Odds that Nitschke's Debreathers ever get sold? See link. Also, risk of serious legal or psychiatric trouble if you order one?

[NotWhatIExpected]

https://www.right2die.org/disposablerebreathercartridge.php

Mostly in regard to the coronavirus thing

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Exit (or aforementioned Philip Nitschke) is not involved with the debreather. It's an entirely new entity that I can't reveal. We also encourage to not directly link to resources and/or sites.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

https://www.right2die.org/disposablerebreathercartridge.php

Mostly in regard to the coronavirus thing

I dont know about legal or psych trouble. I mean youre ordering from China and shipping from China so who would know. Also it is touted as a rebreather with an oxygen source and in big letters WHATEVER YOU DO DONT USE THIS WITHOUT OXYGEN YOULL FUCKING DIE.

I have been skeptical from the jump; however, the science is good and I have cobbled one together for under a hundred bucks that works just fine in testing. So idc if they ever get theirs sold; i know how to make them and knowledge is power.
I think the key would be to order early and soon; no way they wont clamp down once this thing starts popping up with bodies attached.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Exit (or aforementioned Philip Nitschke) is not involved with the debreather. It's an entirely new entity that I can't reveal. We also encourage to not directly link to resources and/or sites.

But Nitschke tweeted about it? So he's not involved with it at all?

That sort of worries me that there's not at least one semi-legitimate face behind it, although I guess he's endorsed it a lot

I get that wanting to die in-and-of-itself has a ton of heavy opposition but idk what I'm supposed to do instead, it just seems harsh

 

[issyishere]

So idc if they ever get theirs sold; i know how to make them and knowledge is power.
I think the key would be to order early and soon; no way they wont clamp down once this thing starts popping up with bodies attached.

you're this forums equivalent to thomas edison when he invented the lightbulb

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I dont know about legal or psych trouble. I mean youre ordering from China and shipping from China so who would know. Also it is touted as a rebreather with an oxygen source and in big letters WHATEVER YOU DO DONT USE THIS WITHOUT OXYGEN YOULL FUCKING DIE.

I have been skeptical from the jump; however, the science is good and I have cobbled one together for under a hundred bucks that works just fine in testing. So idc if they ever get theirs sold; i know how to make them and knowledge is power.
I think the key would be to order early and soon; no way they wont clamp down once this thing starts popping up with bodies attached.

It's like the "soda lime" pellets that are the hard part to get, I imagine, right?

I kind of want to cry reading the end of that but you're probably right

It hurts for me because I might choose to live for longer imagining that I have my method locked in but then something happens where it's taken from me or I otherwise lose it and then I'm stranded in a horrible scenario with no way out

I was going to say "and future generations can't use it" but that's most likely a way to get intense negative interest

 

[NextBusLeaving]

It's like the "soda lime" pellets that are the hard part to get, I imagine, right?

I kind of want to cry reading the end of that but you're probably right

It hurts for me because I might choose to live for longer imagining that I have my method locked in but then something happens where it's taken from me or I otherwise lose it and then I'm stranded in a horrible scenario with no way out

I was going to say "and future generations can't use it" but that's most likely a way to get intense negative interest

I got soda lime over the counter through the jungle site but there are options.

you're this forums equivalent to thomas edison when he invented the lightbulb

Lol thank you. I wrote up two pages on how to make it tonight but i am grappling with the morality of it and whether the world is ready for it when some cant even figure out an exit bag. Idk.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

But Nitschke tweeted about it? So he's not involved with it at all?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I got soda lime over the counter through the jungle site but there are options.

Lol thank you. I wrote up two pages on how to make it tonight but i am grappling with the morality of it and whether the world is ready for it when some cant even figure out an exit bag. Idk.

What do you mean by that last statement? That your homemade debreather is harder or easier to use than an exit bag?

I personally think the simpler something is, the better in this sort of affair

Supposed to be reliable and accessible, the way Nitschke phrases it

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February 9th has come and gone :(

 

[HelensNepenthe]

February 9th has come and gone :(

If the manufacturing of the debreather is in the Canton province, it's likely you won't see an update for sales until at least the third week of February. Other provinces have declared reopening schools and factories since February 9.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

If the manufacturing of the debreather is in the Canton province, it's likely you won't see an update for sales until at least the third week of February. Other provinces have declared reopening schools and factories since February 9.

Plus I have no clue how long the shipping will even take

I dont know about legal or psych trouble. I mean youre ordering from China and shipping from China so who would know. Also it is touted as a rebreather with an oxygen source and in big letters WHATEVER YOU DO DONT USE THIS WITHOUT OXYGEN YOULL FUCKING DIE.

I have been skeptical from the jump; however, the science is good and I have cobbled one together for under a hundred bucks that works just fine in testing. So idc if they ever get theirs sold; i know how to make them and knowledge is power.
I think the key would be to order early and soon; no way they wont clamp down once this thing starts popping up with bodies attached.

Could you essentially just put some soda lime in a bag and put it over your head?

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Plus I have no clue how long the shipping will even take

The reshipping service they're using is uh, sketchy to say the very least.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

What do you mean by that last statement? That your homemade debreather is harder or easier to use than an exit bag?

I personally think the simpler something is, the better in this sort of affair

Supposed to be reliable and accessible, the way Nitschke phrases it

February 9th has come and gone :(

The debreather is easier to use provided one has very basic skills to put it together. Its basically built from plumbing parts. But I still see endless arguments on here trying to take shortcuts: do i need to wrench tighten my gas regulator? That type of stuff makes me think ppl may not be ready.

Plus I have no clue how long the shipping will even take

Could you essentially just put some soda lime in a bag and put it over your head?

No. One, it is caustic, so you don't want to touch it. You need to filter the air through it in one direction so what you are breathing has had all Co2 removed. This requires a good mask seal and the setup i have.

In under ten mins I induced hypoxemia - pulse ox from 98-82%. Had i continued hypoxia and unconsciousness would have followed and then death. There was zero discomfort.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

The debreather is easier to use provided one has very basic skills to put it together. Its basically built from plumbing parts. But I still see endless arguments on here trying to take shortcuts: do i need to wrench tighten my gas regulator? That type of stuff makes me think ppl may not be ready.

No. One, it is caustic, so you don't want to touch it. You need to filter the air through it in one direction so what you are breathing has had all Co2 removed. This requires a good mask seal and the setup i have.

In under ten mins I induced hypoxemia - pulse ox from 98-82%. Had i continued hypoxia and unconsciousness would have followed and then death. There was zero discomfort.

I disagree with you that people need a certain level of plumbing expertise to be able to kill themselves

I think everyone should be able to do it

Nitschke pretty much says as much

 

[NextBusLeaving]

I disagree with you that people need a certain level of plumbing expertise to be able to kill themselves

I think everyone should be able to do it

Nitschke pretty much says as much

I dont disagree. I think the worry comes from shortcuts and analysis-paralysis.

This is the last decision; the last action of your life. To me, sparing no expense and cutting no corners so it is done once, done right, and is as painless as possible is the way to go.

I mean, i have seen threads here on par with "scalpels cost $10, can i just use this rusty old butter knife i found?"

I dont want anyone to suffer but with every method, cut enough corners and you end up where you started

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I dont disagree. I think the worry comes from shortcuts and analysis-paralysis.

This is the last decision; the last action of your life. To me, sparing no expense and cutting no corners so it is done once, done right, and is as painless as possible is the way to go.

I mean, i have seen threads here on par with "scalpels cost $10, can i just use this rusty old butter knife i found?"

I dont want anyone to suffer but with every method, cut enough corners and you end up where you started

I see what you mean that cutting corners will end up with them failing and getting more hurt, but I'm just saying it's unfair the methods are complex enough in the first place where cutting corners is even plausibly necessary at all

Plus people are also under all sorts of constraints whether in terms of time or finance or pain level or opportunity to be avoid being noticed or avoiding really upsetting family members or passersby/involved workers

I get the idea that "oh see you aren't being rational enough to be able to kill yourself" but pulling off an extremely precise method of suicide which poses a very high risk both to yourself and others is in my opinion way too high a price to pay to prove how rational you are

Plus the terminally ill and severely debilitated can't often achieve those kinds of fears and those are the people Exit and Nitschke and the Peaceful Pill advocates want to help the most

 

[WhyamIstillhere]

I'm guessing it'd be a very very long time before something like this was made publicly available without some future assisted suicide prescription

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I'm guessing it'd be a very very long time before something like this was made publicly available without some future assisted suicide prescription

So what do you think is gonna happen if someone tries to order it? Or do you think the website is just going to be 'under construction' for a very long time?

 

[WhyamIstillhere]

So what do you think is gonna happen if someone tries to order it? Or do you think the website is just going to be 'under construction' for a very long time?

Didn't actually notice the link until now, that's pretty crazy. If it goes live it would probably be pretty simple to get your hands on tbh.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Didn't actually notice the link until now, that's pretty crazy. If it goes live it would probably be pretty simple to get your hands on tbh.

I'm mainly afraid of it being a scam or a trick somehow

 

[Otter]

I haven't been able to read up very much on it as I only have a mobile cell and it's a pain in the butt. do either of you guys know what form of payment they're accepting on this?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I haven't been able to read up very much on it as I only have a mobile cell and it's a pain in the butt. do either of you guys know what form of payment they're accepting on this?

Not 100% sure yet

 

[lost_soul83]

I got soda lime over the counter through the jungle site but there are options.

Lol thank you. I wrote up two pages on how to make it tonight but i am grappling with the morality of it and whether the world is ready for it when some cant even figure out an exit bag. Idk.

I would be intensely interested in those instructions.

 

[Greenberg]

Though I remain doubtful of the product's commercial viability, let us give it a FINAL chance to prove itself on February 9th. I do find it amusing how Dr. Nitschke is trying to disconnect himself from the affiliation of the product as it experiences difficulties in its launch!

 

[Thanatonaut]

I like the concept of the DeBreather, and honestly with my knowledge of anesthesia machines and respirators, I could fashion one with an anesthesia mask and circuit, some one way valves, soda lime, 2-liter bottles, and a plastic bag (exit bag is fine.)

But there is one fatal flaw (non-fatal flaw in this case I guess.)

The anesthesia mask. There's a reason they usually intubate you during surgery. Keeping a tight enough mask seal on an anesthetized patient isn't so straightforward. The face loses muscle tone and it becomes hard to maintain a seal. For our purposes, that's a dealbreaker. That's what makes the Exit Bag so reliable: it surrounds the entire head with the oxygen- and CO2-free environment.

I'm not any more crazy about CTB with a bag on my head than anyone else, but it's what works.

 

[Greenberg]

I like the concept of the DeBreather, and honestly with my knowledge of anesthesia machines and respirators, I could fashion one with an anesthesia mask and circuit, some one way valves, soda lime, 2-liter bottles, and a plastic bag (exit bag is fine.)

But there is one fatal flaw (non-fatal flaw in this case I guess.)

The anesthesia mask. There's a reason they usually intubate you during surgery. Keeping a tight enough mask seal on an anesthetized patient isn't so straightforward. The face loses muscle tone and it becomes hard to maintain a seal. For our purposes, that's a dealbreaker. That's what makes the Exit Bag so reliable: it surrounds the entire head with the oxygen- and CO2-free environment.

I'm not any more crazy about CTB with a bag on my head than anyone else, but it's what works.

I do not think it is the mask that is the issue.

Anesthesia masks have worked well since their introduction and have improved in both price and performance over time. Standard anesthesia masks are secured by a head elastomer via 4 hooks. Any changes in facial topology are automatically accommodated by the elastomer. Think about the number of patients (without being intubated) that did not wake up during surgery! It is only around 99.99%

Without an external power source, the device is doomed to fail, I believe natural breathing is insufficient to drive the whole CO2 scrubbing process. Without a compressed gas cylinder or electromechanical motor, the "cleansing" of the expiration breath through the system would be exceedingly difficult for the wearer.

It is unreasonable to expect the wearer to blow into and suck from the device when partial vacuums are naturally created within a closed system. It is just simple logic. My hypothesis is supported by the mention of the inadequacy of one-way valves to stop backflows. Incidentally, one-way valve designs are mature and not expected to improve dramatically -- just look at the complexity of SCUBA gear.

Their attempt to manufacture their way out of the dilemma points to an undeniable fact; The design of the device is fundamentally flawed. Honestly, the inventor/designer ought to have consulted a rudimentary fluid dynamics textbook to determine if the product is feasible in the first place. It does not take years to perfect a one-way valve design!

I am open to being proven wrong. Let us see if February 9th comes, or goes. Finally, I find it highly comical how Dr. Nitschke is trying to distance himself from the whole endeavor after hyping it as the next CBT innovation of the century! ....I wonder how his Sarco product is coming along?

 

[Nymph]

Is that process painful? To breath in the air that's been "cleaned" by the chemical? Maybe it's supposed to take hours to exchange the air and breathe it in

 

[Greenberg]

Is that process painful? To breath in the air that's been "cleaned" by the chemical? Maybe it's supposed to take hours to exchange the air and breathe it in

Depending on the size of the soda lime granules, it might be like breathing through a pillow. I think anything longer than 15mins for onset of unconsciousness would be a deal breaker.