NYT story megathread

[Meretlein]

Instead of posting many different threads, let's share our thoughts here.

 

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hello fellow incels and coercers...

 

[nerve]

 

[Flippy]

Do you think perhaps people might feel more comfortable contributing to this within the Sanctuary? I'm sure the article has drawn a lot of attention and people may feel reluctant to post here. I could be wrong. Just a thought :-)

 

[WrongPlaceWrongTime]

SN supply might be targeted soon, feeling bad for those that need it.
In case this site gets shut down, I would ask how we would access any backups of the site, but an answer to that here will probably lead the LEOs and pro-lifers there as well since they're likely reading this.

Link to the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/09/us/where-the-despairing-log-on.html

 

[Sherri]

Once again, I will Share my story again, I was on the verge of suicide when I first joined and had everything planned. But once I started to chat with other users I fell less alone, decided to look for help and feel much better now than when I first joined. I owe this to this site and it's amazing mods and creators, many of us were saved here. The thing is more should come forward with that fact. Come forward. I met incredible smart and intelligent users here, we have a laugh sometimes and most times we try to help the newbies and make them feel better and rethink any possible self harm they have in mind. That's the precious help I have encountered here by the help of many of you this is my safe cosy house, my dear SS. .

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm probably gonna respond to some of the talking points of these so-called mental health experts that argue against this website in this article. Like their takes are so bad, they're literally asking me to debunk that nonsense.

 

[Flippy]

If it weren't for this site I would be gone, long ago. I would probably have also suffered badly due to a lack of understanding about what I was planning to do. I was planning long before I found SS, I was suicidal decades before SS.

After talking to people on here, I felt like less of a freak. Most days are a struggle still but the people I have encountered here offered support that mental health "services" couldn't be bothered to.

This site is filling a gap that society doesn't want to acknowledge is there. A gap most of us would have fallen into, due to the shamefully lacking support out there, which largely tries to solve the problem without talking about suicidal thoughts in any meaningful way. Professionals shut us up the moment we try to talk about it.

You can't solve a problem by denying it's existence or ignoring people who deal with that problem every day.

It may be an imperfect solution to a complex problem. At least someone is trying to cut the crap and acknowledge the problems people face.

 

[Callie Arcale]

"People idolized him," Ms. Davis, the former member, said of Marquis.

I've been on this site since 2019 and I have never seen anyone idolize Marquis. I've seen people idolize GoodPersonEffed - (and rightly so, given how brilliant she was), but to say that Marquis is our idol is downright scandalous. This statement shows me the journalists behind this piece engage in a shameless attempt to portray us in an unfavourable light. We are not a bunch of brainwashed sheep following some idol blindly into death.

Hey there, "Ms. Davis, former member", could you please provide some evidence for your inflammatory claim? Where are all these threads of adoration you are referring to?!?

 

[ghostghirl]

Just saw the NYT article, and came to see if the site was still up. Very annoyed (but not surprised) to see journalists describing the support that happens here as people "nudging" one another to CTB. Feels similar to the main stream media's refusal to acknowledge that overdose deaths go up in inverse proportion to ever-tightening restrictions on prescription opioids. Can't let the facts get in way of the approved narrative, after all.

 

[Sherri]

Just saw the NYT article, and came to see if the site was still up. Very annoyed (but not surprised) to see journalists describing the support that happens here as people "nudging" one another to CTB. Feels similar to the main stream media's refusal to acknowledge that overdose deaths go up in inverse proportion to ever-tightening restrictions on prescription opioids. Can't let the facts get in way of the approved narrative, after all.

Unfortunately it's not only journalists. They go quiet sometimes and then come and try to take our freedom of speech away.

 

[lostundead]

"People idolized him," Ms. Davis, the former member, said of Marquis.

I've been on this site since 2019 and I have never seen anyone idolize Marquis. I've seen people idolize GoodPersonEffed - (and rightly so, given how special she was), but to say that Marquis is our idol is downright scandalous. This statement shows me the journalists behind this piece engage in a shameless attempt to portray us in an unfavourable light. We are not a bunch of brainwashed sheep following some idol blindly into death.

Hey there, "Ms. Davis, former member", could you please provide some evidence for your inflammatory claim? Where are all these threads of adoration you refer to?!?

Are you sure marquis hasn't mind-controlled you into saying this with his secret special vodoo magic?!

 

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how many guests did we get on one average day? never bothered to check before

 

[Bedrock48]

I feel more like an exhibit in a zoo than human at this moment, if you're just here to gawk and point please kindly find the exit.

We're here because we want to be, we're here because we're in pain, we're here because the mh systems have failed us and we've been shunned from society in a world that fails to accommodate us time and time again.

Focus less of your energy on shutting down a huge beacon of fellowship such as ss. Instead look to rebuilding a mh system that actually helps us and making a world where we want to fucking live in.

Kindest regards,
Bedrock

 

[milly]

Do you think perhaps people might feel more comfortable contributing to this within the Sanctuary? I'm sure the article has drawn a lot of attention and people may feel reluctant to post here. I could be wrong. Just a thought :-)

Total: 375 (members: 61, guests: 314)
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Do you think perhaps people might feel more comfortable contributing to this within the Sanctuary? I'm sure the article has drawn a lot of attention and people may feel reluctant to post here. I could be wrong. Just a thought :-)

is it possible to create member-only threads?

 

[Flippy]

Total: 375 (members: 61, guests: 314)
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is it possible to create member-only threads?

That sure is a lot of guests. Now the question is, what proportion of them are suicidal and have been ushered here by the NYT? And how many are here to gawk at us?

 

[deflationary]

It's pretty pathetic how they mention that this place gets 4 times as many monthly visits as the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline and still fail to draw the conclusion that this forum must offer something very important to people. There's no effort put into understanding why it is that people come here. This whole hullabaloo is sad and pathetic. It's just kinda embarrassing to think about how human beings can be this dumb and yet so confident in being righteous.

 

[Callie Arcale]

Every day, every minute someone commits suicide somwhere in the world. That should be the story.

 

[Flippy]

Yes except I don't have access

I didn't realize that was the case. I thought all members could view that thread. Maybe it is better off here then?

 

[milly]

That sure is a lot of guests. Now the question is, what proportion of them are suicidal and have been ushered here by the NYT? And how many are here to gawk at us?

99.9% gawkers is my guess. Why popularize a site you are so against?

 

[D&D]

Not AGAIN!

A few months ago, I wrote below in the response to the similar article published in some European papers. Given that this time is NYT ... I think I might tell them a thing or two. After all they pride themselves on fair, balanced and objective journalism ... meaning any issue, however controversial must be examined from both/all sides.




Here we go again ... instead of facing the real issues, (however painful they might be), let us deflect, make ourselves feel better by blaming those that suffer the most. How dare they are allowed to get together and share their pain after we (the society) have all but marginalised them!

Not long ago I wrote about my own experience publicly, fully aware that what I said, (extract below), goes against the mainstream, acceptable narrative. Predictably I am receiving flack for it. Also predictably - I don't give a rat's. After all, over 200 years have gone by since Voltaire declared that 'I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.'

Extract:

'A few months later, I came across several initiatives started by grieving parents to ban the forum(s) from existing. I understood their anger. It is a natural reaction. An instinctive reaction deployed to mask the brutal truth hidden beneath it. The real question is not why a suicide forum(s) is allowed to freely exist on the internet, even if one is opposed to such a forum(s) as a matter of principle. Instead, the real question is why their children frequent such a forum(s). Nobody is born suicidal. But everyone is born to someone. To some parents. Placed in their care. What have they done or allowed to have happened to those children to make them join suicide forum(s)? Those are the real questions. The questions people cannot bring themselves to hear. The questions I could not stop asking myself. The suicide forum(s) gave me a window into the dailiness of suicidal. Together with the vocabulary to match. I found myself wishing that at least one of us had come across it earlier. Much earlier ... '

 

[Flippy]

99.9% gawkers is my guess. Why popularize a site you are so against?

Quite possibly, but I suppose this could be the Streisand Effect in action too.

 

[Callie Arcale]

Not AGAIN!

A few months ago, I wrote below in the response to the similar article published in some European papers. Given that this time is NYT ... I think I might tell them a thing or two. After all they pride themselves on fair, balanced and objective journalism ... meaning any issue, however controversial must be examined from both/all sides.




Here we go again ... instead of facing the real issues, (however painful they might be), let us deflect, make ourselves feel better by blaming those that suffer the most. How dare they are allowed to get together and share their pain after we (the society) have all but marginalised them!

Not long ago I wrote about my own experience publicly, fully aware that what I said, (extract below), goes against the mainstream, acceptable narrative. Predictably I am receiving flack for it. Also predictably - I don't give a rat's. After all, over 200 years have gone by since Voltaire declared that 'I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.'

Extract:

'A few months later, I came across several initiatives started by grieving parents to ban the forum(s) from existing. I understood their anger. It is a natural reaction. An instinctive reaction deployed to mask the brutal truth hidden beneath it. The real question is not why a suicide forum(s) is allowed to freely exist on the internet, even if one is opposed to such a forum(s) as a matter of principle. Instead, the real question is why their children frequent such a forum(s). Nobody is born suicidal. But everyone is born to someone. To some parents. Placed in their care. What have they done or allowed to have happened to those children to make them join suicide forum(s)? Those are the real questions. The questions people cannot bring themselves to hear. The questions I could not stop asking myself. The suicide forum(s) gave me a window into the dailiness of suicidal. Together with the vocabulary to match. I found myself wishing that at least one of us had come across it earlier. Much earlier ... '

Is that you, Una? I recognize your signature, but not your username.

 

[Deleted member 8579]

There's no effort put into understanding why it is that people come here.

No effort has been made to understand anything. The entire article is a sensationalist propaganda piece.

 

[D&D]

Is that you, Una? I recognize your signature, but not your username.

It is me my dear Callie ... a returnee. I tried to re-active my old profile, but it was not possible. Never mind.

This NYT article had made me so angry that I am struggling to breath ... my fingers however are typing, Furiously. Forging words like missals. NYT might simply ignore it. I must say it. It is the least I can do. If half of the money and energy put into such and similar self-exonerating propaganda is used to understand the real issues ... this forum and similar such places would more than half its membership if not cease to exist. They only exists because there is nowhere else to go!

 

[intheweeds]

This will probably piss some people off, but it's the truth.

I feel like the article made some good points. Especially the part about encouraging people. No one should ever be encouraged to take their life.
I've been here for a couple years now, and while it doesn't happen often, it has happened and the mods need to step up and do a better job at getting rid of those users who do. It makes us all look bad.

It's one thing to share information with people on how to obtain drugs needed for a peaceful exit, but it's another thing entirely to encourage them to go through with it and I feel like some users here don't understand that at all.

WITH THAT SAID I've also seen a lot of users on here tell people to not do anything impulsively and to carefully think before acting.

 

[Cheza_mus]

Fuck the stopSS gang

 

[deflationary]

No one should ever be encouraged to take their life.

I've never once seen it happen here. Which doesn't mean it never has of course. But got any proof? Even a memory of what exactly you've seen said that you'd consider encouragement?

 

[Kobusu]

Haha holy shit I was thrown in the hospital for a bit for trying to ctb and now SS is in the NYT?

In any event, I think the issue is that the NYT article conflates trying to give people a sense of support in their final moments with actively pushing people to ctb. I don't think I've ever seen it encouraged, it seems to be that people here are just trying to support each other when we're all in this hell.

 

[orange]

if it wasn't for this site I would've taken a paracetamol overose lol