Help Need medical supply advice please?

[Topsy]

Okay well my last attempt didn't work all that well, I tried to OD so go figure. c':
I've decided on a different method which is, if I'm honest, a bit out of my grasp of knowledge wise so I was hoping someone here would know a thing or two and would be able to point me in the right direction.

I'd like to dry draining all my blood, or if not all of it, enough to get me dead at least.

I've done some research but I'm rather out of my depth so I'll give you what I've got so far:
Use a 16-18 Gauge Hypodermic Needle?
Transpore Polyethlene Tape to keep it in place?

Yeah that's about all I've got to go on so far, pitiful I know, but here are my main questions & concerns:

• When I was in the hospital from my last attempt I got an IV, would that work better than just the normal needle?
• What kind of tubing is best and what size will I need, what is too big and too small?
• With a big enough needle and tubing, will clotting still be an issue and if so what will help stop it?
• How long approximately (hours, days ect.) will it take to drain using gravity?
• What should I avoid when trying to stick myself? (veins, tendons ect.)
• Any advice on teaching yourself how to stick yourself?
• Would going into a vein or artery work better?

I plan on ordering them online and getting them shipped so I should have a decent selection to choose from (I hope).
I ask that anyone who responds does not do so purely to criticize my method and that they have experience to go off of when answering.
It'd also be super helpful if you could give the names/terms of what your recommending so I know what to look for! <3
Thank you very much and I hope y'all can help me out!

 

[DrownedOctopus]

I could ask my sister a hypothetical question, she's a nurse and would know so much more than I think a lot of us would. The only problem being she's at work right now and won't be off for another several hours.
If you haven't gotten an answer before then, I'll ask her!
Sorry I don't have more to offer in the way of an answer.

 

[Topsy]

I could ask my sister a hypothetical question, she's a nurse and would know so much more than I think a lot of us would. The only problem being she's at work right now and won't be off for another several hours.
If you haven't gotten an answer before then, I'll ask her!
Sorry I don't have more to offer in the way of an answer.

Thank you so much! I was hoping to get a response from a nurse or someone in the field so she'd be perfect, but don't feel pressured to ask her if you don't think it's a good idea for your sake! That's sounds perfect as I'll be heading to bed soon anyway so either way hopefully I'll have a response by morning.
There's no need to apologize, you're super sweet and it was super nice of you to offer regardless! <3

 

[DrownedOctopus]

Thank you so much! I was hoping to get a response from a nurse or someone in the field so she'd be perfect, but don't feel pressured to ask her if you don't think it's a good idea for your sake! That's sounds perfect as I'll be heading to bed soon anyway so either way hopefully I'll have a response by morning.
There's no need to apologize, you're super sweet and it was super nice of you to offer regardless! <3

No worries, I'll just tell her I was reading something and it made me curious as to what would make it actually work.
I'm known for asking weird questions like this, so she'll be none the wiser.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Okay well my last attempt didn't work all that well, I tried to OD so go figure. c':
I've decided on a different method which is, if I'm honest, a bit out of my grasp of knowledge wise so I was hoping someone here would know a thing or two and would be able to point me in the right direction.

I'd like to dry draining all my blood, or if not all of it, enough to get me dead at least.

I've done some research but I'm rather out of my depth so I'll give you what I've got so far:
Use a 16-18 Gauge Hypodermic Needle?
Transpore Polyethlene Tape to keep it in place?

Yeah that's about all I've got to go on so far, pitiful I know, but here are my main questions & concerns:

• When I was in the hospital from my last attempt I got an IV, would that work better than just the normal needle?
• What kind of tubing is best and what size will I need, what is too big and too small?
• With a big enough needle and tubing, will clotting still be an issue and if so what will help stop it?
• How long approximately (hours, days ect.) will it take to drain using gravity?
• What should I avoid when trying to stick myself? (veins, tendons ect.)
• Any advice on teaching yourself how to stick yourself?
• Would going into a vein or artery work better?

I plan on ordering them online and getting them shipped so I should have a decent selection to choose from (I hope).
I ask that anyone who responds does not do so purely to criticize my method and that they have experience to go off of when answering.
It'd also be super helpful if you could give the names/terms of what your recommending so I know what to look for! <3
Thank you very much and I hope y'all can help me out!

Doesn't sound doable without professional machines because you'll be dealing with clotting and reducing blood pressure. People faint after losing even a pint of blood while doing donations for the Red Cross.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

Doesn't sound doable without professional machines because you'll be dealing with clotting and reducing blood pressure. People faint after losing even a pint of blood while doing donations for the Red Cross.

It could be possible if you get your hands on blood thinners and things like that.
The problem would be getting something that would work well enough for this sort of situation because anything otc I don't think is going to get the job done.
If you're on blood thinners, you're not clotting as well, and it's possible to still be draining your blood while unconscious.
There's more factors involved, so until there is a better explanation of what needs to be done to make this method work I wouldn't recommend this person do it just yet.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

I know plavix is a wicked good blood thinner. My dad was on it after a heart attack. If he got scratched by the cat, even just a tiny one, it would bleed for days.
If he fell the entire surrounding area would be black.
If you can get your hands on that, you shouldn't have an issue with clotting, but I'd recommend if you do to take it for at least a week or two minimum before. The longer the better, I think, for it to really work in your situation. (The problem being you DO need a prescription, and I'm not sure how you'd get that unless you can convince someone you know who takes it to give you a couple weeks' worth)
My sister has yet to get back to me, but honestly I imagine if you stick yourself the same way they do when you give blood you shouldn't have a problem.
It seems like a good area with decent drainage, and if you pair it with the blood thinner it shouldn't take too long.
She just got back to me.
It wouldn't be easy because you could become agitated and agressive as your blood volume depletes.
Probably look into getting a sedative as well to prevent this, but if you do everything they do at a blood drive it's definitrly do-able. Same sized needle and tube and baggie thing. Stick it in the same area, you're good to go.
She said you wouldn't need a blood thinner, but you'd get really aggressive if you're not tied down like crazy or (for lack of a better phrase) knocked the fuck out.
Hope this helps

 

[GeorgeJL]

Okay well my last attempt didn't work all that well, I tried to OD so go figure. c':
I've decided on a different method which is, if I'm honest, a bit out of my grasp of knowledge wise so I was hoping someone here would know a thing or two and would be able to point me in the right direction.

I'd like to dry draining all my blood, or if not all of it, enough to get me dead at least.

I've done some research but I'm rather out of my depth so I'll give you what I've got so far:
Use a 16-18 Gauge Hypodermic Needle?
Transpore Polyethlene Tape to keep it in place?

Yeah that's about all I've got to go on so far, pitiful I know, but here are my main questions & concerns:

• When I was in the hospital from my last attempt I got an IV, would that work better than just the normal needle?
• What kind of tubing is best and what size will I need, what is too big and too small?
• With a big enough needle and tubing, will clotting still be an issue and if so what will help stop it?
• How long approximately (hours, days ect.) will it take to drain using gravity?
• What should I avoid when trying to stick myself? (veins, tendons ect.)
• Any advice on teaching yourself how to stick yourself?
• Would going into a vein or artery work better?

I plan on ordering them online and getting them shipped so I should have a decent selection to choose from (I hope).
I ask that anyone who responds does not do so purely to criticize my method and that they have experience to go off of when answering.
It'd also be super helpful if you could give the names/terms of what your recommending so I know what to look for! <3
Thank you very much and I hope y'all can help me out!

This won't work. You can't loose that much blood through this method. I know because I tried it. One would have to have a massive cut to an arty to loose enough blood to go unconscious.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

This won't work. You can't loose that much blood through this method. I know because I tried it. One would have to have a massive cut to an arty to loose enough blood to go unconscious.

You wouldn't have to cut anything if you end up using the same supplies as when you donate blood.
You have to stick yourself in the same spot they use in order for it to work, blood flows pretty freely if you do it correctly. Just gotta research how to stick yourself correctly, and try until it works before you use this method.
The problem is how people react to serious blood depletion, so being sedated would stop that.
Being tied down could work, but it'd have to be pretty tight and sturdy, which is harder to do if you think you might panic and back out. Depending on how you restrain yourself, freeing yourself could be impossible and you'd be panickig during your last moments.

 

[Topsy]

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She just got back to me.
It wouldn't be easy because you could become agitated and agressive as your blood volume depletes.
Probably look into getting a sedative as well to prevent this, but if you do everything they do at a blood drive it's definitrly do-able. Same sized needle and tube and baggie thing. Stick it in the same area, you're good to go.
She said you wouldn't need a blood thinner, but you'd get really aggressive if you're not tied down like crazy or (for lack of a better phrase) knocked the fuck out.
Hope this helps

Thank you so so much for all the help, you've honestly been so amazing.
That's essentially the plan, just to do my best to mimic what they do at a blood drive.
I'll have a look into what could work as a sedative, or what I could do to help at least but I'll definitely keep that in mind.
The only problem thus far really is what to put it into, I wouldn't be able to keep changing the bag as I kept loosing blood if I used the pint sized ones that they use at blood drives but I don't know if it'd work if I just let it flow freely into a container.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

Thank you so so much for all the help, you've honestly been so amazing.
That's essentially the plan, just to do my best to mimic what they do at a blood drive.
I'll have a look into what could work as a sedative, or what I could do to help at least but I'll definitely keep that in mind.
The only problem thus far really is what to put it into, I wouldn't be able to keep changing the bag as I kept loosing blood if I used the pint sized ones that they use at blood drives but I don't know if it'd work if I just let it flow freely into a container.

I don't see why any container wouldn't work, so long as you don't plan to put it back in your body.

 

[Topsy]

I don't see why any container wouldn't work, so long as you don't plan to put it back in your body.

That's what I'm hoping, I guess this is going to be 90% trial and error at this point cx
And god no, kinda defeats the purpose so that's not a worry xD

 

[DrownedOctopus]

That's what I'm hoping, I guess this is going to be 90% trial and error at this point cx
And god no, kinda defeats the purpose so that's not a worry xD

I don't even think they'd put the blood back in your body because there are too many unknowns to them. They can't be certain it's not contaminated and would actually kill you in doing so, so they'd likely give donated blood. That's if you're caught, though, and I imagine you have planned it to where that's not a possibility.

 

[Need-a-Place]

You would probably need a prescription blood thinner. I tried to do this just as a form of self harm and even with handfuls of aspirin, my blood kept clotting pretty quickly.

I've almost died from blood loss also. I did not get agitated, I got sick and weak. It was very, very painful. I couldn't breathe, my entire body just felt sickly, like when you have the flu and you just ache all over. I could no longer speak or move. It was excruciating.

However, I slashed arteries so I lost blood very quickly which means my body reacted in an extreme fashion. Losing blood by slowly draining it might lead to a different feeling death because you're losing blood slower.

But personally I'm skeptical you can get this to work unless you have some hardcore blood thinners in your system.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

You would probably need a prescription blood thinner. I tried to do this just as a form of self harm and even with handfuls of aspirin, my blood kept clotting pretty quickly.

I've almost died from blood loss also. I did not get agitated, I got sick and weak. It was very, very painful. I couldn't breathe, my entire body just felt sickly, like when you have the flu and you just ache all over. I could no longer speak or move. It was excruciating.

However, I slashed arteries so I lost blood very quickly which means my body reacted in an extreme fashion. Losing blood by slowly draining it might lead to a different feeling death because you're losing blood slower.

But personally I'm skeptical you can get this to work unless you have some hardcore blood thinners in your system.

I can undersand your skepticism. There is a difference between draining blood with a needle like when you donate blood and from harming yourself. I'm not entirely sure your method, but I'm assuming you didn't stick yourself with a needle?
I asked my sister who is an rn about this, she answers a lot of my weird hypotheticals pertaining to these things.
I trust her knowledge on this as it's something she's studied and trained in.
You don't need a blood thinner for the method described, only if you were to cut a wound instead. I already suggested plavix as I've seen firsthand how well it works as a blood thinner, but obtaining a prescription for it would be impossible if you have no physical need for it. It isn't something you can fake.
But it's not necessary if you're using a needle to drain your body of blood.
It is recommended to use a sedative because you can have a terrible reaction to blood loss, aggression being one of those possibilities. Panic being another. It's not necessary, but highly recommended.

 

[Need-a-Place]

I can undersand your skepticism. There is a difference between draining blood with a needle like when you donate blood and from harming yourself. I'm not entirely sure your method, but I'm assuming you didn't stick yourself with a needle?
I asked my sister who is an rn about this, she answers a lot of my weird hypotheticals pertaining to these things.
I trust her knowledge on this as it's something she's studied and trained in.
You don't need a blood thinner for the method described, only if you were to cut a wound instead. I already suggested plavix as I've seen firsthand how well it works as a blood thinner, but obtaining a prescription for it would be impossible if you have no physical need for it. It isn't something you can fake.
But it's not necessary if you're using a needle to drain your body of blood.
It is recommended to use a sedative because you can have a terrible reaction to blood loss, aggression being one of those possibilities. Panic being another. It's not necessary, but highly recommended.

I did use needles, 18g.

I tried the veins in my hands and in my arms. I accidentally poked through a vein in my exuberance. It caused a huge welt to form under my skin, and when I yanked the needle out the blood drained out and other than some bruising it seemed fine after.

I tried both with an iv kit, and with the needle open and draining. Both times my blood clotted almost immedieately. With the iv kit, my blood made it halfway through the plastic line before drying up and clotting. When I left the needle open to drain freely, it dripped a bit before stopping entirely. I poked my veins in other spots and same thing kept happening. Sudden gushing flow, blood drips out steady... then within minutes, all bloodflow stops.

I finally gave up when I realized just slicing myself I lost way more blood way faster, more reliable, less frustration.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

There's a certain vein they use when donating blood that doesn't have issues with clotting. Otherwise, how else are you going to get that much blood out if the person is constantly clotting and no blood is flowing out?
If you do it correctly, my sister said it's definitely possible to die this way. No blood thinners necessary.

 

[Need-a-Place]

I honestly find your insistent reassurance pretty fishy. If it's so simple to stick a needle and drain yourself dry, why isn't everyone suiciding this way?

From personal experience I can guarantee you this will not work. The only differences I can theorize are 1) I've been self harming over half my life. Maybe my blood is more efficient at clotting than the average person. 2) Maybe a bigger needle gauge will increase results. I saw a lot of reports of 16g used for blood donation. Maybe the slightly bigger needle will stop blood from clotting.

Otherwise I can only imagine if you manage to stick your vein and drain it without clotting problems, you would have to sit still for hours (like, an entire day) in order to lose enough blood this way.

Also, so far as I know, there is no magic blood donation vein. They palpate for the biggest/easiest accessible one (median cubital? Some medical term idk?) which usually is the same for most people, but does not have to be that exact vein. It just the one that happens to be most accessible.

 

[DrownedOctopus]

I honestly find your insistent reassurance pretty fishy. If it's so simple to stick a needle and drain yourself dry, why isn't everyone suiciding this way?

From personal experience I can guarantee you this will not work. The only differences I can theorize are 1) I've been self harming over half my life. Maybe my blood is more efficient at clotting than the average person. 2) Maybe a bigger needle gauge will increase results. I saw a lot of reports of 16g used for blood donation. Maybe the slightly bigger needle will stop blood from clotting.

Otherwise I can only imagine if you manage to stick your vein and drain it without clotting problems, you would have to sit still for hours (like, an entire day) in order to lose enough blood this way.

Also, so far as I know, there is no magic blood donation vein. They palpate for the biggest/easiest accessible one (median cubital? Some medical term idk?) which usually is the same for most people, but does not have to be that exact vein. It just the one that happens to be most accessible.

Understandable you find it fishy. All I'm doing is giving information to the best of my ability seeing as I don't think there are to many, if any, people on this site that are in the medical field.
I simply asked my sister the questions on this post to get her insight because she would know more than anyone else about this sort of thing.
I'm not telling you to believe me, but I think in all honesty the fact that I'm earnest about it and consistent with my answers shows I'm not trolling, giving false information, or passing off some internet research as something you should believe.
I'm not saying it's easy, but it's possible.
I don't know why your blood stopped flowing, perhaps you didn't stick yourself correctly. Unless you've somehow been trained to do it?
I don't see how donating blood is a possibility if clotting causes it to stop flowing after a short period of time. I've given blood a few times, it only takes about an hour or so. So yes, this way would be rather time consuming. It'd probably be more efficient to have more than one set up to speed the process along. But the thing is, I never had an issue with the blood no longer flowing. No one else I know who donates has an issue with it either. So it seems to me you did something incorrectly or you have something else going on.
Not here to argue, I'm just giving information to someone who asked for it seeing as I had someone in my life with the knowledge and training to give an educated answer. Not based on personal experience.
I could have told this person it's a dumb idea based on my own personal experiences. I've self harmed over half my life as well, nerve damage and scars to prove it. I'd never recommend killing yourself that way, but this seemed more plausible.
I was genuinely curious myself if this would work, so I looked into it not just for the person but for my own curiosity.
You can disbelieve all you want but you've yet to actually disprove anything I've said.
The fact is nobody on this site can know for sure who on here is lying and telling the truth, trust who you want. Make your own judgemen call. I was sinply giving an answer to someone who needed help.

 

[Need-a-Place]

Somehow draining yourself of blood via a tiny needle seems more plausible than slashing an artery to commit suicide...? I can say I definitely don't trust your judgment.

Also, you again show your ignorance on the matter. When you donate blood, the bag on the other end is FILLED with anticoagulants. So your blood is draining into a bag that ensures it won't clot up at the bottom. That is why you can donate without a clotting problem.

Also, you keep trying to point out I'm an "amateur" at drawing blood, like that negates my experience somehow? Uhm, thing is, majority of people trying this method will have just as much experience as me. They won't be phlebotomists!!! If my issue was that I'm not a trained phlebotomist, guess what, that means everyone else will be running into the same issue

Your theory doesn't even make sense.

You don't need a blood thinner for the method described, only if you were to cut a wound instead.

How does a cut naturally clot, but putting a needle into your vein somehow tricks your body into no longer forming clots? Your body senses a needle in your arm and decides the metal from the needle hole will resist natural clotting mechanisms? Like, what? A large cut will clot with time, but a tiny needle hole is somehow immune from clotting?