Observations and feedback on SN Exits.

[dysthimia_king]

Hi All,
I write this with a lot of sensitivity and care to both those who ctb'd using this method and those brave souls who witnessed and/documented the process.

It's obvious that due to the availability and accessibility of the SN "items", many chose to exit via this method and as such, it has had a lot of attempts -- successful and otherwise...

There is a lot of subjectivity on both the 'traveler' and the 'observer' of the method and sometimes the details don't come out in a way that other members pursuing this route can put to good use. What I mean is this, when I ctb using this method and self-document or ask a fellow SS'er to witness, the goal is to do it successfully. Now, if there are errors in execution i.e., not following the STAN guidelines, SI kicking in, introducing "other substances" into the SN mix and the outcome fails, we should -- for the benefit of the SS community -- be brutally honest and highlight these shortcomings so that the method, itself, is not perceived as ineffective.

So, if someone threw up immediately but had not taken anti-emetics or someone groans in pain due to not taking painkillers or SI kicks in and they call 911 due to not taking anti-anxiety medication, we cannot then draw the conclusion that SN is not peaceful or effective.

On the other hand, we can learn from the mistakes made and adjust accordingly instead of negatively criticizing OPs. I don't think death, especially when one is making that decision consciously, is easy and we therefore look for affirmation, based on the successes of those gone before us, so that it is tolerable to the end.

I conclude by saying this, if you read up on a failed attempt and, you are not able to identify what went wrong -- in the planning or execution stage --, don't underscore how "ineffective" the method is and discourage others from their end by offering other methods. The site has dedicated subforums for alternatives and so, for the SN method, let's weed out the mistakes in the process and not unnecessarily chastise the individuals who attempted it. Their experiences are an important addition to the SN knowledge base and without them, the success rates of SN would be way lower.

 

[Bong-Hit-Transplant]

I feel like the accessibility and ease of use of SN compels a lot of people who perhaps aren't fully ready to make the decision to CTB and don't end up going the whole 9 yards to make sure the method is wholly effective.

I'm sure if you cut down the sample size to solely people who fasted + used meto + tested their SN, the success rate would be extremely high.

 

[Of The Universe]

If I ever use my SN it will only be after reading and thinking about every word on this site that discusses SN.

 

[dysthimia_king]

I feel like the accessibility and ease of use of SN compels a lot of people who perhaps aren't fully ready to make the decision to CTB and don't end up going the whole 9 yards to make sure the method is wholly effective.

I'm sure if you cut down the sample size to solely people who fasted + used meto + tested their SN, the success rate would be extremely high.

Thanks for seeing my point. I've been looking @trynacbt's preparation and execution and feel like this is the way SN 'opters' should go. Why should we use use people's failure from lack of preparation as the baseline for the SN method? I'm just saying that SN done right can be 'fairly peaceful'.
I guess what I'm trying to say is a combination of these medications, the pyschological state of the individuals plus the mode of preparation (stat vs 48hrs) are variables which when combined result in very many different outcomes.
I don't think anyone is reassured of SN as a reliable method when so many individuals are overlooking the basics. When farewell threads come up on the site, we affectionately wish them safe travels with the unspoken hope that one read up and prepped enough, to choose this method as an exit. CTB is not trivial and neither should the process entailed in the SN method.

If I ever use my SN it will only be after reading and thinking about every word on this site that discusses SN.

Agreed. I can add this, if one reads Stan's Guide on the SN method and follow it to a T, then that should be the only document one would need. But, there are exceptions ranging from trivial: carelessness (being drunk), SI kicking in (calling Emergency personel), family members and neighbors walking in, to the bizzare (falling on the remote control turning music up so loud that cops get called).
All this issues don't lie on the method per se, it's in execution and there are testimonies of individuals saying that if there wasn't any interference, they would have succeeded.
As was stated earlier in the thread by @Bong-Hit-Transplant , if you remove these freak instances, then the success rate for SN would be quite high.