Now I'm curious about encouragement

[Tintypographer]

Yesterday's information talked about those who have never been encouraged to commit suicide.

Now I want to know:
.has anyone ever been actively encouraged to commit suicide on here? As in someone was not sure if they wanted to act in self harm or kill themselves and a person either

1) tried to manipulate them into hurting themselves

2) bullied them in a way to make them want to hurt or kill themselves.

3) tried to cheer them on making their decision seem like a requirement or positive event

I would like to find out if anyone has ever been "recruited" or "manipulated" or "bullied" on here as Fixthe26 claims is a regular tactic.

Thank you as always for your feedback.

 

[Chinaski]

Not me officer, l was just standing here, minding my own business.

 

[Noctis]

The closest thing I've seen to encouragement is someone was describing [method] on how they were going to do it. Someone responded with "Nah, that'll just give you a headache. What you've got to do is [slightly altered method]"

 

[little helpers]

maybe I'm going off a tangent but, I'm sure plenty of us has been told at least at some point, by our families or acquaintances irl and on internet, to "go kill ourselves". if people say anything on here that resembles "encouragement" to the normie's eye, it's about making them go through less harm. when in the aforementioned situation, it's about actively abusing someone else.

 

[Tintypographer]

I have never been encouraged or bullied on here. One time my credentials were questioned but that's natural in an anonymous forum when people are trying to make sense of complicated issues.

Each time I have discussed taking my own life people have commiserated with me and shared their own experiences regarding hopeless situations or shared that they felt the same way.

I have posted hundreds of times and I have never been approached or bullied or encouraged to hurt myself or take my own life.

I have never been encouraged or bullied on here. One time my credentials were questioned but that's natural in an anonymous forum when people are trying to make sense of complicated issues.

Each time I have discussed taking my own life people have commiserated with me and shared their own experiences regarding hopeless situations or shared that they felt the same way.

I have posted hundreds of times and I have never been approached or bullied or encouraged to hurt myself or take my own life.

On this site! I have had friends say "maybe you should just kill yourself" in real life.

 

[Smart No More]

There are some posts that tread a fine line on the definition of encouragement and definitely a case of being open to interpretation in some cases. I think what gets overlooked is that there will always be people with mental health issues online anywhere and where there is mental health issues there are going to be some posts/views that cross a line but the general internet and many social sites and apps that aren't geared towards suicide are considered innocent by omission and the people on there that say anything out of line are considered independent of those platforms whereas here, it's any fuel for the fire in they eyes of activists against rtd.

People often see what suits them and don't look at a balanced and bigger picture even though their interlect would otherise allow it.

I only looked on f26 site yesterday for the first time as it was linked in an article on vice that was bought up in a thread here. They had screen shots on their site of some pretty dreadful posts from somebody that had been preyed on by somebody wanting to encourage and 'help' them along their ctb journey and it was clearly worst case scenario. It was a potential murderer offering to kill them painlessly and then dump their body on a beach. There's no justification for that but unfortunately these people exist regardless of this forums existence or not. They are not a result of it and aren't celebrated by its membefs or 'the community'. Also another member had reported the predator and they were arrested a couple of days before the preyed upon member had reluctantly planned but backed out of meeting the person in question. This can be seen from two angles. Both a positive and negative spin can be put on that scenario but didn't justice prevail in the end?

Unfortunately, were there is vulnerability there is manipulation as people with ill will will always look for the path of least resistance.

There will always be posts that cross the line where there is free speach. Free speach is all encompassing and that is unfortunate at times for sure but its literally the balance of nature and unfortunately human nature throws out some pretty bad pennies these days. That should not hinder the good pennies ability to opt out of their suffering however. Right?

It's very hard to mediate free speach as it's a contradiction in terms. A certain amount of common sense has to be assumed when entering into a domain like this. It's not the fault of all members of the forum or the forum itself that bad things happen. More a reflection of mankind and it's downfalls. It's just that you don't see it in full pwrspective on a moderated platform as its taken out of your line of view where possible in fears you will disband said platform.

I don't share the opinion of incels fwiw. I'm not judging either. My opinion is irrelevant. I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not affiliated should somebody from f26 or the likes ever read this post. I'm just somebody with terrible illness that is struggling with the suffering of it and doesn't see a life in front of them. Were someone to offer me a solution I would gladly take it but for some of us that solution doesn't exist and it would be patronising to keep telling me to find help when none exists. This is an unspoken rule around here and as a result does not necessarily appear obvious to onlookers. It's old ground for many so it just goes unspoken as we respect each others right to make that choice for ourselves having been patronised or palmed off many times already.

I would just ask the reader from any side of the scale to please consider both sides of this coin here. If you can offer up a solution that would be so much more fruitful for everyone that outright nay saying and demonising for one side or the other. There has to be middle ground. If not its everything or nothing and that helps nobody in the long run.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

I haven't encouraged anyone on this website.

But I have told suicidal people I come across elsewhere on the Internet about SS and that they can find information to properly kill themselves here.

 

[Tintypographer]

I have absolutely not ever encouraged anyone to commit suicide or self harm. I have categorically recommended that people not ever ingest household chemicals such as bleach or antifreeze for any reason, suicide included.

But I want to know if any of you have ever received encouragement for self harm or suicide or bullying on this forum personally. I have not.

 

[Smart No More]

I haven't really either, although there was a brief interaction with a member a while back that would regularly express their opinion that myself and others clearly didn't want to ctb as a result of us discussing issues surrounding the complexities of inbibing our poison/method of choice.

It's hard to go into specifics due to the rules about method talk but people saying you're not serious and just neck it etc could be seen as encouragement of kinds. It's not a big deal for me. I can take it with a grain of salt as I know that there will always be poeple that are acting on their own misconceptions all over the net. Perhaps more so in this environment. It was a minor incident but I'm sharing for the sake of clarity. It does happen even when unintentional but generally I've had a mostly friendly experience here and I have definitely received a supportive and non judgemental ear that I couldn't find anywhere else. I really felt a feeling of loss and concern over the potential of losing the forum. The new rules about methods and sources were quite disturbing too and I felt/feel lucky to have found the forum beforehand.

I don't think there's a predominant amount of encouragement on this forum by any means and I think that's important to stress. It's certainly not a place that I see healthy people or people with a chance of improvement being goaded into committing suicide. As somebody else pointed out, people find their way here after making their decision to ctb or look at options for a more peaceful method to do so. That's the case for me. I wouldn't have found this place if I wasn't looking for it.

 

[YourNeighbor]

How do you define encouraging suicide?

If it's: (Comment) "I think I want to die;" (Reponse) "You should kill yourself," you won't find much of that here.

If it's: (Comment)"I think I want to die;" (Response) "We should all be able to die to be at peace. I wish you peace," you'll find comments like that on almost any thread.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

I often worry about not being trusted since I so frequently try to dissuade people from several methods specifically.

No one encouraged me when I arrived (or since then, for that matter) and I've certainly never encouraged anyone to take their own life. That's not for me to decide and I think most people here feel the same way.

I do wonder sometimes about one particular post I wrote that might seem to be too helpful. In all honesty, I live in fear of visiting any of these pro-life websites and seeing a screenshot of it. It was far from the worst thing I've seen since I've been here, but I was worn out by constant talk about one method and thought it might be helpful to dispel some misinformation.

 

[Tintypographer]

Thanks all, what I see outside is the following narrative:

"Did you know that a forum run by incels is dedicated to recruiting people and convincing them to commit suicide? Did you know that it exists and that the members there teach unsuspecting children how to best commit suicide and cheer them on? Did you know that this site promotes harm and bullies those who are must vulnerable?"

What I find is ignored are the emotional outpourings of people who have been completely left without hope if conventional therapy and help lines fail. I see that no one ever shares that people listen and support each other here. I see that no one is blocked or warned here because they posted something that could be a trigger. I see that thoughts of suicide in our brains are something that we have to deal with all day every day and our friends and family can't handle the weight of those feelings expressed to them. Here we can actually talk.

I just wanted to see if the tales of "I was on there and hundreds of people tried to convince me to kill myself" have been seen by our regular members. I have not and I've been here for a while.

 

[Messgram]

it's easier for me to be encouraged by reading nonsense from pro-lifers. They remind me that I must coexist with people like them who are the majority (unfortunately) in the world.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

I don't think words have much power. Maybe prolonged bullying and stuff like that would have some effect. Like people often say, no one just accidentally ends up here and is then persuaded into killing themselves, jfl.

 

[maakies]

No one I've spoken to encourages it. Mostly they try to do the opposite here. In a manner of "I'm going to CTB, but I genuinely don't think you should." It's kind of funny - it's happened multiple times now. I'm not really sure where they're getting the encouragement thing.

 

[Smart No More]

No one I've spoken to encourages it. Mostly they try to do the opposite here. In a manner of "I'm going to CTB, but I genuinely don't think you should." It's kind of funny - it's happened multiple times now. I'm not really sure where they're getting the encouragement thing.

People see what thwy want to see. They'll find meanings that suit their agenda in words that were written to say the opposite.