NYT article.

[Shu]

Has anyone listed to the podcast on the top of this page?

‘Kids Are Dying. How Are These Sites Still Allowed?’ (Published 2021)

Inside the Times investigation into a web page that facilitates suicide, and why it has proved so difficult to shut down.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Cathy Ames]

This is just the weirdest thing.

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

What a load of crap by this trash newspaper. To think, I ised to actually read this before they decided to become globalists' mouthpiece.
This site has helped me immensely. Reading others' stories and people's recovery has helped me because just a few short months ago and theblast few years, I was actually looking into buying N. This site helped me understand that I'm not alone and that millions of us suffer. Therapy and conventional treatment doesn't help a lot of us and for me, this community provided much more. People here understand me. I understand others. No judgment.
Your life is yours to live. No one else's. You deserve the freedom to do as you please. Everyone has their own story. Respect others.

 

[london3]

Has anyone listed to the podcast on the top of this page?

‘Kids Are Dying. How Are These Sites Still Allowed?’ (Published 2021)

Inside the Times investigation into a web page that facilitates suicide, and why it has proved so difficult to shut down.

www.nytimes.com

This is a very old article. They are simply pro lifers and do not care about peoples suffering. Kids or minors should not be accessing this site and it is against the rules.

This is a matter of freedom of speech and if laws were broken i am sure law enforcement would of shut this site down a long time ago. Other mental health forums do not allow discussion of this taboo subject, that is why people come here.

I feel sorry for family who have lost loved ones and understand their grief. But surely it is better that people come here and be honest to avoid choosing a method that is very painful? The vast majority of users here do not commit suicide and simply want support and advice. For others who are going to kill themselves, they will find a way no matter what.

 

[keitaro]

LOL. i love how in the middle of this really serious podcast about people dying, they're like, "omg, so we're gonna cook some eggplant" *sizzle sizzle* "oh let's a have drink!" XD

but it is really interesting. i've read some articles, but it's interesting to hear people talk about it.

 

[je.suis.prêt]

Being able to interact with – even as much as see – others who are struggling in similar ways works as a kind of coping mechanism... emotional validation and empathy as opposed to the "just get over it" mindset of society with regard to mental health problems.

Edit: maybe I'll have to remove this edit...

story time: I was at a really dark place in my life. I hadn't discovered SS yet, but I was in such a mental state that I kept ruminating and thinking about suicide. Which led me to read articles, and watch YouTube videos about the subject to somewhat appease my ideation. I read that specific article and that is how I found out about SS. I am still not 'cured', but being able to read the stories and struggles of others helped me. It didn't fix my mental state, but the emotional validation I got from the stories and struggles of others in similar positions to me was a small emotional comfort.

I remember reading through all of the instructions on how to CTB, finding out about SN, finding out about N, and surprise, surprise, I didn't CTB in a manic panic. I still have difficulty getting on with my life, but if I am completely honest with myself, I am not capable of CTB. I go through ideation, and even try to find sources, but I know I – probably – won't. I feel hopeless and despondent, but after being presented with the information, essentially being given a choice, the small part of me wanting to improve things and not end them – kind of – woke up.

so... thank you NYT I guess?

 

[Julgran]

Has anyone listed to the podcast on the top of this page?

‘Kids Are Dying. How Are These Sites Still Allowed?’ (Published 2021)

Inside the Times investigation into a web page that facilitates suicide, and why it has proved so difficult to shut down.

www.nytimes.com

Thank you for sharing!

It baffles me that authors of such articles believe that their articles will have any positive effect on society, since they are just opinion pieces.

Having said that, we can thank them for confirming that the various methods work, whichever were used in those cases

 

[Cathy Ames]

At this point, the Fixers and the NYT between them have facilitated a significant number of suicides, I do believe.

 

[keitaro]

At this point, the Fixers and the NYT between them have facilitated a significant number of suicides, I do believe.

yeah, the news articles are like: "ok, here's this website that gives methods, and here's one method that is simple, affordable, and effective. now you have everything you need to know to easily end your life. stay safe, folks!"

 

[Shu]

Being able to interact with – even as much as see – others who are struggling in similar ways works as a kind of coping mechanism... emotional validation and empathy as opposed to the "just get over it" mindset of society with regard to mental health problems.

Edit: maybe I'll have to remove this edit...

story time: I was at a really dark place in my life. I hadn't discovered SS yet, but I was in such a mental state that I kept ruminating and thinking about suicide. Which led me to read articles, and watch YouTube videos about the subject to somewhat appease my ideation. I read that specific article and that is how I found out about SS. I am still not 'cured', but being able to read the stories and struggles of others helped me. It didn't fix my mental state, but the emotional validation I got from the stories and struggles of others in similar positions to me was a small emotional comfort.

I remember reading through all of the instructions on how to CTB, finding out about SN, finding out about N, and surprise, surprise, I didn't CTB in a manic panic. I still have difficulty getting on with my life, but if I am completely honest with myself, I am not capable of CTB. I go through ideation, and even try to find sources, but I know I – probably – won't. I feel hopeless and despondent, but after being presented with the information, essentially being given a choice, the small part of me wanting to improve things and not end them – kind of – woke up.

so... thank you NYT I guess?

Fixthe26 will never post something like this on their Twitter page though

At this point, the Fixers and the NYT between them have facilitated a significant number of suicides, I do believe.

Indeed they actually have.

 

[LastFlowers]

What a load of crap by this trash newspaper. To think, I ised to actually read this before they decided to become globalists' mouthpiece.

I know what you mean, being (in part) the subject of an article by NYT and witnessing-first hand-the travesty…well, it just accentuated my awareness of how the media unforgivingly perverts the truth and fumbles with the facts.

It makes you wonder if all the paranoia and mistrust of what's presented to us is warranted, a lesson in heightening one's shrewdness and critical thinking.
I used to still think some of the refusal to believe certain things was veering toward a stereotypical "conspiracy theorist" mindset, now I always second guess such conclusions.

This is just the weirdest thing.

Maybe if they stopped insisting on sounding like robots for two seconds, they would stop regurgitating the word "dangerous" like a broken record and start humanizing a community that deserves to be treated with empathy and understanding (and in turn, humanize themselves).

No way can I stomach the whole clip but very early on they said this site gets "4 times as many views as the national suicide prevention website gets, so it's got a significant reach"

Gee. I wonder why..


(..Now that I think about it, is there even an "international" suicide prevention website?
Right before the quote, the woman speaking mentions SS as having members worldwide, so is she implying the whole world is clamoring in line to view one nation's prevention website?)

 

[imtrying]

I'm pretty sure I'll get hated for this post but I actually have no problem with NYT and still read their articles. I agree that the article/Daily podcast episode you were referring to were poorly executed (what were they thinking naming the site and method? It's literally how I found out about this place. That'd be like talking about how bad drugs are by waving them in front of an addicts nose) but I think to some extent what they said makes sense. This site doe do enough to prevent minors accessing it and taking any other stance than they did would have been shocking to everyone and probably enough to make them completely lose their reputation as a reputable outlet. They certainly didn't capture the whole picture (didn't mention the recovery section, accurately describe parts of this site) and that was wrong, but the description was neither very surprising or completely inaccurate. You can't question the fact that those kids did die because of this website and that is a problem that needs to be addresse.

 

[imtrying]

Kids or minors should not be accessing this site and it is against the rules.

I'm sorry but while I agree with most of what you said I think that is completely b.s. "against the rules" can never come close to enough to allowing kids read some of this stuff. There's literally nothing stopping them. I am incredibly grateful to the support this site has provided but just saying "don't use this site" isn't a deterrent and they need more than that. I'm kind of concerned by some of the rhetoric I've seen on this site aiming to escape blame and hide illegal things taking place instead of actually getting rid of illegal things on the site.

 

[Shu]

I just washed this video again and I really don't understand their logic behind including the website in the article I mean I get what they're saying but at the same time it seems that they've drawn more people here than anything




That they are leaving out an entire part of the picture because there are tons of people that try to support one another and help pull each other out of the hole that they're in I don't care what anybody says I've had tons of support here and tons of people even I mean not to leave and ask me to do anything that I can to try to get through what I'm going through
Play or understood being here and I'm not automatically supposed to go to a psych ward or to take medication people actually listens for you
Anyone else without feeling I'm being charged you're feeling less than a human or being afraid of being put in the hospital again
I can't even talk to a therapist about the feeling of wanting to die or the feeling of suicide because they automatically will have you admitted I should be able to talk about these feelings openly without feeling like I'm going to get admitted or feeling like I'm doing something wrong
Or feeling like I'm some freak or weird o for feeling this way.

 

[Doombox]

Because access to information is always the problem.
It's like they think, if it weren't for this site nobody would ever kill themselves again. The truth is that we would, but we would do it in messier, more ignorant ways.
Perhaps they could talk about the stories on this site written by people who experienced intervention and went through things like hospitalizations and could only conclude that with their next attempt they would not fail because intervention is so rarely helpful. "Oh just call the help line!" Right.
Perhaps they could talk about the people who spend time here and realize that the information has given them the power they felt they lacked over their lives and now they could continue to live.
Perhaps they could talk about the recovery section.
Perhaps they could talk about how the site is modded to prevent actually encouraging people to kill themselves.
But none of that drives views like a superficial black/white narrative.

 

[everythingblack]

It opens with an ad .....lol

 

[woe-boy]

As I deal with constant anxieties, I find the entire premise of this article troubling.

I lurk more than I share information. I have only scratched the knowledgeable surface of SN and other methods, but I intend on not indulging unless I really feel the walls closing in on me. I've been doing better lately, and the friends I have made from this website have handed me a lot of love and support through my recent nightmare. I'm not a quitter or an enabler, but it does upset me that they use the example of teenagers who take their own lives. It's possible these minors could've used more painful, harsher methods on themselves and really suffered. Dignity is a two-way street and the typical Christian American does not realize this.

Should I be worried about my personal security on this website? I have probably shared too much with some, but at the same time such is life.

 

[symphony]

As I deal with constant anxieties, I find the entire premise of this article troubling.

I lurk more than I share information. I have only scratched the knowledgeable surface of SN and other methods, but I intend on not indulging unless I really feel the walls closing in on me. I've been doing better lately, and the friends I have made from this website have handed me a lot of love and support through my recent nightmare. I'm not a quitter or an enabler, but it does upset me that they use the example of teenagers who take their own lives. It's possible these minors could've used more painful, harsher methods on themselves and really suffered. Dignity is a two-way street and the typical Christian American does not realize this.

Should I be worried about my personal security on this website? I have probably shared too much with some, but at the same time such is life.

Be cautious but not paranoid. The chances of any one individual user getting doxxed or anything is pretty low, especially if you're not a super prominent member and don't engage with FT26 or anything.

 

[Euthanza]

I just washed this video again and I really don't understand their logic behind including the website in the article I mean I get what they're saying but at the same time it seems that they've drawn more people here than anything




That they are leaving out an entire part of the picture because there are tons of people that try to support one another and help pull each other out of the hole that they're in I don't care what anybody says I've had tons of support here and tons of people even I mean not to leave and ask me to do anything that I can to try to get through what I'm going through
Play or understood being here and I'm not automatically supposed to go to a psych ward or to take medication people actually listens for you
Anyone else without feeling I'm being charged you're feeling less than a human or being afraid of being put in the hospital again
I can't even talk to a therapist about the feeling of wanting to die or the feeling of suicide because they automatically will have you admitted I should be able to talk about these feelings openly without feeling like I'm going to get admitted or feeling like I'm doing something wrong
Or feeling like I'm some freak or weird o for feeling this way.

2:27 "... specifically suicide professionals ..."

There are only assisted suicide professionals and euthanasia professionals.

What kind of profession that the base is to prevent themselves from doing their self proclaimed profession. LOL