N Tolerance?

[Starchaser]

I used N for the 1st time (for sleep test) and It went well with 3 ML, I got really high and sleepy.... For the 2nd time too, but -20% effective (2 weeks later)
But I've made a 3rd / 4rd test these days (weeks later again) just to be sure my N isn't deteriorating, and looks like the effect are really down -70%... I just get a little somnolency and aerial (I even used a 2nd bottle to be sure it wasn't the 1st bottle compromised)

I have been addicted to some drugs, and I KNOW that this is not how tolerance develops, you should be using the substance several times in a row in a short period of time to develop tolerance.

Does anyone have a hunch of what might have happened?
Did I screw up my chances of getting a clean and quick death?
If I drink 200ML of N I'll die anyways? (I think so, because pentobarbital addicts die with between 1.5 and 2 grams) but I'm still in doubt

Also, Marilyn Monroe (which was a DAILY barbiturites user, died with 4g of it)
Nothing of this make really sense to me, so I'm very depressed
I know it's a hard question, but I feel like I should try in case anyone here have a clue of what happened
Thanks anyway for the attention.

 

[fizi22]

How did you feel when you took 3ml the 3rd and 4th time?

Perhaps @CiproKilledMe can comment this

 

[Starchaser]

How did you feel when you took 3ml the 3rd and 4th time?

Just a bit aerial and sleepy, but nothing compared to the 1st/2nd time

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Yea, I've had the same exact experience. First time it knocked me OUT, and then each subsequent time it worked less and less (and these 'sleep tests' were spaced apart quite a bit). I too have been trying to figure out if I developed tolerance to it or if the remaining N just degraded after I punctured the seal with the syringe. Neither one seems very likely, yet something is obviously going on. And I know of others who've also experienced this.

 

[MegaGordo]

This is concerning. I would lean toward degradation. But that's really fast and a significant decrease in potency. I agree that I don't think the body somehow "adapted" and can now tolerate N better. Must be exposure to air. Maybe re-order 2 bottles and keep them sealed. Before N runs dry. In a year, I'll probably order 2 more, just to be on the safe side.

 

[CiproKilledMe]

I'm counting on my one unopened bottle being enough to take me out. The second, opened bottle will just be a bonus.

 

[Red Scare]

Something going on with the n people got from d? I haven't done any such sleep test yet. But this is odd... then again previous commenters were right when they have said it would be more trouble than it's worth to send people a fake product, vs just sending them the real thing.

So I wonder what's up.

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Mine was bought from A about 8-10 months ago when he was still legit.

 

[symphony]

Have you tested it?

 

[Smart No More]

The N from D is fine I reckon. It is tolerance that you've experienced. With certain drugs it comes quick.

I can take like half a benzo at start of a week and be taking 4 tablets in one go by the end of that week and getting nowhere near the benefits of that first half I took. Some are worse than others but most reate tolerance fast.

Barbs are really prone to this issue. To fix it you need to have a few weeks free. I too was/am tempted to get an extra bottle to use recreationally but doing risks the deadly dose being munch much higher if you're building tolerance to it. It was well renowned stuff at one point. Peaple loved it.

So yeah, give it time inbetween use. If you use it too mich you'll be addicted real quick too. There was talk about a guuy buying it for his wife to keep her habit going at one point.

 

[GentleJerk]

OP says he used a second fresh bottle so the degrading theory is unlikely, unless they are both degrading at the same rate regardless of whether they are open or not.

That does sound like an unusually steep tolerance build up.

If it's because of tolerance, it's possible that the subjective effects may noticeably diminish with use, but the action on the brain and body is still effective.

You can try ruling out tolerance by waiting for a much longer period of time, maybe a couple of months, and then dosing with the original 3mL again to see how it goes. Remember benzo's and alcohol will both create a cross-tolerance so avoid them too.

You can possibly rule out degradation by ordering a new bottle and seeing how that works. Only possible issue is, that it might be a bottle made at the same time as the ones you already have. Imo I don't think degradation is the reason for this drop-off in effects you're getting tho.

 

[Smart No More]

Gabba affecting drugs create tollerence fast. Faster than heroin in my experience. Weirdly so take a few days to return near to normal and others take forever. All you can do it wait out a reasonable period before going in again.

 

[GentleJerk]

it's possible that the subjective effects may noticeably diminish with use, but the action on the brain and body is still effective

For example- when I found a khat tree in a neighbors back yard, and tried chewing on some leaves. The first time was surprisingly strong, and there was a significant amount of stimulation along with some very interesting mild psychedelic effects. I couldn't sleep that night. The second time, about 5 days later, was disappointing and almost unnoticeable, but I still couldn't sleep all night. So the cathinones were still doing their job, but I wasn't getting the subjective effects.

 

[downndone2]

It is very unlikely you would develop tolerance with several doses spaced so far apart.
Did gently roll or shake bottle before withdrawing into needle? The N may have settled a bit in the liquid
With the rubber seal it really doesnt cause an issue with air getting in the bottle unless you are injecting air or using a big needle.

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Have you tested it?

Yea, with my tongue and stomach . The first time I used it I had no doubt that stuff was legit, potent and was definitely gonna kill me in a bigger dose! Unlike OP I'd only taken .5ml and it knocked me out for a few hours and then I woke up paralyzed and unable to move for a little while (I'm sensitive to drugs). I never again got knocked clear out like that from it. Most of these tests were spaced months apart too. The last one had almost no effect on me whatsoever (same dose each time). So if it's a tolerance issue, I don't seem to be gaining my tolerance back.

 

[Starchaser]

Update: After the 3 ML i took yesterday (which didn't gave me too much effects), I used the 2nd bottle and took +2 ML (totalizing 5ML)
I didn't liked the effects, so I went to sleep depressed, because the effects were very mild.

I woke up 3 hours later with a VERY heavy head and VERY stoned and I thought "ok this could kill me"
I don't know what happened, but looks like TIME or BOTTLE or DOSAGE.


TLDR; I took 3 ML from my 1st bottle = almost none effect (like 30% from the first time effects)
Took +2ML from my 2nd bottle = almost none effect (totalizing 5ml)
Went to sleep depressed, woke up 2/3 hours later with a HEAVY head and VERY VERY stoned/aerial like super drunk (If I could give notes I would give 9/10)
The effects hited me so hard that I had to put a finger on my mouth to vomit on the bucket because I wasn't liking it.

Conclusion: It was TIME (I didn't waited enough?) or It was the BOTTLE (I doubt very hard, because my 1st bottle still perfect, sealed, no particle matters, no blurry, no descoloration, perfect storaged) or it was the dosage (I used 5ml+ of the motherfucker this time)


Well, I'm still confused as fuck, because as I said, I still don't understand what happened, but 3ML with 1st bottle + 2ML with 2nd bottle and 3h waiting made me even sick that I had to vomit it.
But when I was high of 5ML I thought (ok this can kill me surely)
I still don't know what to think.

But I think this is important to discuss since other members (like @CiproKilledMe ) had this problem.


15h later, I woke up (now) and I'm still 3/10 stoned/high, but the effect looks like slowly passing by.

And just a bonus: As I said, Marilyn Monroe took barbiturites DAILY and died with 3~4g, and looks like pentobarbital addicts also dies with 2g, so, It CAN'T be tolerance..... right? I don't know what to think

And don't get me wrong, I'm not using it to get "high" or "recreationally", I just want to check if everything is ok with my substance and If my body is ready to go with it... I don't do drugs nowadays

 

[PerpetualPain]

I have had the same experience. First sleep test of 1ml made me noticeably warm and fuzzy and a bit high but didn't knock me out. A few days later I took 1ml again and felt nothing. About a week later I tried 1.5ml and felt nothing. I was concerned about degradation due to air getting in the bottle from the needle but I now think it's definitely a tolerance issue based on these reports.

I would keep trying higher amounts if the taste wasn't so repulsive. For that reason I am just waiting til it's time and hoping I don't botch it due to taste+SI+anxiety.

 

[Smart No More]

Don't think there's an official word on that @readysteady

Personally I think sitting up a little will be beneficial should any vomit occur. Its said to be unlikely (though its never said in relation th vet N but clinically administered stuff) it seems worthwhile if you want to be as sure as possible. People have varied opinions on it so it's one of those things you'll probably need to weigh up and decide yourself unfortunately.

 

[BrokenBliss]

My advice would be to stop testing it. Why take chances on tolerance, and continued poking of holes thru the seal. Plus if one day you decide to use it for its intention, you want to make sure you have enough. Maybe even purchase new from D if you're able.

 

[VoidDesirer22]

Yikes, I am so stunned that anyone would open their N (other than for testing immediately prior to ctb) early for microdosing.

The stuff is super rare. D isn't around forever. And then what?
Part of me is quite frustated. I am glad I read this after receiving mine or I might have got really bothered by this thread.

Something going on with the n people got from d? I haven't done any such sleep test yet. But this is odd... then again previous commenters were right when they have said it would be more trouble than it's worth to send people a fake product, vs just sending them the real thing.

So I wonder what's up.

It isn't even remotely time to question D.
He has not started scamming. Tests have been done very recently if you search. And the communication is normal.

 

[BrokenBliss]

It isn't even remotely time to question D.
He has not started scamming. Tests have been done very recently if you search. And the communication is normal.

It says above this was purchased from A, not D. Breathe easy. :)

 

[Starchaser]

As I said, I've been addicted to plenty of drugs to understand how tolerance works and develops, which is the only thing that is bottering me (And as I saw, other members).

I bought 6 extra bottles for that matter, for testing.
I have plenty of money and I really don't care about that
I still have 4 unopened bottles (which will stay this way in case I need) so you don't need to worry about it.
It's impossible to "microdose" it because the taste is awful, I'm sure this is not the intention.


The idea here is just to understand the substance in question and if it is still ready for consumption (well storaged and not expired) since some people (and me) are not using to CTB right now.

I don't think the product Is fake, I don't think D is scamming.
The product is legit.
We just want to understand why the product make a lot of effects one time and another time It doesn't.

You wanna die? Fine.
But you can only die peaceful knowing your product is legit without testing because of people like me, that actually open the thing and test it.
Please don't jump to conclusions.

 

[BrokenBliss]

As I said, I've been addicted to plenty of drugs to understand how tolerance works and develops, which is the only thing that is bottering me (And as I saw, other members).

I bought 5 extra bottles for that matter, for testing.
I have all the money on the world and I really don't care about that
I still have 3 unopened bottles (which will stay this way in case I need) so you don't need to worry about it.
It's impossible to "microdose" it because the taste is awful, I'm sure this is not the intention.


The idea here is just do understand the substance in question and if it is still ready for consumption (well storaged and not expired) since some people (and me) are not using to CTB right now.

I don't think the product Is fake, I don't think D is scamming.
The product is legit.
We just want to understand why the product make a lot of effects one time and another time It doesn't.

You wanna die? Fine.
But you can only die peaceful knowing your product is legit without testing because of people like me, that actually open the thing and test it.
Please don't jump to conclusions.

Geez, sorry @Starchaser. I meant no harm and was actually thinking of you. I hear your point. Carry on with your inquiry. Readers, please ignore my post.

 

[Starchaser]

Geez, sorry @Starchaser. I meant no harm and was actually thinking of you. I hear your point. Carry on with your inquiry. Readers, please ignore my post.

Your post is welcomed bro, It didn't harmed and I know you said it with good intentions!
You're actually right, we shouldn't risk getting tolerance on the thing by using it.
I'm cool. No problems.

It's just that we are collecting data about the most important product on this forum and i don't think this should be underestimated from someone and described as "microdosing" by @VoidDesirer22

The point here is not to question D or his product.
I'm 100% convinced it is LEGIT.
I don't want you to think otherwise.
D and his product are the best thing i've put my hands on and I'm glad he's making millions of it.
I'm glad I have N.
I'm thankful everyday for what D is doing.
I don't want you to think otherwise.

The point here is to question how it affect our bodies, which is the point of everything (including dying).

 

[BrokenBliss]

Your post is welcomed bro, It didn't harmed and I know you said it with good intentions!
You're actually right, we shouldn't risk getting tolerance on the thing by using it.
I'm cool. No problems.

It's just that we are collecting data about the most important product on this forum and i don't think this should be underestimated from someone and described as "microdosing" by @VoidDesirer22

The point here is not to question D or his product.
I'm 100% convinced it is LEGIT.
I don't want you to think otherwise.
D and his product are the best thing i've put my hands on and I'm glad he's making millions of it.
I'm glad I have N.
I'm thankful everyday for what D is doing.
I don't want you to think otherwise.

The point here is to question how it affect our bodies, which is the point of everything (including dying).

Yep. And I trust your desire for the info. I hope we can get more insights on it.

I know where @VoidDesirer22 was coming from, too. Please take no offense there either.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Unless someone is a 250-300kg drug addicted giant, I don't think they have a chance of surviving with a dose greater than 5 grams. Tolerance does not make anyone immortal.

 

[Smart No More]

I have a history with addiction too @Starchaser and like you no longer use but I do have prescriptions and occasionally buy ambien/zolpidem. I have found that drugs that act on gaba are usually quite hard hitting on first use but never really seem to be the same after that. Many patients complain of this to prescribers and are angered about never being forewarned of it. Particularly those given benzos as a way to get through things like periods of grief. My tolerance to ambien and benzos grows just as fast as your experience with your N. Faster even. I'm certain that your experience is a tolerance issue mixed with the way our body responds to follow up doses of gaba effecting drugs. My tolerance to opiates grew fast but nothing like this.

Also worth considering is how recently you ate. If you have a meal soon before taking meds orally it often takes longer for them to work and they take effect over a longer period. Obviously this varies between drugs. The fact you woke feeling so messy and vomited indicates it clearly took effect but as somebody else quite rightly pointed out that our perception of some drugs effects are less prominent on repeat doses even though they are doing something. By that I mean something more than say the percieved 20% you mentioned. Though I know that was a kind of estimate I must say that a very common phenomena with gabaergics is the feeling and assumption that one is not high and therefore people will regularly keep redosing until the point of having a toxic affect that causes symptoms of withdrawal. Its a really odd thing but very real and common.

If you check benzo buddies or bluelight forums you'll find lots of accounts of this. No doubt there's talk of it on reddit subs etc too. I haven't checked out this particular sub reddit. Just found it with a quick search and am including a link because it's dedicated to gabaergics and lists many forms in the description. Most importantly to us, barbiturates.

r/gabagoodness

r/gabagoodness: GABAGoodness is devoted to the discussion of all GABAergics, Gabapentnoids and VDCC inhibitors such as Pregabalin, Gabapentin …

www.reddit.com

Hopefully that contributes to explaining what you're experiencing and puts you at a little more ease.

 

[BrokenBliss]

Unless someone is a 250-300kg drug addicted giant, I don't think they have a chance of surviving with a dose greater than 5 grams. Tolerance does not make anyone immortal.

I am banking on that.

 

[Lost Magic]

I have put on a bit of weight during lockdown. Even, though, I have two bottles, I am going to try and lose a bit just to be safe. I was super skinny and frail a few years back. It would have been easier back then that it is now. Oh, well, I'll try and write a post when I reach the other side Let you all know how it went.

 

[VoidDesirer22]

bought 6 extra bottles for that matter, for testing.
I have all the money on the world and I really don't care about that

Oh wow, okay. Sorry my poorness was coming out.

I ordered 2 and it was all I could manage financially.

Test away regardless. I'm just a bit on edge.