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HannibalLector

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Jul 5, 2018
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Lets take a closer look at nembutal
"Wilson's cry that he felt his "whole body burning" after he was injected with the drug may bolster civil rights groups' case that pentobarbital should be banned from use in lethal injections." "These unregulated drugs have been subjected to less rigorous testing, and may include contaminants that cause significant pain."
http://nation.time.com/2014/01/10/o...ody-burning-executed-with-controversial-drug/

Time to death after oral ingestion of 10-12 grams pentobarbital (261 cases)
0–15 minutes 70 people (27%)

16–30 minutes 115 (44%)
30–60 minutes 44 (17%)
1–2 hours 11 (4%)
2–12 hours 20 (8%)
> 12 hours 1 (0.4%)
Total 261 (100%)
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital#Time_To_Death

Pro and Cons
* Of my knowledge there is no antidote for nembutal.
* Order nembutal online, legal risks?
* Import: In UK, unlawful importation bring a maximum penalty of 14 years (PPE)
* Risk of vomit? (consequence?)
* Risk of online scam
* Buying nembutal online brings risk of getting contaminated product "that cause significant pain".
* Nitschke emphasise the importance of test product if buy online (without test you endanger yourself by administer unknown substance in your body)
* Time: see above

Conclusion
Nembutal in a controlled environment like a swiss clinic sounds peaceful but the risks of purchase nembutal online for self deliverance dont come without risks.

Does the risk that comes with ordering nembutal online outweight the benefits? Considering the above hydrogen sulfide sounds like a smoother ride.
 
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Justanotherconsumer

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Jul 9, 2018
974
All the youtube vids show sleep within just a couple of minutes and i believe they are only showing the best case scenarios, although they do not show the death which i think is odd. The ppeh only gives one source which i also find odd, i suspect Philip neichtche has an arrangement of some kind, the nembutal only costs 30 a bottle, somebody is getting rich.
 
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Fenrirsend

Student
Jul 15, 2018
106
I can't afford to ship it unfortunately....my Max is $200. It's litterly everything I got...if I could get some sent I'd give it a try
 
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HannibalLector

Student
Jul 5, 2018
161
Painful death with nembutal can be linked to the way the drug is administered -
intravenously rather than orally

"Nembutal is a proven, reliable drug that brings about a peaceful death. Almost no failures are known, despite large statistics (for example, the Swiss euthanasia organisation Dignitas reported 840 exits with no single failure). There are however reports on seemingly slow or painful deaths with Nembutal in capital punishment, although this may be due to poor quality of the drug from compounding pharmacies given intravenously rather than orally."
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital#Time_To_Death

I share Justanotherconsumers concern about Nitschkes reliability
In the video about inorganic salts, Nitschke claims sodium azide is quick like cyanide but scientific articles contradicts that.

"...but its very quick so in some ways it almost got the same characteristics as cyanide it has people do like the quickness of the hole process."
compare my post (thread: "Azide?" post: 8).

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital#Time_To_Death
 
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saffron

Student
Jul 18, 2018
128
You usually don't need to test it if you're buying it in the original bottles since it's pharma grade.
With powder, yes.
 
Luke

Luke

tired
Apr 11, 2018
291
All the youtube vids show sleep within just a couple of minutes and i believe they are only showing the best case scenarios, although they do not show the death which i think is odd. The ppeh only gives one source which i also find odd, i suspect Philip neichtche has an arrangement of some kind, the nembutal only costs 30 a bottle, somebody is getting rich.

YouTube would pull the video.
 
Luke

Luke

tired
Apr 11, 2018
291
The painful death is caused by the two other drugs they use.... one induces a heart attack. If it acts quicker than N it's understandable.

Also what appears to be painless could be the paralyzing agent they use, which means the subject could be screaming inside just unable to move. Its a horrific scenario but that's what they do to present the execution as painless to appeal to the public.

The government has absolutely no interest in making an execution painless.
Its a joke saying they are out of nembutal, and won't manufacture more because it's financially not viable.

They are using the cheapest method that gains them public approval. They don't want anything else. So I wouldn't trust them about even using nembutal.

They admit to the paralyzing agent, admit being out of nembutal, admit to not manufacturing more. Don't trust the government ever. Its useless data.

Vets do use it because they are interested in peacefulness. No one wants their dog to suffer.
 
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ojinzo

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Feb 21, 2022
304
I want to find D. Why is it so fucking hard to find D? I have the money. I just need to find him. Someone please help me
 
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tc0076

Member
Jun 23, 2023
5
I contacted a doctor who has used nembutal and this is what is said.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. From what I understand, you are already accessing assisted dying services and the information I offer is not to counsel or incite that, but to help inform you of expectations. I need to document this as if I offer information with the intent of counselling or inciting your access to assisted dying, it could be considered to violate our Australian Criminal Code.

Much of the concerns about the dying experience with end of life medication comes from protocols that used neuromuscular blocking agents (which pentobarbital is not), and some of the early lethal injection protocols used for death-row criminals. The concern here was that the medication would stop muscle activity without sedating the person, so that they would stop breathing and be unable to move, but be completely conscious. Pentobarbital doesn't do this - it is in a class of drugs called barbiturates, which cause sedation and hypnosis. It primarily works by inducing a coma. In animal studies such as this one, breathing and brain activity stop during or shortly after the end of the infusion, and heart activity stops some time after that. There is no physiological reason that the individual would experience pain.

In addition to the theory, I have been present at more than 50 deaths with oral pentobarbital and have only ever seen a pain response that I think was related to the pentobarbital's irritation of an ulcerative stomach or pancreas cancer (direct contact). The intravenous medication we use here in Australia is not pentobarbital however, so I have no experience with this.

I wish you all the best with whatever your decision is.

Kind regards,
Cam
Lets take a closer look at nembutal
"Wilson's cry that he felt his "whole body burning" after he was injected with the drug may bolster civil rights groups' case that pentobarbital should be banned from use in lethal injections." "These unregulated drugs have been subjected to less rigorous testing, and may include contaminants that cause significant pain."
http://nation.time.com/2014/01/10/o...ody-burning-executed-with-controversial-drug/

Time to death after oral ingestion of 10-12 grams pentobarbital (261 cases)
0–15 minutes 70 people (27%)

16–30 minutes 115 (44%)
30–60 minutes 44 (17%)
1–2 hours 11 (4%)
2–12 hours 20 (8%)
> 12 hours 1 (0.4%)
Total 261 (100%)
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital#Time_To_Death

Pro and Cons
* Of my knowledge there is no antidote for nembutal.
* Order nembutal online, legal risks?
* Import: In UK, unlawful importation bring a maximum penalty of 14 years (PPE)
* Risk of vomit? (consequence?)
* Risk of online scam
* Buying nembutal online brings risk of getting contaminated product "that cause significant pain".
* Nitschke emphasise the importance of test product if buy online (without test you endanger yourself by administer unknown substance in your body)
* Time: see above

Conclusion
Nembutal in a controlled environment like a swiss clinic sounds peaceful but the risks of purchase nembutal online for self deliverance dont come without risks.

Does the risk that comes with ordering nembutal online outweight the benefits? Considering the above hydrogen sulfide sounds like a smoother ride.
Hi Tina,

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. From what I understand, you are already accessing assisted dying services and the information I offer is not to counsel or incite that, but to help inform you of expectations. I need to document this as if I offer information with the intent of counselling or inciting your access to assisted dying, it could be considered to violate our Australian Criminal Code.

Much of the concerns about the dying experience with end of life medication comes from protocols that used neuromuscular blocking agents (which pentobarbital is not), and some of the early lethal injection protocols used for death-row criminals. The concern here was that the medication would stop muscle activity without sedating the person, so that they would stop breathing and be unable to move, but be completely conscious. Pentobarbital doesn't do this - it is in a class of drugs called barbiturates, which cause sedation and hypnosis. It primarily works by inducing a coma. In animal studies such as this one, breathing and brain activity stop during or shortly after the end of the infusion, and heart activity stops some time after that. There is no physiological reason that the individual would experience pain.

In addition to the theory, I have been present at more than 50 deaths with oral pentobarbital and have only ever seen a pain response that I think was related to the pentobarbital's irritation of an ulcerative stomach or pancreas cancer (direct contact). The intravenous medication we use here in Australia is not pentobarbital however, so I have no experience with this.

I wish you all the best with whatever your decision is.

Kind regards,
Cam
 
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bluebirds

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Jun 15, 2023
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The painful death is caused by the two other drugs they use.... one induces a heart attack. If it acts quicker than N it's understandable.

Also what appears to be painless could be the paralyzing agent they use, which means the subject could be screaming inside just unable to move. Its a horrific scenario but that's what they do to present the execution as painless to appeal to the public.

The government has absolutely no interest in making an execution painless.
Its a joke saying they are out of nembutal, and won't manufacture more because it's financially not viable.

They are using the cheapest method that gains them public approval. They don't want anything else. So I wouldn't trust them about even using nembutal.

They admit to the paralyzing agent, admit being out of nembutal, admit to not manufacturing more. Don't trust the government ever. Its useless data.

Vets do use it because they are interested in peacefulness. No one wants their dog to suffer.
I read an article (multiple actually) saying exactly this :
what appears to be painless could be the paralyzing agent they use, which means the subject could be screaming inside just unable to move. Its a horrific scenario
This truly is what terifies me, can anyone explain why they dont give general anestheisa at pegasos or dignitas or these places ?

at least if the nembutal death is like drowning or is very painful, the general anesthesia would make sure we dont feel anything, but why the paralyzing agent?

This means one could be screaming inside but paralyzed, what if the pain lasts 30 minutes? 1 hour? 2 hours?

Why not anesthesia? why no sedation?

I think someone here mentioned that they know one of the doctors or people in one of the VAD clinics in switzerland, can they ask them this?
I contacted a doctor who has used nembutal and this is what is said.

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. From what I understand, you are already accessing assisted dying services and the information I offer is not to counsel or incite that, but to help inform you of expectations. I need to document this as if I offer information with the intent of counselling or inciting your access to assisted dying, it could be considered to violate our Australian Criminal Code.

Much of the concerns about the dying experience with end of life medication comes from protocols that used neuromuscular blocking agents (which pentobarbital is not), and some of the early lethal injection protocols used for death-row criminals. The concern here was that the medication would stop muscle activity without sedating the person, so that they would stop breathing and be unable to move, but be completely conscious. Pentobarbital doesn't do this - it is in a class of drugs called barbiturates, which cause sedation and hypnosis. It primarily works by inducing a coma. In animal studies such as this one, breathing and brain activity stop during or shortly after the end of the infusion, and heart activity stops some time after that. There is no physiological reason that the individual would experience pain.

In addition to the theory, I have been present at more than 50 deaths with oral pentobarbital and have only ever seen a pain response that I think was related to the pentobarbital's irritation of an ulcerative stomach or pancreas cancer (direct contact). The intravenous medication we use here in Australia is not pentobarbital however, so I have no experience with this.

I wish you all the best with whatever your decision is.

Kind regards,
Cam

Hi Tina,

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. From what I understand, you are already accessing assisted dying services and the information I offer is not to counsel or incite that, but to help inform you of expectations. I need to document this as if I offer information with the intent of counselling or inciting your access to assisted dying, it could be considered to violate our Australian Criminal Code.

Much of the concerns about the dying experience with end of life medication comes from protocols that used neuromuscular blocking agents (which pentobarbital is not), and some of the early lethal injection protocols used for death-row criminals. The concern here was that the medication would stop muscle activity without sedating the person, so that they would stop breathing and be unable to move, but be completely conscious. Pentobarbital doesn't do this - it is in a class of drugs called barbiturates, which cause sedation and hypnosis. It primarily works by inducing a coma. In animal studies such as this one, breathing and brain activity stop during or shortly after the end of the infusion, and heart activity stops some time after that. There is no physiological reason that the individual would experience pain.

In addition to the theory, I have been present at more than 50 deaths with oral pentobarbital and have only ever seen a pain response that I think was related to the pentobarbital's irritation of an ulcerative stomach or pancreas cancer (direct contact). The intravenous medication we use here in Australia is not pentobarbital however, so I have no experience with this.

I wish you all the best with whatever your decision is.

Kind regards,
Cam
This is very useful, does this Dr do the VAD in asutralia?

does he mean that Nembutal through IV doesn't need the paralyzing agent ?

what if the nembutal causes burning or suffocating and the person is still conscious ?
 
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tc0076

Member
Jun 23, 2023
5
yes in australia. They use the powder. This is the problem, no one seems to know the pain involved, only a survivor would be able to tell you. I am seriosly ill and have contacted Dignotas and Pegasos. I am worried myself about the pain involved.
 
Unwr!tten

Unwr!tten

Saltier than SN
Apr 10, 2023
532
Is there really no antidote to N? Maaan, that's wild.
 
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kudaphillips

Member
Apr 17, 2024
79
I bought some N from online source a couple years ago. Everything about it seems legit . I've tried to test it wih exit test kits and every time I don't do it right or something it doesn't say negative it just is a failed test , I cannot figure out how to do it . Does anyone have a reliable testing source other than exit kit?
 
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