No access to a gun

[happynot]

This would be my preferred method quick and with sure results my problem is I don't have one and it's really difficult to get one without permission so stuck with the sn method any ideas?

 

[Daryl72]

I'm with you as a gun would be quick and almost certain to end it all. I wish I had a backup plan, however with no money or resources, I feel I'm left here to suffer. Agoraphobia is killing me on top of all my other serious conditions like OCD and Severe Depression.

 

[Kapsyl]

Can't you get one legally? Hunting is a legitimate way to access guns which suits our needs (high caliber or shotguns).

 

[Infinite Solipsist]

This would be my preferred method quick and with sure results my problem is I don't have one and it's really difficult to get one without permission so stuck with the sn method any ideas?

Do you access to ammunition in your country? If so, look into slam-fire shotguns. It's basically just two tubes, a pipe cap, and a self-tapping screw as a firing pin. You will need to buy steel tubing (preferably heat treated) that can withstand at least 14,000 PSI. For 12 gauge, the pipe that the shell goes into needs to be close to but no smaller than .729in or 18.5mm diameter. The firing pin tube needs to be slightly larger than the shell tube. You slam the shell against the nail in the pipe cap to operate this device. No wooden buttstock is required for this device when used for this purpose.

 

[Sail_to_Infinity]

So maybe blackpowder gun is option.
6.0'' Derringer cal 0.451 with 2-3g blackpowder has >1000 joules on the exit of the barrel - it is like magnum .357... way more then 9x19 parabellum or .45 ACP even.

 

[happynot]

You need to see a psychiatrist first so...and it takes some months

 

[Midwest_Indigo]

Also struggle with this. I am out of money, and probably can't get one from a shop even if I did have money due to my psych history. I also don't think I could pull the trigger, but here in the US there's a chance of suicide by cops. I'm white though, but I know if I appear like I have something threatening to police, something could happen. But that's also adding way more trauma to the situation... especially if they successfully de-escalate. It's tough. I also know next to nothing about guns and my dad keeps everything protected and in multiple safes in our house. But you're right, it seems like the most painless and simple method as long as the gun doesn't jam and you aim correctly. I have heard of people surviving attempts and it scares me. I wish we had more accessible options without all these barriers (I know that's the point, to not have things be as accessible, but it makes us suffer more).

 

[Linda]

This would be my preferred method quick and with sure results my problem is I don't have one and it's really difficult to get one without permission so stuck with the sn method any ideas?

There are many ways of dying by suicide, and most of them are discussed extensively on this site. Use the search feature.
There are also many methods that do sometimes work but for which the risk of failure is high unless you really know what you are doing. (Cutting your wrists, which you mentioned in one of your posts, is such a method. You could easily survive, but lose the use of your hand.)
Why do you want to ctb?

 

[Kapsyl]

I wish we had more accessible options without all these barriers (I know that's the point, to not have things be as accessible, but it makes us suffer more).

I would argue you already have access to the most effective suicide method (guns). If I had the chance to simply walk up to a gun store and purchase a shotgun I would already done so.

Have you been involuntarily committed into a psychiatric hospital? If no there's a good chance you still be able to purchase a firearm of your choice.

If you don't wish to turn your head into a scrambled mess there are alternatives, even very affordable ones! But I would hardly say the US doesn't provide its citizens with definitive accessible methods. They might not be ideal but they're there, gotta pay premium for the more peaceful methods like N or N2.

 

[Midwest_Indigo]

I would argue you already have access to the most effective suicide method (guns). If I had the chance to simply walk up to a gun store and purchase a shotgun I would already done so.

Have you been involuntarily committed into a psychiatric hospital? If no there's a good chance you still be able to purchase a firearm of your choice.

If you don't wish to turn your head into a scrambled mess there are alternatives, even very affordable ones! But I would hardly say the US doesn't provide its citizens with definitive accessible methods. They might not be ideal but they're there, gotta pay premium for the more peaceful methods like N or N2.

Oh, true! I guess I just meant in terms of overcoming survival instinct, I wish we had more accessible methods like doctor-assisted to help if the person consents.

Yep, I've been involuntarily committed. I think my name would be flagged (I forget for how many years), but there are quite a few private sellers so it wouldn't be too hard.

True about the paying premium for more peaceful methods. There are technically so many options, but they all have so many pros and cons, it can be exhausting. And there's options that don't cost anything that I've faced like jumping but the strength to complete that, the way I've hesitated... it's tough too (can only speak from my experience)

 

[Kapsyl]

Oh, true! I guess I just meant in terms of overcoming survival instinct, I wish we had more accessible methods like doctor-assisted to help if the person consents.

Yep, I've been involuntarily committed. I think my name would be flagged (I forget for how many years), but there are quite a few private sellers so it wouldn't be too hard.

True about the paying premium for more peaceful methods. There are technically so many options, but they all have so many pros and cons, it can be exhausting. And there's options that don't cost anything that I've faced like jumping but the strength to complete that, the way I've hesitated... it's tough too (can only speak from my experience)

In my experience, overcoming SI is best accomplished by doing it spontaneously in a particular bad day/suicidal episode. I couldn't image doing the whole SN routine with fasting/pills then drinking the liquid and waiting 10 min for your death. Guns are literally a trigger pull away from suffering.

All through this may not be enough, my method only requires a minute or so but evidently I'm still here

Doctor assisted suicides should be a no brainer for the terminal ill or particular bad cases. But could you image the process for otherwise functioning individuals, stating your reasons to die advocating why you're not supposed to live? The whole process would be humiliating, but it's needed for be absolutely sure.

Here comes the argument of the land of the free, you're available to take matters into your own hands by alternative methods. I can't directly recommend any as it's against the rules but a shotgun is extremely reliable if done correctly.

As with many other things in your country, money talks. But firearms are a relatively cheap method for what you get. Gotta pay a premium for something different.

 

[Illegal Preclear]

This would be my preferred method quick and with sure results my problem is I don't have one and it's really difficult to get one without permission so stuck with the sn method any ideas?

You need to see a psychiatrist first so...and it takes some months

May I ask what country you're in so I can get a better idea of the legality of your situation? I'm in the US - you may think it's a breeze to get a gun here but in various cases it's not. If you're Disabled, especially with a mental illness, in some places in the US (like where I am) it can be treated as a DE FACTO crime to even attempt to apply for a firearm purchasing license (as in even if they can't legally put you in jail, they'll incarcerate you in a Psychiatric Institution for just as long if not longer).

If you're in a place where attempting to legally apply for or purchase a gun carries no other consequence other than being denied - GO FOR IT! If you have to see a Psychiatrist - you can always lie to them. "Yes doctor, I am a healthy average person, my home was broken into last month and even though I would never want to use it, having a shotgun would help me feel more secure."

A shotgun to the head is the Gold Standard of CTB methods. Even if it takes months, it's worth the wait. Is there a deadline to your CTB? As in you're going to be homeless, incarcerated, incapacitated or some other set of circumstances that would make it a lot harder to CTB if you don't do it right away?

If not - I can't stress enough how much a shotgun is worth the wait.

 

[Infinite Solipsist]

Here's a decent video of the concept I was talking about earlier in the thread:
Super cheap to build if you have access to a power drill but you should probably put some red loctite on the threads or better yet, weld the endcap if you know how to do that.

 

[LostSoul1965]

Here's a decent video of the concept I was talking about earlier in the thread:
Super cheap to build if you have access to a power drill but you should probably put some red loctite on the threads or better yet, weld the endcap if you know how to do that.

I suppose in theory there is a potential to be lethal with this but watching it being fired there is no way to keep it steady and get precise aim. Even with normal guns you have to be steady and aim correctly to ensure your best chance of CTB. I think the room for error and failure would be way too great to risk using one of these. If you fail with a gun you are in for a world of pain and potential injury.

 

[happynot]

There are many ways of dying by suicide, and most of them are discussed extensively on this site. Use the search feature.
There are also many methods that do sometimes work but for which the risk of failure is high unless you really know what you are doing. (Cutting your wrists, which you mentioned in one of your posts, is such a method. You could easily survive, but lose the use of your hand.)
Why do you want to ctb?

I have lost my family

 

[happynot]

May I ask what country you're in so I can get a better idea of the legality of your situation? I'm in the US - you may think it's a breeze to get a gun here but in various cases it's not. If you're Disabled, especially with a mental illness, in some places in the US (like where I am) it can be treated as a DE FACTO crime to even attempt to apply for a firearm purchasing license (as in even if they can't legally put you in jail, they'll incarcerate you in a Psychiatric Institution for just as long if not longer).

If you're in a place where attempting to legally apply for or purchase a gun carries no other consequence other than being denied - GO FOR IT! If you have to see a Psychiatrist - you can always lie to them. "Yes doctor, I am a healthy average person, my home was broken into last month and even though I would never want to use it, having a shotgun would help me feel more secure."

A shotgun to the head is the Gold Standard of CTB methods. Even if it takes months, it's worth the wait. Is there a deadline to your CTB? As in you're going to be homeless, incarcerated, incapacitated or some other set of circumstances that would make it a lot harder to CTB if you don't do it right away?

If not - I can't stress enough how much a shotgun is worth the waiting

Europe Greece, you need permission for a shotgun it will take some months and I cannot wait that much it's decided
Europe Greece, you need permission for a shotgun it will take some months and I cannot wait that much it's decided

 

[Infinite Solipsist]

I suppose in theory there is a potential to be lethal with this but watching it being fired there is no way to keep it steady and get precise aim.

I didn't consider that. I think you could use something like pic related to keep it steady. The barrel half of the gun shouldn't be able to move once the receiver tube is clamped down in a 360 swivel vise. I see a couple of different options on Amazon for under $20

 

[Linda]

I have lost my family

What happened? When did it happen?

Europe Greece, you need permission for a shotgun it will take some months and I cannot wait that much it's decided
Europe Greece, you need permission for a shotgun it will take some months and I cannot wait that much it's decided

It sounds to me as though you are rushing this. Rushing into ctb is almost never a good idea. I think you should slow down. (The option to ctb isn't going to go away if you wait for a while.)

 

[Mebius]

Guns are the only proper way to suicide, you will fear the afterlife way less than if you took a "slow acting" poison.

 

[Linda]

Guns are the only proper way to suicide, you will fear the afterlife way less than if you took a "slow acting" poison.

I have to say that's one of the less sensible comments I have seen on this site. There are many ways to ctb, and I can't see that using a gun is any better than many others. I certainly won't use a gun when my time comes, even though I own one, as I hate the idea of that method (for me). I want to go out peacefully.
As for "the afterlife", I don't believe there is one.

 

[Mebius]

I have to say that's one of the less sensible comments I have seen on this site. There are many ways to ctb, and I can't see that using a gun is any better than many others. I certainly won't use a gun when my time comes, even though I own one, as I hate the idea of that method (for me). I want to go out peacefully.
As for "the afterlife", I don't believe there is one.

I very recently tried the SN methode and even that was still not super peaceful for me (I was still scared of hell even though I try to convince myself hard its either reincarnation or nothingness).

 

[Linda]

I very recently tried the SN methode and even that was still not super peaceful for me (I was still scared of hell even though I try to convince myself hard its either reincarnation or nothingness).

I will ctb if my hsband dies before me. I will head far out into the wilderness, in cold weather, and fade away from hypothermia. It's a peaceful way to go. I have spent a lot of time in the outdoors, and would be happy to die there. Also I understand hypothermia, as in the past I had to take care to avoid it. That method isn't for everyone, but it's the right one for me.
There are lots of other methods availabl. Nothing special about guns.
You could try growing up. Religious fantasy is for kids who aren't able to think. There is no evidence for reincarnation, or for any kind of afterlife, so why do you believe in them? Those things were invented by people who were scared of their own mortality, wanted immortality, knew they couldn't get it in this world, so invented a fantasy world where they could get it.

 

[Mebius]

I will ctb if my hsband dies befor me. I will head far out into the wilderness, in cold weather, and fade away from hypothermia. It's a peaceful way to go. I have spent a lot of time in the outdoors, and would be happy to die there. Also I understand hypothermia, as in the past I had to take care to avoid it. That method isn't for everyone, but it's the right one for me.
There are lots of other methods availabl. Nothing special about guns.
You could try growing up. Religious fantasy is for kids who aren't able to think. There is no evidence for reincarnation, or for any kind of afterlife, so why do you believe in them? Those things were invented by people who were scared of their own mortality, wanted immortality, knew they couldn't get it in this world, so invented a fantasy world where they could get it.

Reincarnation as in the universe resets over and over after the big crunch, I might be born a different person and all. This one isnt too crazy. Think about it, the billions of years before existence, it would probably reset again and all.

 

[Sail_to_Infinity]

I will ctb if my hsband dies befor me. I will head far out into the wilderness, in cold weather, and fade away from hypothermia. It's a peaceful way to go. I have spent a lot of time in the outdoors, and would be happy to die there. Also I understand hypothermia, as in the past I had to take care to avoid it. That method isn't for everyone, but it's the right one for me.
There are lots of other methods availabl. Nothing special about guns.
You could try growing up. Religious fantasy is for kids who aren't able to think. There is no evidence for reincarnation, or for any kind of afterlife, so why do you believe in them? Those things were invented by people who were scared of their own mortality, wanted immortality, knew they couldn't get it in this world, so invented a fantasy world where they could get it.

Nicely described and I fully agree. There are many people for whom this fantasy keeps them alive or helps them somehow survive to its end, let's not judge or advise from our perspective - each of them is different in this universe.

 

[Linda]

Nicely described and I fully agree. There are many people for whom this fantasy keeps them alive or helps them somehow survive to its end, let's not judge or advise from our perspective - each of them is different in this universe.

I'm not judging, but there is no way I'm going to let religious nonsense go unchallenged. It has done far too much harm in the world.
I know that many people find comfort in that kind of fantasy, but that doesn't mean we should encourage it. I think it was Bertrand Russell who remarked, in this context, that a drunken man may be happier than one who is sober, but that's no reason to encourage drunkenness.

 

[happynot]

There are many ways of dying by suicide, and most of them are discussed extensively on this site. Use the search feature.
There are also many methods that do sometimes work but for which the risk of failure is high unless you really know what you are doing. (Cutting your wrists, which you mentioned in one of your posts, is such a method. You could easily survive, but lose the use of your hand.)
Why do you want to ctb?

I very recently tried the SN methode and even that was still not super peaceful for me (I was still scared of hell even though I try to convince myself hard its either reincarnation or nothingness).

Sorry to ask but what happened and you failed?

May I ask what country you're in so I can get a better idea of the legality of your situation? I'm in the US - you may think it's a breeze to get a gun here but in various cases it's not. If you're Disabled, especially with a mental illness, in some places in the US (like where I am) it can be treated as a DE FACTO crime to even attempt to apply for a firearm purchasing license (as in even if they can't legally put you in jail, they'll incarcerate you in a Psychiatric Institution for just as long if not longer).

If you're in a place where attempting to legally apply for or purchase a gun carries no other consequence other than being denied - GO FOR IT! If you have to see a Psychiatrist - you can always lie to them. "Yes doctor, I am a healthy average person, my home was broken into last month and even though I would never want to use it, having a shotgun would help me feel more secure."

A shotgun to the head is the Gold Standard of CTB methods. Even if it takes months, it's worth the wait. Is there a deadline to your CTB? As in you're going to be homeless, incarcerated, incapacitated or some other set of circumstances that would make it a lot harder to CTB if you don't do it right away?

If not - I can't stress enough how much a shotgun is worth the wait.

No I am just afraid to lie and think they will see that I am taking medication from depression

May I ask what country you're in so I can get a better idea of the legality of your situation? I'm in the US - you may think it's a breeze to get a gun here but in various cases it's not. If you're Disabled, especially with a mental illness, in some places in the US (like where I am) it can be treated as a DE FACTO crime to even attempt to apply for a firearm purchasing license (as in even if they can't legally put you in jail, they'll incarcerate you in a Psychiatric Institution for just as long if not longer).

If you're in a place where attempting to legally apply for or purchase a gun carries no other consequence other than being denied - GO FOR IT! If you have to see a Psychiatrist - you can always lie to them. "Yes doctor, I am a healthy average person, my home was broken into last month and even though I would never want to use it, having a shotgun would help me feel more secure."

A shotgun to the head is the Gold Standard of CTB methods. Even if it takes months, it's worth the wait. Is there a deadline to your CTB? As in you're going to be homeless, incarcerated, incapacitated or some other set of circumstances that would make it a lot harder to CTB if you don't do it right away?

If not - I can't stress enough how much a shotgun is worth the wait.

No I am just afraid to lie and think they will see that I am taking medication from depression

What happened? When did it happen?

It sounds to me as though you are rushing this. Rushing into ctb is almost never a good idea. I think you should slow down. (The option to ctb isn't going to go away if you wait for a while.)

Yes you are right thank you, I have lost them some months ago in an accident so I now what I want but I cannot access a gun so started thinking alternatives like an but rush I go to therapy go out etc but still

 

[Mebius]

Sorry to ask but what happened and you failed?

Low Dose SN Result (Failure)

Protocol: 08:00 PM 10mg Domperidone, No Food (I didn't eat much anyway), Low Amount of Water 12:00 AM 40mg Propanolol 02:00 AM 300mg Propanolol 03:00 30mg Domperidone, 300mg Propanolol 03:30 400 mg Propanolol, 1000mg Paracetamol 04:00 AM 5g of SN with Rizla Paper Some Change of Plans: - Refuse...

sanctioned-suicide.net

When your mind realizes youre dying it makes you anxious no matter how hard you try. Though in my case it was still small and not dread and regret inducing.

 

[Linda]

Sorry to ask but what happened and you failed?

No I am just afraid to lie and think they will see that I am taking medication from depression

No I am just afraid to lie and think they will see that I am taking medication from depression

Yes you are right thank you, I have lost them some months ago in an accident so I now what I want but I cannot access a gun so started thinking alternatives like an but rush I go to therapy go out etc but still

My advice would be to wait until at last a year has passed since you lost your family. You are dealing with a bereavement, and the pain of that always decreases over time. It may never go away completely, but it should reduce to a level that allows you to get on with you life.
Get some therapy if you can. If you can get the right therapist it will help.
Also, talk to other people who have lost people close to them. They will understand what you are going through, and will be able to offer you good advice.
I don't think ctb is the right way forward for you. It certainly isn't the right way forward for you yet.

 

[happynot]

My advice would be to wait until at last a year has passed since you lost your family. You are dealing with a bereavement, and the pain of that always decreases over time. It may never go away completely, but it should reduce to a level that allows you to get on with you life.
Get some therapy if you can. If you can get the right therapist it will help.
Also, talk to other people who have lost people close to them. They will understand what you are going through, and will be able to offer you good advice.
I don't think ctb is the right way forward for you. It certainly isn't the right way forward for you yet.

Thanks so much for you words I know, I do therapy and I take my meds but I don't want to continue without them it's the pain I cannot handle, if I had a gun I would have done it already... everyone says it will be ok but I won't

 

[Linda]

Thanks so much for you words I know, I do therapy and I take my meds but I don't want to continue without them it's the pain I cannot handle, if I had a gun I would have done it already... everyone says it will be ok but I won't

You're not the first person to lose your family and you won't be the last. What you need to do now is concentrate on getting though the next few months. Things will improve eventually. (I never say that unless I know it's true.)