One thread had me thinking…

[ryo the frog]

I see a lot of users say that they've been struggling with suicidal ideology since adolescence, really early too ie, twelve years. other times I'll see users stand by the fact that anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings.

I can't say I have a diffinate side. 18- is still really early in life, but as stated above people have suicidal ideologies in adolescence that carry into adulthood.
so should a minor just power through it until 18? of course seeking help is another obvious answer thats rightfully encouraged, but a lot of us here are choosing suicide because seeking help didn't work in the first place. Its objective that 18- is really young, and that children are melodramatic, but I dislike to generalize. I'm speaking with experience in regards to the fact that I've wanted to ctb since my early teens and come a decade later with jackshit changing.

I know why this site forbids it, a death of a child would really set pro-lifers off. though I kind of find it funny that people are putting an age limit on dying. I find suicide as natural as any other cause of death. I'm conflicted on the matter.

I'm wondering about other people's thoughts. How old were you when you wanted to ctb?

(this is a controversial one I can smell it)

 

[lionetta12]

I see a lot of users say that they've been struggling with suicidal ideology since adolescence, really early too ie, twelve years. other times I'll see users stand by the fact that anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings.

I can't say I have a diffinate side. 18- is still really early in life, but as stated above people have suicidal ideologies in adolescence that carry into adulthood.
so should a minor just power through it until 18? of course seeking help is another obvious answer thats rightfully encouraged, but a lot of us here are choosing suicide because seeking help didn't work in the first place. Its objective that 18- is really young, and that children are melodramatic, but I dislike to generalize. I'm speaking with experience in regards to the fact that I've wanted to ctb since my early teens and come a decade later with jackshit changing.

I know why this site forbids it, a death of a child would really set pro-lifers off. though I kind of find it funny that people are putting an age limit on dying. I find suicide as natural as any other cause of death. I'm conflicted on the matter.

I'm wondering about other people's thoughts. How old were you when you wanted to ctb?

(this is a controversial one I can smell it)

I think most people who have read my threads recently know that I was 11 when I became suicidal and was trying hard to surpass SI everyday for that year to try and stab myself. I've been suicidal ever since despite trying all the help that's available for many years and recently got told by my therapist that I got chronic suicidal thoughts and wishes. I was around 5 when I started thinking about death itself and what happens after. I'm now in my mid 20's.

 

[peacetime]

I got depressed at around 10-11 and have had suicidal ideation periodically since then. At 27, I'm currently at my peak and I'm waiting for my SN.

 

[freevoid]

I get why, from the obvious legality perspective.

But I've been suicidal since about 6/7, before I even knew the concept of suicide. I just remember being in so much mental and emotional pain that I wanted to "go to sleep and never wake up again"

I'm 31 now and been through a rigaramole of treatments and medications. None of them had any major positive impact. I'm only here out of logistics, waiting for enough privacy to go.

So in theory, I don't give a fuck about age limits. Pain is pain, and unbearable pain is unbearable. But, we live in a society with boundaries and preferences so yeah. When in rome...

 

[Cathy Ames]

I see a lot of users say that they've been struggling with suicidal ideology since adolescence, really early too ie, twelve years. other times I'll see users stand by the fact that anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings.

Maybe you could link to the thread where people were saying that "anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings." I have never seen anyone say that. [Not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it if it happened.]

(this is a controversial one I can smell it)

Yeah, it does kinda look as though you are trying to rile people up for some reason.

 

[vultureilse]

im 18 and been suicidal since around 10. i obviously get why people think this is too early in life for suicide but im honestly tired of my feelings getting invalidated because of my age and constantly bombarded with forced positivity. getting told that im young and life will get better when im older by people who know anything about my life and what ive been through

 

[Forever Sleep]

I've been suicidal since aged 10. It's not so much that young people SHOULDN'T have ideation. If awful stuff has happened to you- why wouldn't you?

It's more- should the government just green light assisted suicide at any age? I think there will always be exceptions- people who develop severe physical and mental health conditions early on. OF COURSE- they should still be considered- no matter their age.

I suppose I just think- It's considered we can't make decisions to drink alcohol till that age (officially), only a few years younger- we are (officially) old enough to have the (legal) capability to consent to sex and smoke. Deciding on suicide seems to be (at least) on a par with things like this. I just think- situations are rapidly changing when you are young. Your brain is still developing. More opportunities are still open and you would hope there is support available if someone reached out.

It's not to belittle the severity of what young people feel (I was there too- my very worst years in life were 10-18.) It's not to say things will definitely get better either. Sadly- they may not. It's more the legal side of letting 10 year olds kill themselves at a clinic. Presumably- you would need the authorisation by two doctors/therapists AND their parents. How many do you suppose would consent?

It's the realism side to things. I also know that someone like me with a very small (official) backhistory of depression is unlikely to be considered anytime soon. I'm 43 now. I feel perfectly capable of assesing what I want. I've had decades of experience to know where my life is likely headed and how much I am willing to change it (not enough.)

I do still understand why they would be opening a can of worms if they let someone like me or a 10 year old 'officially' get assisted suicide though.

I understand the resoning behind posts like this. I understand the frustration too. my rationality is more about thinking what is likely to be authorised anytime soon worldwide, which groups of people (in the majority of cases) may never be eligible and why.

 

[Regen]

Yes, there are people who are suicidal in higher age as well.

But there also a really lot of people who are suicidal in their teenage, but find their way when they grow up. This people are not on a side like SaSu, so it seems like it is always that suicidal thoughts stay forever. But this is not the reality.

I was more then 1,5 years in a psych ward when I was a teen. I saw many teens, who are struggling. And some do it well, some commit suicide.

But the really interesting thing is: you never know who will be the lucky one at the end!!

Some, where I was absolutly sure, that they will commit suicide in future have today a good life. And some, where I thougt, that they will make it, are dead or depressive. You never know. So everybody should give life a serious chance and should wait until the brain is ready (~25 years) and should try different therapy.

 

[Destiny Calls Me]

I think its possible to be like that at a young age. Suicidal ideation can come from many different things or manifest by many different means. Whether it be to how you were raised, chemical imbalances, trauma or accidents that happen, etc.. Intelligence, emotions and knowledge hold no boundaries.

While I started out depressed at around 15, the suicidal ideation didnt start until around my 20s. Coupled with depression amongst other things it was a non stop downwards spiral. Now Im here almost 30 years old on the edge.

 

[Rainy_days]

Majority of teens are still stuck in the bubble that is mandatory public education. I think people should at least get an experience of life outside that weird bubble. Also raging hormones in the teens makes that a really weird time too that is not reflective of the majority of life. Of course some people will have suicidality that persists, and I hope humane euthanasia is more available some day. But for most people the beginning of life is way different than the 60%+ of it that will follow.

 

[Archamais]

I remember being about 14-15 on my knees crying and praying to God, begging that I wouldn't wake up the next morning. (Last time I've spoken to God)

First attempt was at 16, I'm 32 now. It's been hard, it hasn't gotten easier. I'm so tired.

 

[Regen]

Majority of teens are still stuck in the bubble that is mandatory public education. I think people should at least get an experience of life outside that weird bubble.

That's true........ And the experience of living without the own family can be very good.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Maybe you could link to the thread where people were saying that "anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings." I have never seen anyone say that. [Not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it if it happened.]

I've also never seen this.

 

[ryo the frog]

Maybe you could link to the thread where people were saying that "anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings." I have never seen anyone say that. [Not saying it didn't happen. Just that I didn't see it if it happened.]


Yeah, it does kinda look as though you are trying to rile people up for some reason.

It's not a specific thread, just something I see stated here from time to time. I worded that last part wrong, what I mean is too young to commit suicide not too young to feel suicidal.

I'm just curious on others opinions on minors commiting suicide, given how a lot of users here became suicide in their adolescence, and are obviously still not well since they're here in the first place.

 

[FuneralCry]

In my case I've never wished to exist at all, thoughts of suicide are simply just the natural and expected way to feel as I absolutely despise existing, it's such a terrible thing to be trapped here in this world. And on the subject of age, I think that it's preferable to leave this world as soon as possible as I believe that the less time spent here in this hellish world, the better. The sooner someone leaves, the more unnecessary suffering that would inevitably be prevented. I always admire and envy very young people who manage to voluntarily free themselves, there's so much beauty in the refusal to delay our inevitable fate, and I just hate the fact that I've managed to exist up until this point, those who leave this world at a very young age are certainly fortunate.

But it's completely irrational saying that suicide is 'wrong' under any circumstances, as to die literally solves all problems and it's what we are destined for anyway. There is no value to continuing existing and doing such a thing is not admirable to me. Those who want to gatekeep suicide to only a certain age are just delusional pro lifers, those types of people are usually arrogant older people who love to dismiss the suffering of others and act all judgemental as it makes them feel better about themselves. I cannot stand people like that. Like no, not everyone values life anyway, and some people just don't want to suffer, so they have no right to push their ignorant views onto others and it disturbs me when people want to force others to stay here and suffer until they reach a certain age, like existing is not an obligation and if someone wants to die they should just be able to exit when they wish to. It's as simple as that.

There is nothing that could ever justify gatekeeping suicide anyway as life is such an useless concept that only exists as a consequence of evolution, it makes so much sense to me to want suicide, it's the most rational thing anyway as the wish to live is centred around delusions.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

It's not a specific thread, just something I see stated here from time to time. I worded that last part wrong, what I mean is too young to commit suicide not too young to feel suicidal.

I'm just curious on others opinions on minors commiting suicide, given how a lot of users here became suicide in their adolescence, and are obviously still not well since they're here in the first place.

But older people have the ability of hindsight that the younger people, whose future hasn't come to pass yet, don't. Personally I believe that people generally have to wait till their mid-20's at least to form an accurate assessment of their future. Also, a teenager who used this site killed himself a few months ago and we got majorly scolded. But even if that hadn't happened it's not wrong to do some due diligence. And in general it's not want to help people make sure the hull of their suicide ship isn't leaky. It's just important and somrtimes difficult to do that in a way that's validating and respectful of their suicidal feelings.

 

[BGooG]

As a professional developmental psychologist, I can offer the view that reasoning processes are not fully mature until the end of adolescence, into early adulthood. Partly this is about brain maturation, partly this is the result of hormonal variation, as well as a host of societal and experiential factors. Regardless, there actually is a reason why children, through adolescence, are not held to the same legal standards for reasoning as are adults. These are basic biological and social developmental processes.

That said, there is no magic age at which you are suddenly an "adult" and can be considered responsible for your decision making. Society arbitrarily assigns an age for this, but the actual fact can be either earlier or later. So turning to developmental processes won't actually resolve this issue.

Ultimately I'm not taking a stand here. This is offered simply as relevant context when we think about the rights of children to make life altering decisions.

 

[sincerelysad]

I see a lot of users say that they've been struggling with suicidal ideology since adolescence, really early too ie, twelve years. other times I'll see users stand by the fact that anyone under 18 is too young to be having such yearnings.

I can't say I have a diffinate side. 18- is still really early in life, but as stated above people have suicidal ideologies in adolescence that carry into adulthood.
so should a minor just power through it until 18? of course seeking help is another obvious answer thats rightfully encouraged, but a lot of us here are choosing suicide because seeking help didn't work in the first place. Its objective that 18- is really young, and that children are melodramatic, but I dislike to generalize. I'm speaking with experience in regards to the fact that I've wanted to ctb since my early teens and come a decade later with jackshit changing.

I know why this site forbids it, a death of a child would really set pro-lifers off. though I kind of find it funny that people are putting an age limit on dying. I find suicide as natural as any other cause of death. I'm conflicted on the matter.

I'm wondering about other people's thoughts. How old were you when you wanted to ctb?

(this is a controversial one I can smell it)

i literally remember trying to get cars to hit me when i was like, 9.
that's 12 years ago. i can't imagine surviving another 12. jesus.