News article about SaSu

[leandra]

Hii, can you guys link me articles you came across that speak of Sasu plez. Im interested in reading about the image in which they paint us in.
Preferably nothing older than a year, thanks!

 

[Knoc]

We famous in this bitch, hella clout, gotta launch my mixtape and merch

 

[leandra]

We famous in this bitch, hella clout, gotta launch my mixtape and merch

Mama i made it!

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

We need to talk about suicide

unherd.com

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Curious as to why you want us to link them? Are you unable to type "sanctionedsuicide" into Google?

 

[leandra]

Curious as to why you want us to link them? Are you unable to type "sanctionedsuicide" into Google?

Many articles don't mention the site by name for obvious reasons

We need to talk about suicide

unherd.com

Thankss

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Many articles don't mention the site by name for obvious reasons

Ha. Really, all you need to do is type in "BBC" and "suicide" and you'll find plenty.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yjr48e4eo

 

[Michi_Violeta]

We need to talk about suicide

unherd.com

"They will deny there is ever such a thing as having the better part of your mind taken over by hostile forces. It is always you who is ultimately in charge, for better or worse; even in the throes of depression and loneliness, enticed by the warm words of fake friends, on an apparently welcoming website."

Great, more judgment from a privileged person who hasn't lived through the pain I've gone through. The author just sprinkled it with historical trivia and faux-intellectualism, but it's all just a wordy and pedantic way of not saying anything while being patronizing at the same time. Always that reductionist and unsympathetic "Life can always get better if you work for it" attitude that is oh-so-politically correct and sounds wonderful when you're not the one who has to get through the work and aren't the one going through chemo or chronic depression or CPTSD or a terminal illness. Still better than the bullshit one-sided hit-pieces written by the BBC, though not by much because other articles from her are worse.

"I once worked in a nursing home and a lot of my time there was spent dealing with incontinence: not much fun, either for the resident or the carer. Still, in the right sort of setting, both become accustomed and can look past it to more important things. The venerable Kantian-inspired ideal is that in periods of frailty, you can retain dignity in spite of what is happening to you physically; and this is recognised when carers look after you in non-instrumental, respectful ways that acknowledge your intrinsic human worth."

Oh, goodie, you worked at a nursing home and read Kant. Big fucking whoop. I know you may read this, Kathleen, because you've even directly quoted some people in this forum: try reading some Adam Smith, another philosopher inspired by the great Hume, and try to fit a bit of empathy in that narrow bullshit receptacle you call "categorical imperative." Because, spoiler alert, Hegel already showed the flaws of the categorical imperative and empathy triumphs where Kant's practical reason fails. There's a reason why my thesis advisor openly mocked Kant in class as the sort of guy who would've said: "Yes, Obersturmführer, I'm hiding enemies of the state, my categorical imperative forbids me from lying."

It's no surprise the author is against assisted dying. It's always easy judging others when you got it good, when you parade around life pretending to be suffering while simultaneously telling others they have no right to feel what they feel, that they must live life on your terms. If anything, Kathleen, Kant put a very high price on autonomy and all his ethical project was an attempt to prove we have free will (third antinomy, give it a read). People are not a means to an end, we're ends in ourselves and good old Kant, as any decent Kantian reader will know, wasn't ready to admit the consequences of his thought because of his religious values. But, again, it's too easy to forget the intricacies of Königsberg's finest when you're just twisting his words to fit your bigoted narrative and you're hellbent on defining dignity for others, now where's the autonomy in that?

 

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-investigates-online-suicide-forum-linked-dozens-deaths/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro-suicide-website-slammed-coroner-145035241.html

 

[Namelesa]

We need to talk about suicide

unherd.com

MY TITLE IS IN THE ARTICLE. I HAVE BEEN NOTICED!!


tho its sightly incorrect but whatever I am proud of getting attention by the writer.

 

[Michi_Violeta]

MY TITLE IS IN THE ARTICLE. I HAVE BEEN NOTICED!!

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tho its sightly incorrect but whatever I am proud of getting attention by the writer.

LMAOOO I was gonna tag you because I recognized it immediately, but I didn't want to spoil it

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@Michi_Violeta oh great another article about this site! Yes it was very wordy, most of it went over my head tbh.

I had to laugh at this-even Mumsnet users worry about what their favourite site does to their mental health. Quite frankly, this one seems a lot worse. having been on mumsnet (purely because they have good debates) it can be a very vicious place. They will character assassinate anyone they take a dislike to and then other posters will all pile on. I made the mistake of making a thread asking for advice for a family situation and they made me feel like shit. I have no doubt some mumsnet users get worse MH just by going on there. That's the type of site that does make you feel worse because they are so personal and horrible. I did finally get used to the communication style and grow a thicker skin but it's almost scary asking for advice on there.

This site is way tamer in comparison! If you spilled your guts out here the vast majority of the time you'd get empathy not personal attacks. I really think those of us with depression tend to have a lot more empathy-the normies just solve issues by banning everything or telling people to get a grip and deal with their issues because they've never had to face any of this stuff until their kid or other family member becomes suicidal. Then surprise surprise it becomes ALL about parents-And it is roughly as you might expect: namely, every loving parent's nightmare. how bloody predictable, never mind what we're going through, the parents are the real victims here I suppose they'll call us victims after we're dead though and they can use us for their own agenda getting the site shut down.

 

[Michi_Violeta]

@Michi_Violeta oh great another article about this site! Yes it was very wordy, most of it went over my head tbh.

I had to laugh at this-even Mumsnet users worry about what their favourite site does to their mental health. Quite frankly, this one seems a lot worse. having been on mumsnet (purely because they have good debates) it can be a very vicious place. They will character assassinate anyone they take a dislike to and then other posters will all pile on. I made the mistake of making a thread asking for advice for a family situation and they made me feel like shit. I have no doubt some mumsnet users get worse MH just by going on there. That's the type of site that does make you feel worse because they are so personal and horrible. I did finally get used to the communication style and grow a thicker skin but it's almost scary asking for advice on there.

This site is way tamer in comparison! If you spilled your guts out here the vast majority of the time you'd get empathy not personal attacks. I really think those of us with depression tend to have a lot more empathy-the normies just solve issues by banning everything or telling people to get a grip and deal with their issues because they've never had to face any of this stuff until their kid or other family member becomes suicidal. Then surprise surprise it becomes ALL about parents-And it is roughly as you might expect: namely, every loving parent's nightmare. how bloody predictable, never mind what we're going through, the parents are the real victims here I suppose they'll call us victims after we're dead though and they can use us for their own agenda getting the site shut down.

Trust me, behind all that wordy babble there's not much of an actual academic or intellectual argument. It's just a show-off facade to hide a very simple idea: "People must be forced to live, no matter what they desire or what they're suffering, because my particularly narrow worldview says so."

It's interesting that you have an experience with that other site the author mentions and, yeah, from my experience this has been a very supporting and understanding community. Bad actors and drama are the exception, there's no popularity contests, and nobody cheers you on and tells you to commit suicide with a smile on their face like Ofcom imagines.

Empathy is based on imagination and imagination draws heavily upon previous experiences. It's impossible for someone to understand exactly what other person is going through, but they can imagine it and empathize. Trouble is some people don't even give empathy a chance, no, they know better: they were sad once so they're qualified to judge everyone's sadness, nuance be damned.

I don't think this website is a loving parent's worse nightmare. If anything, it's the nightmare of a bad parent who can't admit they ruined their son/daughter's life and will look for anyone else to blame before they look at themselves in the mirror. I've seen that in a funeral before, a dad crying his heart out, woe is me, while we all knew his daughter killed herself largely in part to the dysfunctional family life she had to live through, because her dad was a cheating and violent asshole. But hey, some wordy "expert" online says we're worse than Mumsnet, so it must be true!

 

[SilentSadness]

We need to talk about suicide

unherd.com

That's a lot of words to say next to nothing, this article seems whatever but it's condescending how they occasionally drop pro life bias like "pro-suicide websites", "dramatic story arcs" and citing the BBC as a reliable source. They should stop trying to act smart with their philosophy whatever and just read what every user is saying about why they use the site and why it's valuable to them.

 

[artificialpasta]

The dumb thing about these reports is they directly drive people here. This is the only suicide forum of its size on the open web, and it's indexed on Google. So hiding the name doesn't do anything.

 

[Pale_Rider]

If it wasnt for those reports I would have never discovered this place.

 

[-nobodyknows-]

Have any of you ever been contacted by someone asking to interview you? With the number of articles about this site, I'd be surprised if no one ever was

 

[Saturn_]

Have any of you ever been contacted by someone asking to interview you? With the number of articles about this site, I'd be surprised if no one ever was

Personally, no. I haven't ever heard of that happening to anyone I've talked to from here, either. Just adding my anecdote, but it'd be interesting if anyone was. I guess you could say nobody knows the answer to that.

 

[-nobodyknows-]

I guess you could say nobody knows the answer to that.

Fucking hell… why did I choose this username…

 

[SmilingNoMore]

MY TITLE IS IN THE ARTICLE. I HAVE BEEN NOTICED!!

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tho its sightly incorrect but whatever I am proud of getting attention by the writer.

a lot of people just write "Student" Well done @Namelesa

 

[Namelesa]

a lot of people just write "Student"

Yea they didn't realise users don't set their title to that and thats just an automatic title given with the forums ranking system

 

[Michi_Violeta]

Yea they didn't realise users don't set their title to that and thats just an automatic title given with the forums ranking system

Are you questioning someone who wrote "Warlock"?

 

[Namelesa]

Are you questioning someone who wrote "Warlock"?

To be honest I didn't notice the title they were using was a default rank title applied to them as i don't remember every rank. I just wanted to say about why so many users are having "student" to anyone that sees this thread.

 

[Forever Sleep]

"They will deny there is ever such a thing as having the better part of your mind taken over by hostile forces. It is always you who is ultimately in charge, for better or worse; even in the throes of depression and loneliness, enticed by the warm words of fake friends, on an apparently welcoming website."

Great, more judgment from a privileged person who hasn't lived through the pain I've gone through. The author just sprinkled it with historical trivia and faux-intellectualism, but it's all just a wordy and pedantic way of not saying anything while being patronizing at the same time. Always that reductionist and unsympathetic "Life can always get better if you work for it" attitude that is oh-so-politically correct and sounds wonderful when you're not the one who has to get through the work and aren't the one going through chemo or chronic depression or CPTSD or a terminal illness. Still better than the bullshit one-sided hit-pieces written by the BBC, though not by much because other articles from her are worse.

"I once worked in a nursing home and a lot of my time there was spent dealing with incontinence: not much fun, either for the resident or the carer. Still, in the right sort of setting, both become accustomed and can look past it to more important things. The venerable Kantian-inspired ideal is that in periods of frailty, you can retain dignity in spite of what is happening to you physically; and this is recognised when carers look after you in non-instrumental, respectful ways that acknowledge your intrinsic human worth."

Oh, goodie, you worked at a nursing home and read Kant. Big fucking whoop. I know you may read this, Kathleen, because you've even directly quoted some people in this forum: try reading some Adam Smith, another philosopher inspired by the great Hume, and try to fit a bit of empathy in that narrow bullshit receptacle you call "categorical imperative." Because, spoiler alert, Hegel already showed the flaws of the categorical imperative and empathy triumphs where Kant's practical reason fails. There's a reason why my thesis advisor openly mocked Kant in class as the sort of guy who would've said: "Yes, Obersturmführer, I'm hiding enemies of the state, my categorical imperative forbids me from lying."

It's no surprise the author is against assisted dying. It's always easy judging others when you got it good, when you parade around life pretending to be suffering while simultaneously telling others they have no right to feel what they feel, that they must live life on your terms. If anything, Kathleen, Kant put a very high price on autonomy and all his ethical project was an attempt to prove we have free will (third antinomy, give it a read). People are not a means to an end, we're ends in ourselves and good old Kant, as any decent Kantian reader will know, wasn't ready to admit the consequences of his thought because of his religious values. But, again, it's too easy to forget the intricacies of Königsberg's finest when you're just twisting his words to fit your bigoted narrative and you're hellbent on defining dignity for others, now where's the autonomy in that?

I tend to avoid articles about the forum because I know they'll wind me up.

I also worked in a nursing home briefly and I've witnessed family members age and deteriorate. Granted, some were happier about their situation than others. Some were absolutely ready to leave this life though. Plenty didn't enjoy the indignity and discomfort of soiling themselves and having to rely on others to clean it up. It's something both parties tried to accept and do with dignity. Until of course alzeimers really took a hold and they perceived care as an attack. In which case, they would scream and punch, scratch and try to bite. Witnessing that, trying to calm them down was incredibly distressing for both parties. I think the sheer fact that most of the patients had signed 'Do Not Rescuscitate' forms was very telling. If they were really so keen on living like that, why would they object to being 'saved'? I can say first hand that plenty of people in those situations long for death way before it comes.

If people get something out of being a martyr or, they genuinely still find something good about life to want to hang on then- great. It's not to say that's impossible. It's simply not for everyone though and there's no way I want to go through it. There'll be no reason for me to either. I have no dependents. By that point, I doubt I'll have any close family left. Why would I even want to put myself and others through that? I'd hate to have to rely on anyone like that. My independence is so important to me. Why do we think it's ok to strip people of that?

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Trust me, behind all that wordy babble there's not much of an actual academic or intellectual argument. It's just a show-off facade to hide a very simple idea: "People must be forced to live, no matter what they desire or what they're suffering, because my particularly narrow worldview says so."

It's interesting that you have an experience with that other site the author mentions and, yeah, from my experience this has been a very supporting and understanding community. Bad actors and drama are the exception, there's no popularity contests, and nobody cheers you on and tells you to commit suicide with a smile on their face like Ofcom imagines.

Empathy is based on imagination and imagination draws heavily upon previous experiences. It's impossible for someone to understand exactly what other person is going through, but they can imagine it and empathize. Trouble is some people don't even give empathy a chance, no, they know better: they were sad once so they're qualified to judge everyone's sadness, nuance be damned.

I don't think this website is a loving parent's worse nightmare. If anything, it's the nightmare of a bad parent who can't admit they ruined their son/daughter's life and will look for anyone else to blame before they look at themselves in the mirror. I've seen that in a funeral before, a dad crying his heart out, woe is me, while we all knew his daughter killed herself largely in part to the dysfunctional family life she had to live through, because her dad was a cheating and violent asshole. But hey, some wordy "expert" online says we're worse than Mumsnet, so it must be true!

Yeah I thought that was the gist but I was like damn this is hard to read, mind you she is some sort of philosopher apparently so I guess that's why! I've spent way too long browsing mumsnet threads tbh it's pathetic lol but they can be interesting and a good way to pass the time. They can be incredibly harsh sometimes tho and so many posts and threads get deleted for personal attacks. It's nothing like that here. I mean not gonna lie and say the subject matter isn't dark but people are on the whole A LOT nicer than other parts of the internet. I mean she even said in her article "enticed by the warm words of fake friends, on an apparently welcoming website." but obvs frames it as completely fake and malicious on the part of members. Maybe it just is a really supportive site with lots of kind people? God knows that couldn't possibly be the case could it! No we're all psychopathic predators here PRETENDING to be nice and supportive, it's the only explanation.../s

Yeah the whole loving parent thing with this site preying on their kids you'd think they'd be horrified their kid is suicidal enough in the first place to even seek this place out but that's somehow NOT the issue? I just wonder if they succeed in getting this site closed who the next set of parents will blame when their kids continue to CTB.

ETA-I'm gonna go read her anti assisted dying article next, I must be a glutton for punishment!