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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
633
People with extra happy hormones in their brain are delusional, they have hope, they feel good, they feel positive and look forward to do things in life as if they're going to live forever, and usually these people stick to religion cause it reaffirms the feelings they're feeling.
I'm not talking about all depressed people, i'm talking about myself and i'm sure there are a lot of other people like me that understand the futility of life and how religions are all man made bullshit and that nothing we do matters, if humanity goes extinct right now it wouldn't matter, that breeding is a crime in itself when you bring a living being into a fucked up world where everything is a huge risk. the normal are the depressed, the non depressed are the sick ones.
 
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VoidDesirer22

VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
I don't agree with this.
Equating certain mindsets resulting from depression with some red pilled thing makes my skin crawl.

"Normal" people are just trying to enjoy this life. And if a terrible brain chemistry isn't derailing that, then so what. And if it is and they are able to recover, then that's good. I dunno, I might have agreed with you when I was 16. But now that I'm dying soon, I feel no ill will anymore to those who want to have kids and enjoy life and sunsets and oceans, hike walks, their family etc.
 
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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
633
I don't agree with this.
Equating certain mindsets resulting from depression with some red pilled thing makes my skin crawl.

"Normal" people are just trying to enjoy this life. And if a terrible brain chemistry isn't derailing that, then so what. And if it is and they are able to recover, then that's good. I dunno, I might have agreed with you when I was 16. But now that I'm dying soon, I feel no ill will anymore to those who want to have kids and enjoy life and sunsets and oceans, hike walks, their family etc.
They're creating balls of miseries. i understand how they're delusional and think everything always will end up well, but that's not the case always.
 
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Messgram

Meaningless struggle
Dec 30, 2021
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I don't agree with this.
Equating certain mindsets resulting from depression with some red pilled thing makes my skin crawl.

"Normal" people are just trying to enjoy this life. And if a terrible brain chemistry isn't derailing that, then so what. And if it is and they are able to recover, then that's good. I dunno, I might have agreed with you when I was 16. But now that I'm dying soon, I feel no ill will anymore to those who want to have kids and enjoy life and sunsets and oceans, hike walks, their family etc.
He is right though, every single happy people I met are delusional to the extreme. You talk to them and they will most likely push toxic optimism, like that the world is a wonder, that life is fair and beautiful, and in the worst scenario, they will judge you for your life being shit, even if you have two hundred traumas and a chronic depression that has plagued you since childhood.
And how can you not be repulsed by people having children when the reason you're here is only because your parents? How can you not, when we live in a world full of disease, war, tragedy and suffering? They have kids because they need an escape from their miserable everyday life, so they'll pass that burden on to their kids. They just can't realize it because they're wearing rainbow glasses all the time, which is why they are delusional
 
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symphony

symphony

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Mar 12, 2022
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I remember reading once that some studies have shown depressed people are more likely to approach the world with realism. Not sure of the accuracy of my memory on that one though, and I'm tired and grumpy and don't want to google it. If someone could confirm or deny this, I'd appreciate that.
 
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VoidDesirer22

VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
I remember reading once that some studies have shown depressed people are more likely to approach the world with realism. Not sure of the accuracy of my memory on that one though, and I'm tired and grumpy and don't want to google it. If someone could confirm or deny this, I'd appreciate that.
Right, there are studies that demonstrate those high in metrics of depression are less influenced by optimism about their performance on some tests, among other areas.

But this is taken to the extreme to claim that depressed people on average are more intelligent or enlightened. Any science-minded individual would cringe at how far these results are extrapolated and generalized. But I do understand, as being depressed is horrible and it feels nice to at least tell onself that they are smarter than people who are positive and optimistic about life.

Depressed people also suffer from many cognitive biases. Google about Beck's cognitive bias model of depression for further info if you're interested.

(Btw I've suffered from persistent mild depression [Dysthymia] for upward of 6 years now. But I refuse to pretend I know the truth that others cannot see because they're too optimistic and dumb)
 
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symphony

symphony

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Mar 12, 2022
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Right, there are studies that demonstrate those high in metrics of depression are less influenced by optimism about their performance on some tests, among other areas.

But this is taken to the extreme to claim that depressed people on average are more intelligent or enlightened. Any science-minded individual would cringe at how far these results are extrapolated and generalized. But I do understand, as being depressed is horrible and it feels nice to at least tell onself that they are smarter than people who are positive and optimistic about life.

Depressed people also suffer from many cognitive biases. Google about Beck's cognitive bias model of depression for further info if you're interested.

(Btw I've suffered from persistent mild depression [Dysthymia] for upward of 6 years now. But I refuse to pretend I know the truth that others cannot see because they're too optimistic and dumb)
Thanks for the info, and yes, I absolutely agree with your analysis here.
 
Al Cappella

Al Cappella

Are we there yet?
Feb 2, 2022
888
I don't know. Maybe it's that I'm older, but that doesn't describe any happy ppl I've ever encountered. And really, as happiness is one end of a spectrum, and misery the other, most ppl identify as OK, or maybe content. I've always thought happiness was a peculiar goal, but that's neither here nor there. And religion doesn't enter into anything where I am—but I can see, if you're in a Bible Belt, where that might be closer to what you describe.

The fact is that the depressed brain famously distorts, globalizes, ideates, catastrophises…hardly a recipe for objective reasoning. Now I'm not going to sit here and deny there's such a thing as toxic positivity a la instagram, etc. There certainly is, and it's not objective either, obviously.
 
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Fadeawaaaay

Fadeawaaaay

Visionary
Nov 12, 2021
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Right, there are studies that demonstrate those high in metrics of depression are less influenced by optimism about their performance on some tests, among other areas.

But this is taken to the extreme to claim that depressed people on average are more intelligent or enlightened. Any science-minded individual would cringe at how far these results are extrapolated and generalized. But I do understand, as being depressed is horrible and it feels nice to at least tell onself that they are smarter than people who are positive and optimistic about life.

Depressed people also suffer from many cognitive biases. Google about Beck's cognitive bias model of depression for further info if you're interested.

(Btw I've suffered from persistent mild depression [Dysthymia] for upward of 6 years now. But I refuse to pretend I know the truth that others cannot see because they're too optimistic and dumb)
Depression has made me delusional. It's sabotaged so many possibilities and opportunities.
 
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Infiniteloop

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Mar 19, 2022
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I don't agree with this.
Equating certain mindsets resulting from depression with some red pilled thing makes my skin crawl.

"Normal" people are just trying to enjoy this life. And if a terrible brain chemistry isn't derailing that, then so what. And if it is and they are able to recover, then that's good. I dunno, I might have agreed with you when I was 16. But now that I'm dying soon, I feel no ill will anymore to those who want to have kids and enjoy life and sunsets and oceans, hike walks, their family etc.
Very well put. Everyone's existence is meaningful and valid from their respective perspectives.
 
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arnab

Student
Mar 9, 2022
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People with extra happy hormones in their brain are delusional, they have hope, they feel good, they feel positive and look forward to do things in life as if they're going to live forever, and usually these people stick to religion cause it reaffirms the feelings they're feeling.
I'm not talking about all depressed people, i'm talking about myself and i'm sure there are a lot of other people like me that understand the futility of life and how religions are all man made bullshit and that nothing we do matters, if humanity goes extinct right now it wouldn't matter, that breeding is a crime in itself when you bring a living being into a fucked up world where everything is a huge risk. the normal are the depressed, the non depressed are the sick ones.

Only the brainwashed, delusional and childish people will disagree with your statement.

Expect a lot of them here.

He is right though, every single happy people I met are delusional to the extreme. You talk to them and they will most likely push toxic optimism, like that the world is a wonder, that life is fair and beautiful, and in the worst scenario, they will judge you for your life being shit, even if you have two hundred traumas and a chronic depression that has plagued you since childhood.
And how can you not be repulsed by people having children when the reason you're here is only because your parents? How can you not, when we live in a world full of disease, war, tragedy and suffering? They have kids because they need an escape from their miserable everyday life, so they'll pass that burden on to their kids. They just can't realize it because they're wearing rainbow glasses all the time, which is why they are delusional
Right. Having kids are only and I mean ONLY for your own selfish reasons.
Every other argument is NOT VALID and stems from brainwashing. I'm probably gonna sound crazy for talking about brainwashing this much but really, it's what's society is built upon. Fear and brainwashing. The pillars that move work forward.

I realise this now that without the heavy tools society have for brainwashing it's citizens , without it society would fall.
 
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FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I believe that people must be delusional to want to live in a world where there is so much suffering. Even if life is going well for people right now, it can easily get much worse. Life is very depressing overall, all we have to look forward to is old age where we will watch ourselves physically and mentally deteriorate. Many people live under a delusion that life is always worth living and they dismiss those who are suicidal as always being irrational. I believe that wanting suicide can be perfectly rational in a world like this, I simply want to escape decades of meaningless suffering and I have come to the conclusion that my life is not worth living.
 
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wearingmyheart

Kindness is so gangsta
Aug 17, 2021
46
You're right, people that have children are extremely selfish and cruel. They are the ones who cause all of our suffering. If people have the ability to acknowledge that breeding animals is bad, then why is the same empathy not extended to their fellow humans? They're such egotists, really. They would do anything for a "mini me", even if that means that mini me is condemned to a life of extreme agony. There's not a single good reason to have children. All of the reasons are based on extremely selfish desires.
 
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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
633
Right, there are studies that demonstrate those high in metrics of depression are less influenced by optimism about their performance on some tests, among other areas.

But this is taken to the extreme to claim that depressed people on average are more intelligent or enlightened. Any science-minded individual would cringe at how far these results are extrapolated and generalized. But I do understand, as being depressed is horrible and it feels nice to at least tell onself that they are smarter than people who are positive and optimistic about life.

Depressed people also suffer from many cognitive biases. Google about Beck's cognitive bias model of depression for further info if you're interested.

(Btw I've suffered from persistent mild depression [Dysthymia] for upward of 6 years now. But I refuse to pretend I know the truth that others cannot see because they're too optimistic and dumb)
there are facts, and there are wishful thinking and thoughts. facts are that this is fucked up world where so many things can go wrong from birth until death and THEY DO HAPPEN. these are facts.
I don't know. Maybe it's that I'm older, but that doesn't describe any happy ppl I've ever encountered. And really, as happiness is one end of a spectrum, and misery the other, most ppl identify as OK, or maybe content. I've always thought happiness was a peculiar goal, but that's neither here nor there. And religion doesn't enter into anything where I am—but I can see, if you're in a Bible Belt, where that might be closer to what you describe.

The fact is that the depressed brain famously distorts, globalizes, ideates, catastrophises…hardly a recipe for objective reasoning. Now I'm not going to sit here and deny there's such a thing as toxic positivity a la instagram, etc. There certainly is, and it's not objective either, obviously.
Not true, as a depressed person, i'm able to think and analyze rationally and base my beliefs and thoughts on facts, not just by sense and wishful thinking, i did not write what i wrote based on nothing but feelings, i presented facts and good arguments.
 

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