

Yeah, it's a pity that there is no 100% drug because everyone has a different reaction. It indeed feels a little discouraging... but there are other psychedelic drugs? Or even a different class of drugs could help better?

I mean from experience, I have tried a bit psychedelics recreationally and they often heighten my already high base anxiety and cause anxiety-like physical sensations too like discomfort breathing. This seem to vary a lot from person to person but based on that I just can't imagine using a tripping drug to overcome SI. I imagine it would be overwhelming and unpleasant, at least for me, everyone's got somewhat different reactions but I just wouldn't really ever recommend something like acid or shrooms for this purpose.

Maybe some other drugs then? DMT, LSD etc.

 

[Niko66]

I agree, I still have a lot of work to do in that regard... I still have a mindset "I could be living a beautiful wonderful life, this chronic illness is not happening, surely there is some magic fix..." still in a state of disbelief and rejection of reality

I need to get a mindset "There is no fix, my life is over and there will be nothing but pain", that would definitely bring me closer to being mentally prepared

And yes, being little less fearful still won't make a difference sadly... it needs to be a rather dramatic change

Yeah, it's a pity that there is no 100% drug because everyone has a different reaction. It indeed feels a little discouraging... but there are other psychedelic drugs? Or even a different class of drugs could help better?

Maybe some other drugs then? DMT, LSD etc.

Sorry I misunderstood your first post, so you want them to help you accept the situation as final not to aid in the very act itself? I don't think psychedelics will make you feel hopeless about life honestly. They are more likely to do the opposite. (I think what you might be thinking of is for example usage of psilocybin in terminal patients to help with acceptance of death, but this is more so acceptance of their situation rather than the drug pushing them towards death, that bit is purely my guess and not empirical)

Is your physical illness untreatable/degenerative/etc in a sense that you know it won't get better?

 

[Cryptonite]

Sorry I misunderstood your first post, so you want them to help you accept the situation as final not to aid in the very act itself? I don't think psychedelics will make you feel hopeless about life honestly. They are more likely to do the opposite. (I think what you might be thinking of is for example usage of psilocybin in terminal patients to help with acceptance of death, but this is more so acceptance of their situation rather than the drug pushing them towards death, that bit is purely my guess and not empirical)

Is your physical illness untreatable/degenerative/etc in a sense that you know it won't get better?

Actually, accepting the situation would also help a lot, but primarily I'm wondering if they could help with overcoming the survival instinct.

The psilocybin study is actually what led me to this idea of psychedelics... I think your guess is probably right, but just as they can help with accepting patients' situation, they could also help with the inevitability of suicide?

Yes, it won't get better, only worse, it is a degenerative spinal illness that affects most of my spine, no surgery, nothing is possible

 

[its-about-time]

A couple nights ago I combined benzos, weed, alcohol, and seroquel (a sedative/anti emetic) in the hopes I'd be chill with making the final move of taking SN. Even with all that in full swing, my heart rate was in the 150's just thinking about drinking the SN. I ended up just falling asleep instead.

Mushrooms might be an interesting experiment. I ate a lot of them over the last week and it certainly put me in a specific headspace, but I was not in a location to ctb so didn't consider it then.

 

[Cryptonite]

A couple nights ago I combined benzos, weed, alcohol, and seroquel (a sedative/anti emetic) in the hopes I'd be chill with making the final move of taking SN. Even with all that in full swing, my heart rate was in the 150's just thinking about drinking the SN. I ended up just falling asleep instead.

Mushrooms might be an interesting experiment. I ate a lot of them over the last week and it certainly put me in a specific headspace, but I was not in a location to ctb so didn't consider it then.

That's where I think the problem might be, "soft" drugs are just not powerful enough to influence anything

I'll definitely give shrooms a try

 

[Oblivion Access]

I agree, I still have a lot of work to do in that regard... I still have a mindset "I could be living a beautiful wonderful life, this chronic illness is not happening, surely there is some magic fix..." still in a state of disbelief and rejection of reality

I need to get a mindset "There is no fix, my life is over and there will be nothing but pain", that would definitely bring me closer to being mentally prepared

And yes, being little less fearful still won't make a difference sadly... it needs to be a rather dramatic change

Yeah, it's a pity that there is no 100% drug because everyone has a different reaction. It indeed feels a little discouraging... but there are other psychedelic drugs? Or even a different class of drugs could help better?

Maybe some other drugs then? DMT, LSD etc.

Benzos could make the act less panic inducing as they treat anxiety but the same relaxing anxiety relief could make you more at ease with existing for now, sabotaging your attempt, something similar happened to me. It's really hard to say how effective you'd find benzos for this without trying them first. I definitely recommend caution if delving into that drug class, they can be extremely addictive for tense/anxious people, and what a nasty addiction it can be too.

I don't recommend any other psychedelic like LSD or DMT for attempts, similar reasons. For reducing fear of death in the future with less risk of a bad trip DMT might be your best bet, it is a short but potent trip that feels a lot more 'ineffable' and out-of-body/death-like compared to the other psychedelics, worth experiencing either way before you die. LSD I'd say be careful with mostly due to duration of 8-12hrs iirc. https://m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page good resource for basic drug info

 

[Cryptonite]

Sorry I misunderstood your first post, so you want them to help you accept the situation as final not to aid in the very act itself? I don't think psychedelics will make you feel hopeless about life honestly. They are more likely to do the opposite. (I think what you might be thinking of is for example usage of psilocybin in terminal patients to help with acceptance of death, but this is more so acceptance of their situation rather than the drug pushing them towards death, that bit is purely my guess and not empirical)

Is your physical illness untreatable/degenerative/etc in a sense that you know it won't get better?

I've just randomly found out in another thread that you also suffer from similar physical conditions... it's really horrible how many things can go wrong in both mind & body. In a way, we're all lucky, because animals cannot suicide and have zero hope of relieving their aches... if someone doesn't kill them, obviously...

Benzos could make the act less panic inducing as they treat anxiety but the same relaxing anxiety relief could make you more at ease with existing for now, sabotaging your attempt, something similar happened to me. It's really hard to say how effective you'd find benzos for this without trying them first. I definitely recommend caution if delving into that drug class, they can be extremely addictive for tense/anxious people, and what a nasty addiction it can be too.

I don't recommend any other psychedelic like LSD or DMT for attempts, similar reasons. For reducing fear of death in the future with less risk of a bad trip DMT might be your best bet, it is a short but potent trip that feels a lot more 'ineffable' and out-of-body/death-like compared to the other psychedelics, worth experiencing either way before you die. LSD I'd say be careful with mostly due to duration of 8-12hrs iirc. https://m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page good resource for basic drug info

That's my n. 1 worry, that drugs would not only lower survival instinct, but also make one in less pain & more content, therefore unable of doing anything...

but at least I thank you for some hope and knowledgeable reply, I will definitely try DMT and also check out the website, which seems very useful

btw, in my view, it only makes sense that there must be some drug that greatly helps with survival instinct... because we have drugs for other human instincts and needs, e. g. it is quite easily possible to suppress hunger or need for sleep

 

[Funeralprincess]

Hi everyone!

It has happened to me that after many years of fighting and suffering one severe mental illness, I got cured and just a few months after that I became extremely ill and bedridden with another, totally unrelated physical illness.

Given the absurdity of this situation and life in general, I've decided to finally find peace. However, as many of us I struggle with strong survival instinct. It seems like trying to overcome it by usual means would lead to absolutely nowhere, even in 50 years.

That's why I've come accross psychedelic drugs, such as magic mushrooms, DMT, LSD etc. Some of them are known and even scientifically proven to greatly reduce (or even remove altogether) fear of death. Some of them also lead to very helpful clinical death experiences.

Do you guys have any experience with them? Would you say this is an approach that could potentially help? What is your opinion?

Thank you very much.

So I am a very experienced lsd user. I have tried many different kinds and before my life went to shit I used to use them for my therapy. Shrooms however never worked for me but I believe that's because I've taken so much LSD it would take a lot of shrooms to produce the same effect plus I don't like the taste. I have access to the most pure kind, and was a HUGE psychonaut my last two years in college, and I used to plan retreats and help people have positive trips, and was the girl who would introduce people to it and give them safe and warm experiences. I started getting paid for my retreats because I gave people such a therapeutic environment to trip in… I LOVED lsd. Well, when things got bad one of my first suicide attempts was an LSD overdose…. I essentially went against what I always preached to people and stopped using responsibly and Let me tell you… HELL of an experience but it definitely did make me less scared of death just not in the best way. It's hard to actually die on cid, but it can be done as I was close. I took about fifteen tabs, and it wasn't a fun way to try and go. Sadly I was found and was hospitalized and had to trip mega balls at the hospital with an IV in my arm and being monitored by staff. They had to throw blankets over me because my body temperature was out of whack.
I believe one could have a positive clinical death experience with cid, but I'd say don't try and pass away on acid alone. Perhaps combining a healthy dose of lsd with another method would be a good way to go if you're experienced with it and understand it's dynamics of course. Acid did change my life though and I regret nothing. If you do want some guidance on positive trips, I can aid you in that, but don't use it as a sole way to exit this world. It is definitely something that's better paired with another method I feel. Get some good music on that isn't too over stimulating and just pass away while nicely vibing, but don't do what I did and try to meet death on tabs by themselves. I will say this…. The night I took fifteen tabs and almost died was the most intense experience of my life. I viewed death in a new way, and when my heart rate got super high (lsd is a stimulant) I ended up blacking out for a bit and saw the most strange shit I can't explain. I've tripped a lot, so part of me questions if that was part of the trip or the other side because I'd never seen shit like that before, but I've also never taken tabs to die until that night lol.
Just use it properly and I believe it could be a great enhancer to death.
However, that being said, I do think the method you combine it with matters. Lsd combined with hanging for example could induce panic depending on how you react on lsd. Lsd combined with other drugs is also a risky way to go out. I'd say perhaps lsd combined with a nitrogen method may be the most peaceful and safest way to go out. It also really depends on how much you've done it. For me personally I wouldn't want to be trying to trip while hanging high from a noose or indulging in sodium nitrate lol but that's just me.
DMT is alright, but it depends on how you take it in terms of how long it lasts. I'm not a big DMT fan, but some people love it. LSD is gonna last longer though, and so if you mentally can handle tripping while passing, go for it. Knowing your body, what your triggers are, etc will help a lot of one chooses lsd to pair with their death experience. I've done it for so long that I just know how it affects me so I'd say get familiar with it, understand it, and get a feel for it if that's the one you choose. There are also other psychedelics aside from the ones you've listed to look into as well, but harder to access because some psychedelics belong to certain cultures and are often heavily gatekept for spiritual practice

 

[Cryptonite]

So I am a very experienced lsd user. I have tried many different kinds and before my life went to shit I used to use them for my therapy. Shrooms however never worked for me but I believe that's because I've taken so much LSD it would take a lot of shrooms to produce the same effect plus I don't like the taste. I have access to the most pure kind, and was a HUGE psychonaut my last two years in college, and I used to plan retreats and help people have positive trips, and was the girl who would introduce people to it and give them safe and warm experiences. I started getting paid for my retreats because I gave people such a therapeutic environment to trip in… I LOVED lsd. Well, when things got bad one of my first suicide attempts was an LSD overdose…. I essentially went against what I always preached to people and stopped using responsibly and Let me tell you… HELL of an experience but it definitely did make me less scared of death just not in the best way. It's hard to actually die on cid, but it can be done as I was close. I took about fifteen tabs, and it wasn't a fun way to try and go. Sadly I was found and was hospitalized and had to trip mega balls at the hospital with an IV in my arm and being monitored by staff. They had to throw blankets over me because my body temperature was out of whack.
I believe one could have a positive clinical death experience with cid, but I'd say don't try and pass away on acid alone. Perhaps combining a healthy dose of lsd with another method would be a good way to go if you're experienced with it and understand it's dynamics of course. Acid did change my life though and I regret nothing. If you do want some guidance on positive trips, I can aid you in that, but don't use it as a sole way to exit this world. It is definitely something that's better paired with another method I feel. Get some good music on that isn't too over stimulating and just pass away while nicely vibing, but don't do what I did and try to meet death on tabs by themselves. I will say this…. The night I took fifteen tabs and almost died was the most intense experience of my life. I viewed death in a new way, and when my heart rate got super high (lsd is a stimulant) I ended up blacking out for a bit and saw the most strange shit I can't explain. I've tripped a lot, so part of me questions if that was part of the trip or the other side because I'd never seen shit like that before, but I've also never taken tabs to die until that night lol.
Just use it properly and I believe it could be a great enhancer to death.
However, that being said, I do think the method you combine it with matters. Lsd combined with hanging for example could induce panic depending on how you react on lsd. Lsd combined with other drugs is also a risky way to go out. I'd say perhaps lsd combined with a nitrogen method may be the most peaceful and safest way to go out. It also really depends on how much you've done it. For me personally I wouldn't want to be trying to trip while hanging high from a noose or indulging in sodium nitrate lol but that's just me.
DMT is alright, but it depends on how you take it in terms of how long it lasts. I'm not a big DMT fan, but some people love it. LSD is gonna last longer though, and so if you mentally can handle tripping while passing, go for it. Knowing your body, what your triggers are, etc will help a lot of one chooses lsd to pair with their death experience. I've done it for so long that I just know how it affects me so I'd say get familiar with it, understand it, and get a feel for it if that's the one you choose. There are also other psychedelics aside from the ones you've listed to look into as well, but harder to access because some psychedelics belong to certain cultures and are often heavily gatekept for spiritual practice

Thank you very much for this very detailed and helpful reply!

So you believe that CBT can be also done while on drugs? I started to believe that drugs can be only helpful if experienced outside the CBT situation... this is really good to know. How much control over your decisionmaking can you still keep while high?

As far as methods are concerned, I don't think I would be able to do anything else than N, or especially SN... hanging and nitrogen are just not my kind of things, I don't know why

 

[motel rooms]

So you believe that CBT can be also done while on drugs? I started to believe that drugs can be only helpful if experienced outside the CBT situation... this is really good to know.

CTB'ing while tripping on acid? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Funeralprincess]

CTB'ing while tripping on acid? What could possibly go wrong?

LMAO

Thank you very much for this very detailed and helpful reply!

So you believe that CBT can be also done while on drugs? I started to believe that drugs can be only helpful if experienced outside the CBT situation... this is really good to know. How much control over your decisionmaking can you still keep while high?

As far as methods are concerned, I don't think I would be able to do anything else than N, or especially SN... hanging and nitrogen are just not my kind of things, I don't know why

I believe yes someone could cbt while on drugs but it doesn't mean they should. When it comes to hallucinogenic drugs you have to be careful. Some hallucinogens are more powerful than others so yeah I think if you're going to go the N or SN route, no you shouldn't be trying to do those things while on hallucinogenic drugs. If you've done a lot of hallucinogens in your life you're more likely to be able to have better control over your decisions because you know how to control yourself and differentiate between certain things that could occur, but if you're someone who's so new to taking mind altering substances I'd heavily suggest not going down the path of including psychs in your departure lol. Psychedelics (especially acid) are things if only include if You've done them for a while and understand how you react fully. Like you wouldn't want to be very new to acid, take it while you're ctb, then start having a bad trip because that would be a shitshow lol

 

[makethepainstop]

CTB'ing while tripping on acid? What could possibly go wrong?

Damn! Now I have to get some LSD to do my SN method right!