Optimist or Pessimist?

[Acopia]

I'm interested asto what sort of people we all are, albeit in some way thinking about suicide..

Thanks,
- Acopia

 

[hoping to lose hope]

A pessimist is an optimist with all the facts~ schopenhauer

 

[yive]

optimists believe death ends our suffering.
pessimists believe that this is not the end

 

[hoping to lose hope]

optimists believe death ends our suffering.
pessimists believe that this is not the end

dont do this to me I am too deep in pessimism to the point I fear what may await us is much worse.

 

[OrdinaryDay]

optimists believe death ends our suffering.
pessimists believe that this is not the end

BS

 

[hoping to lose hope]

BS

expect the worst so why not do the same in death.

 

[Ghost2211]

I'm not an optimist or pessimist I am more of a realist. I can see good and opportunity in life and I can see the potential of improvement, but I can also see when things are completely bad and merit feeling bad about them and hopeless about the future.

 

[OrdinaryDay]

expect the worst so why not do the same in death.

Then it would have to be pessimism with religion which doesn't make a lot sense to me.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

Then it would have to be pessimism with religion which doesn't make a lot sense to me.

Can you explain why it has to be pessimism with religion?
You can be a pessimist that holds a view that the consciousness is metaphysical and will continue to suffer in death.
Just because schopenhauer was atheistic does not mean pessimism is.
Also it is less that I may even think there is an afterlife but the fact I am expecting a negative outcome no matter what making me consider if there is a remote possibility then it may happen tobring misfortune.

 

[OrdinaryDay]

Can you explain why it has to be pessimism with religion?
You can be a pessimist that holds a view that the consciousness is metaphysical and will continue to suffer in death.

You should ask someone who holds such view because I don't. I'm a realist/pessimist and I think that death is the end. At least for this physical body and its brain.

will continue to suffer in death.

But this right here scares the f out of me

 

[hoping to lose hope]

You should ask someone who holds such view because I don't. I'm a realist/pessimist and I think that death is the end. At least for this physical body and its brain.

But this right here scares the f out of me

I asked you as you made a claim that pessimism is inseparable from atheism.
Also you seem to be more of a materialist then a realist or you would consider the uncertainty inherent to detecting the thing in itself by observing the simulacrum.
Scientific method is entirely useless at actually telling you why anything is and only tells us what it appears to be.

 

[OrdinaryDay]

I asked you as you made a claim that pessimism is inseparable from atheism.
Also you seem to be more of a materialist then a realist or you would consider the uncertainty inherent to detecting the thing in itself by observing the simulacrum.
Scientific method is entirely useless at actually telling you why anything is and only tells us what it appears to be.

How can be science useless in explaining what something is if it literally observes the real world and works with data gathered from the real world. If science can't explain what our world is then nothing can. It's the closest thing that does it.
I don't know about relation between atheism and pessimism in fact not sure if these 2 things are related in any way.
Materialism and realism are related with each other so I guess I can make different claims based on one or the other.

 

[k75]

I'm not an optimist or pessimist I am more of a realist. I can see good and opportunity in life and I can see the potential of improvement, but I can also see when things are completely bad and merit feeling bad about them and hopeless about the future.

I was going to say something similar about myself.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

How can be science useless in explaining what something is if it literally observes the real world and works with data gathered from the real world. If science can't explain what our world is then nothing can. It's the closest thing that does it.

I mentioned why in my previous post just have a think about it.
The philosopher cannot prove if his abstract concepts which point to a possible cause of existence are correct and the scientist can never peer outside of the representation and peek at what the true form of reality is beyond figuring out laws that govern our world with no actual claim to why they manifested.

I don't know about relation between atheism and pessimism in fact not sure if these 2 things are related in any way.

Why did you say pessimism cannot make sense with religion then?

 

[OrdinaryDay]

I mentioned why in my previous post just have a think about it.
The philosopher cannot prove if his abstract concepts which point to a possible cause of existence are correct and the scientist can never peer outside of the representation and peek at what the true form of reality is beyond figuring out laws that govern our world with no actual claim to why they manifested.

Why did you say pessimism cannot make sense with religion then?

Now that I think about it probably does make sense to some people. A pessimist who expects the worst even after death will go to hell or something like that and will be totally okay with. But it sounds kinda crazy idk.

It's enough for me to think that our world is made up from atoms and that it can appear in many complex variations which construct our reality.

I'm not a philosopher but I'm aware that I'm aware.

 

[hoping to lose hope]

It's enough for me to think that our world is made up from atoms and that it can appear in many complex variations which construct our reality.

however it appears but however, it appears however