Not every suicidal person is suicidal?

[Un-]

I'm probably mistaken, but I think that people against suicide get the idea of suicide being a temporary problem because people with stories related to suicide frame it weirdly, in some sense.

Like, how many times in a movie have you seen someone supposedly suicidal "saved" by the protagonist - often times easily. Maybe I'm not making sense, but like look at these:




It's just.. I hate to fucking say it because it sounds like I'm gatekeeping shit, but genuinely, it's usually the people who didn't really want to die in the first place - or not seriously, at least - that's shoved everywhere, y'know?

I don't have a problem with it, other than it creates a false misconception of "You really don't want to die if you're suicidal", or "You're not logically thinking out your problems", etcetera. And that's false. We have different reasons, and they're valid - I'm not saying they aren't.

I'm just saying that if Jimmy goes ahead and stars in 50 articles, talking about how the death of his pet puppy made him almost hang himself, but then he remembered that he doesn't want to die because he wanted to see Morbius that weekend.. It's gonna.. Y'know, people are gonna start thinking that something similar applies to a lot of people. People DO think that way. It's why there's such resistance against suicide, because people.. Just don't really understand that just because Jimmy didn't actually want to die, it doesn't mean every other suicidal person is the same as him.

Maybe I'm not making sense. It's just something that's been bothering me lately. How often do you come across an article or something, and the suicidal dude says "Y'know what? I really, really wished I had died. I only failed - literally - because my mom came in the wrong time. I tried kicking her off, and to this day I hate that she's called a hero. I wanted to die. I still want to die.".. You probably won't ever come across something like this. Or I haven't at least.

 

[Luxier78]

I totally get it.

That's why I never understood why they keep telling me "if you get suicidal thoughts, call 999" cause I instantly think: why would I do that if I wanted to die?

Like I get that it can be very impulsive and in these situations a person may be acting without thought, but for me personally, I think this has been one of the calmest thoughts of my life.

I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore, it's just a constant mindset and I feel I should be allowed to leave if I wanted to.

When I OD, the doctors were confused why I wasn't relieved that I had failed...they couldn't fathom that it wasn't an impulsive decision.

 

[Shepherd's boy]

I totally get it.

That's why I never understood why they keep telling me "if you get suicidal thoughts, call 999" cause I instantly think: why would I do that if I wanted to die?

Like I get that it can be very impulsive and in these situations a person may be acting without thought, but for me personally, I think this has been one of the calmest thoughts of my life.

I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore, it's just a constant mindset and I feel I should be allowed to leave if I wanted to.

When I OD, the doctors were confused why I wasn't relieved that I had failed...they couldn't fathom that it wasn't an impulsive decision.

What did you feel during the time your was absorbing the poison? What was your mental state? How was you "saved"?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I totally get it.

That's why I never understood why they keep telling me "if you get suicidal thoughts, call 999" cause I instantly think: why would I do that if I wanted to die?

Like I get that it can be very impulsive and in these situations a person may be acting without thought, but for me personally, I think this has been one of the calmest thoughts of my life.

I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore, it's just a constant mindset and I feel I should be allowed to leave if I wanted to.

When I OD, the doctors were confused why I wasn't relieved that I had failed...they couldn't fathom that it wasn't an impulsive decision.

Yes- I feel EXACTLY this too- same as when you research anything vaguely related to it- all the 'help'-line's pop up and my immediate reaction is f***k off!

I'm not saying they shouldn't- I think help should be easily available if you want to reach out but a lot of suicidal people don't.

My college therapist referred me to my doctor for some antidepressants. She asked about my set-up and I explained I lived alone with no family or friends around. She said this was a very vulnerable situation and may lead me to doing something to myself 'which would be a shame wouldn't it?' She seemed so nice, so I forced an acknowledgement but I really felt like saying- 'You really don't 'get' depression/suicidal thoughts do you? Why would it be a bad thing for me to do something to myself? It's what I want!'

 

[İnilerim]

Saw that reddit thread today and was about to post it too. Made me incredulous how far I way able to scroll down and not find a single relatable story whatsoever (apart from the "procrastination" - type ones).

"I really wanted to die but then I heard this cool song and cried"; that's what they all sound like to me.

 

[FuneralCry]

After all, we live in a pro life society that wants to force us to live until we die from old age. Many people live in denial of the fact that for many people life will never be worth living no matter what and that death can be preferable to living. It is harmful to me the whole 'suicidal thoughts are only temporary things will get better' type thing as it might mean that more suicidal people are 'saved' from attempts against their wishes and have methods restricted as others have this mindset that all suicidal people are irrational. That viewpoint simply doesn't reflect reality, wanting suicide can be a rational response for seeing the world for what it really is.

I wish that instead people were accepting suicide as a choice and a personal decision. For many staying alive is just prolonging suffering. I see no point to enduring this life when instead I could be peacefully not existing.

 

[Un-]

I totally get it.

That's why I never understood why they keep telling me "if you get suicidal thoughts, call 999" cause I instantly think: why would I do that if I wanted to die?

Like I get that it can be very impulsive and in these situations a person may be acting without thought, but for me personally, I think this has been one of the calmest thoughts of my life.

I don't have suicidal thoughts anymore, it's just a constant mindset and I feel I should be allowed to leave if I wanted to.

When I OD, the doctors were confused why I wasn't relieved that I had failed...they couldn't fathom that it wasn't an impulsive decision.

But your experience, and people's experiences like yours, never get broadcasted at all. If they do, they'll say you're delusional, "edgy", or inspiring suicide. I could be wrong, but.. As far as I'm aware, TV shows and YouTube videos that don't portray suicide like how it typically is, are usually critiqued for encouraging it. Just like this forum is.

It's fuel to melt your brain if you think too much about it.

Yes- I feel EXACTLY this too- same as when you research anything vaguely related to it- all the 'help'-line's pop up and my immediate reaction is f***k off!

I'm not saying they shouldn't- I think help should be easily available if you want to reach out but a lot of suicidal people don't.

My college therapist referred me to my doctor for some antidepressants. She asked about my set-up and I explained I lived alone with no family or friends around. She said this was a very vulnerable situation and may lead me to doing something to myself 'which would be a shame wouldn't it?' She seemed so nice, so I forced an acknowledgement but I really felt like saying- 'You really don't 'get' depression/suicidal thoughts do you? Why would it be a bad thing for me to do something to myself? It's what I want!'

I mean a lot of it comes down to world view.. A lot of people don't confront death until it looms over their shoulders. A lot of people can't differentiate between their existence, and other people's experiences. Or they refuse to. Just because you experience what you experience, doesn't mean others can (and do). It wasn't even difficult to find Sasu, nor is it difficult to.. Open your mind to alternative point of views... But people don't do it. I don't know why. I guess people think they know everything.

Saw that reddit thread today and was about to post it too. Made me incredulous how far I way able to scroll down and not find a single relatable story whatsoever (apart from the "procrastination" - type ones).

"I really wanted to die but then I heard this cool song and cried"; that's what they all sound like to me.

That's exactly what it looked like. I was just a pussy in my original post, and I didn't want to call anyone out.. Because, it could genuinely happen that someone who has been depressed and suicidal for years is about to drink Nembutal, but then hears an Insane Clown Posse song and immediately wants to start living again (I hope you see my satire).

I don't know. I don't want to generalise it because it's different. You really do have people that are determined to die, that are thrown off by small things like that. But I think we can all agree that.. It's the narrative only pushed to regular people's faces, and it's causing a lot of problems I suppose.

But complaining about this shit makes people think you want people to kill themselves no matter what. I'm not for that. I just hate.. I guess.. Being grouped up with Cassandra who was depressed for month and then miraculously recovered just as quicky (for context, I've been depressed since childhood).

After all, we live in a pro life society that wants to force us to live until we die from old age. Many people live in denial of the fact that for many people life will never be worth living no matter what and that death can be preferable to living. It is harmful to me the whole 'suicidal thoughts are only temporary things will get better' type thing as it might mean that more suicidal people are 'saved' from attempts against their wishes and have methods restricted as others have this mindset that all suicidal people are irrational. That viewpoint simply doesn't reflect reality, wanting suicide can be a rational response for seeing the world for what it really is.

I wish that instead people were accepting suicide as a choice and a personal decision. For many staying alive is just prolonging suffering. I see no point to enduring this life when instead I could be peacefully not existing.

Yeah, exactly. It's just like I said earlier.. Projecting perspectives. I mean you could argue against yourself, FuneralCry.. A lot of people do. But you can have whatever world view you want - just stop limiting people, y'know? I don't know why life is so.. Ugh.

 

[Luxier78]

What did you feel during the time your was absorbing the poison? What was your mental state? How was you "saved"?

Well it was paracetamol so quite a low success rate. I wasn't saved but rather I just puked it back out but when I had taken it, I was hopeful and then when I woke up the next day, disappointed. But although it wasn't well thought out, I wouldn't say that I regret attempting.

 

[chyme]

I remember first seeing that one comic not long after I had just got back home from being stuck in a psych ward.

It's a wonderful fantasy- I really wish reality could be that simple.
I wish someone "saving" me would be enough to make me want to live somehow.
I wish having an attempt fail or be interrupted would be as romantic as fiction makes it out to be- where I realize how "temporary" my problems are, how thankful I am that I survived....

Yeah haha I completely get what you mean.
It feels like the universe is mocking me when I see things like this.

 

[chloramine]

It's frustrating that the only stories shown are the ones that fit the narrative. It's not even a problem unique to suicide- the only disability stories shown are people who have heroically "overcome" or "pushed past" their roadblocks and. Those stories do have value, but not in isolation. The stories of people struggling and it not working out have just as much value. The idea that struggle must always lead to some form of growth or betterment is unrealistic and so, so isolating. Obviously none of that is the fault of the individuals in those situations- it's a cultural/societal problem. It's great that for some people things work out, but the people for whom it never does deserve just as much of a voice.

 

[Euthanza]

You probably won't ever come across something like this. Or I haven't at least.

Danny Bond. Bond was born with a bowel disease that caused him excruciating pain. At thirteen years old, he started talking about killing himself. Indeed, he did try to kill himself three times. When his mother resuscitated him after his third suicide attempt, he told her that she had let him down by saving him. His condition worsened shortly after he turned twenty-one, and he told his parents that he wanted to die and that he wanted their help. But they knew that assisting him would be a crime. Ultimately, he starved himself to death and asked his parents to stay by his bedside to make sure that his doctors did not treat him. "All he wanted was the privilege to be given an injection that would kill him instantly in seconds, and I had to watch him die in days," his mother lamented.

His parents wanted to help but the laws prohibit the real help (unlike suicide prevention help)