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SheerPanicAttack

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May 21, 2019
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I think this thread is instilling unfounded fear
I don't think anyone ever has been charged of anything in this forum
I think the most they will do (in USA or Europe) is seize the package and send a customs notice letter.
In which case you simply ignore the letter and lay low or reorder.
Pretty damn sure the 20 year jail is reserved for big sized substance snuggling

I'm just quoting the Peaceful Pill Handbook here, not "instilling unfounded fear" so much as trying to gauge the validity and likelihood of what I read. Reading that scared the shit out of me, personally.

TBH, the act of commiting suicide is already illegal regardless of the method, so what does it matter to break the law in a victimless way before leaving.

It's not about legality so much as concern over being intercepted prior to dying— suffering and being locked up and having no ability to exit painlessly.
 
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intr0naut

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May 26, 2018
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TBH, the act of commiting suicide is already illegal regardless of the method, so what does it matter to break the law in a victimless way before leaving.
TBH, i wish you were better informed before spreading false info. Suicide is NOT illegal!
 
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TBH, i wish you were better informed before spreading false info. Suicide is NOT illegal!
It is illegal in my country . But they send u to mental hospital more often then jail
 
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Apr 3, 2019
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TBH, i wish you were better informed before spreading false info. Suicide is NOT illegal!
It is in many countries, and even where not, they treat you like a criminal, or even worse.
 
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intr0naut

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It is in many countries, and even where not, they treat you like a criminal, or even worse.
In most countries is not illegal; it would have been nice to mention the specific country/area and not making it sound as if it's illegal everywhere.
 
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In most countries is not illegal; it would have been nice to mention the specific country/area and making it sound as if it's illegal everywhere.

Because it's irrelevant, and it's even worse since criminals have actually more right than suicidal people.
 
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intr0naut

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Because it's irrelevant, and it's even worse since criminals have actually more right than suicidal people.
I know the feeling and i totally agree with you, it's just i see black in front of my eyes when i re-read an argument used so much in the past by pro-lifers...
 
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s_girl

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Sep 13, 2018
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It's time for this to stop.

Misinformation, paranoia, anxiety and fear are all contagious and can be toxic and dangerous in a place like this. Fear is the tool they use to control us. I know people are scared but these penalties have been vastly exaggerated and it's turning into a monster...

There has NEVER been a person convicted or jailed for importing N in any country, EVER. There have been thousands of deaths this way, but that's for another thread.

Like us all here, I'm talking about a suicidal individual person, importing an individual dose for individual use. N (and other barbiturates) has been imported and used this way for at least 3 decades now and no suicidal individual has EVER been convicted or jailed for this anywhere.

There are a few exceptions over 3 decades where this has actually happened. These all involved: assisting someone else's suicide, importing for someone else, importing multiple doses and larger quantities, re-selling or distributing to others, or politically motivated exceptions for euthanasia and right to die advocates to be used as public examples.

There are also a few countries in the world where there are no human rights, and it is genuinely a higher risk so these people may need to choose another method (we all know who these countries are). Generally they're the countries where suicide is a crime and mental illness is made up and is 'all in your head.' It's sad that the world is like this, but again, that's for another thread. Ultimately, there's a lot of ways to die, if you're determined enough and you really want to...

Suicide is NOT a crime and a suicidal individual is not going to be severely punished for importing N for their own personal suicide (in the vast majority of countries). There have been some seizures, fines, unwanted interventions to 'save' lives and undesired attention and I'm not saying that these are acceptable repercussions, but it is NOT the same as criminal convictions and jail time. There are also thousands of success stories too. You need to balance the real actual risks, with the reward for yourself.

At the end of the day, IF (hypothetically) you were caught, you can always just admit that yes, you were suicidal before and did order it but you have now realised it was a big mistake and you really want to live. You have changed your mind and love life, had a wake up call now etc etc.

I'm sometimes fearful of commenting on here because I don't like attention or to debate and argue. I'm only responding now because this thread is inaccurate and only serves to increase fear and paranoia. Fear is a tool they use to control us.

If you do not agree with anything I've stated, please provide us all with example cases of individuals importing for their own personal suicide, where there has been a criminal conviction or jail time given. I've searched and can't find any, but would happy to be corrected... I don't believe we should focus on the hypothetical and threatened penalties, but choose to focus on the real actual events that have really happened to others in similar situations. I have lots of sources that I can provide but the most important is probably the PPeH May 2019, p. 279. It clearly states there has never been a conviction or jail time to date (for individuals importing for their own personal suicide). Please check it out for yourselves, so we can all stop the spread of inaccurate information and the fear of exaggerated hypothetical consequences.

If you choose to allow fear to have control over your life, and your death, then that's up to you... But can we please stop spreading it around here, as it only makes things worse for us all, and none of us need that.
 
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It's time for this to stop.

At the end of the day, IF (hypothetically) you were caught, you can always just admit that yes, you were suicidal before and did order it but you have now realised it was a big mistake and you really want to live. You have changed your mind and love life, had a wake up call now etc etc.
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SheerPanicAttack

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May 21, 2019
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It's time for this to stop.

Misinformation, paranoia, anxiety and fear are all contagious and can be toxic and dangerous in a place like this. Fear is the tool they use to control us. I know people are scared but these penalties have been vastly exaggerated and it's turning into a monster...

There has NEVER been a person convicted or jailed for importing N in any country, EVER. There have been thousands of deaths this way, but that's for another thread.

Like us all here, I'm talking about a suicidal individual person, importing an individual dose for individual use. N (and other barbiturates) has been imported and used this way for at least 3 decades now and no suicidal individual has EVER been convicted or jailed for this anywhere.

There are a few exceptions over 3 decades where this has actually happened. These all involved: assisting someone else's suicide, importing for someone else, importing multiple doses and larger quantities, re-selling or distributing to others, or politically motivated exceptions for euthanasia and right to die advocates to be used as public examples.

There are also a few countries in the world where there are no human rights, and it is genuinely a higher risk so these people may need to choose another method (we all know who these countries are). Generally they're the countries where suicide is a crime and mental illness is made up and is 'all in your head.' It's sad that the world is like this, but again, that's for another thread. Ultimately, there's a lot of ways to die, if you're determined enough and you really want to...

Suicide is NOT a crime and a suicidal individual is not going to be severely punished for importing N for their own personal suicide (in the vast majority of countries). There have been some seizures, fines, unwanted interventions to 'save' lives and undesired attention and I'm not saying that these are acceptable repercussions, but it is NOT the same as criminal convictions and jail time. There are also thousands of success stories too. You need to balance the real actual risks, with the reward for yourself.

At the end of the day, IF (hypothetically) you were caught, you can always just admit that yes, you were suicidal before and did order it but you have now realised it was a big mistake and you really want to live. You have changed your mind and love life, had a wake up call now etc etc.

I'm sometimes fearful of commenting on here because I don't like attention or to debate and argue. I'm only responding now because this thread is inaccurate and only serves to increase fear and paranoia. Fear is a tool they use to control us.

If you do not agree with anything I've stated, please provide us all with example cases of individuals importing for their own personal suicide, where there has been a criminal conviction or jail time given. I've searched and can't find any, but would happy to be corrected... I don't believe we should focus on the hypothetical and threatened penalties, but choose to focus on the real actual events that have really happened to others in similar situations. I have lots of sources that I can provide but the most important is probably the PPeH May 2019, p. 279. It clearly states there has never been a conviction or jail time to date (for individuals importing for their own personal suicide). Please check it out for yourselves, so we can all stop the spread of inaccurate information and the fear of exaggerated hypothetical consequences.

If you choose to allow fear to have control over your life, and your death, then that's up to you... But can we please stop spreading it around here, as it only makes things worse for us all, and none of us need that.

I'm not trying to spread fear, I wanted to find out if the risk was something to be fearful of. I was alarmed by what I read from the PPeH, and therefore felt like I'd gauge public opinion to see any other opinions on what I read (which is scary).
 

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It's time for this to stop.

Misinformation, paranoia, anxiety and fear are all contagious and can be toxic and dangerous in a place like this. Fear is the tool they use to control us. I know people are scared but these penalties have been vastly exaggerated and it's turning into a monster...

There has NEVER been a person convicted or jailed for importing N in any country, EVER. There have been thousands of deaths this way, but that's for another thread.

Like us all here, I'm talking about a suicidal individual person, importing an individual dose for individual use. N (and other barbiturates) has been imported and used this way for at least 3 decades now and no suicidal individual has EVER been convicted or jailed for this anywhere.

There are a few exceptions over 3 decades where this has actually happened. These all involved: assisting someone else's suicide, importing for someone else, importing multiple doses and larger quantities, re-selling or distributing to others, or politically motivated exceptions for euthanasia and right to die advocates to be used as public examples.

There are also a few countries in the world where there are no human rights, and it is genuinely a higher risk so these people may need to choose another method (we all know who these countries are). Generally they're the countries where suicide is a crime and mental illness is made up and is 'all in your head.' It's sad that the world is like this, but again, that's for another thread. Ultimately, there's a lot of ways to die, if you're determined enough and you really want to...

Suicide is NOT a crime and a suicidal individual is not going to be severely punished for importing N for their own personal suicide (in the vast majority of countries). There have been some seizures, fines, unwanted interventions to 'save' lives and undesired attention and I'm not saying that these are acceptable repercussions, but it is NOT the same as criminal convictions and jail time. There are also thousands of success stories too. You need to balance the real actual risks, with the reward for yourself.

At the end of the day, IF (hypothetically) you were caught, you can always just admit that yes, you were suicidal before and did order it but you have now realised it was a big mistake and you really want to live. You have changed your mind and love life, had a wake up call now etc etc.

I'm sometimes fearful of commenting on here because I don't like attention or to debate and argue. I'm only responding now because this thread is inaccurate and only serves to increase fear and paranoia. Fear is a tool they use to control us.

If you do not agree with anything I've stated, please provide us all with example cases of individuals importing for their own personal suicide, where there has been a criminal conviction or jail time given. I've searched and can't find any, but would happy to be corrected... I don't believe we should focus on the hypothetical and threatened penalties, but choose to focus on the real actual events that have really happened to others in similar situations. I have lots of sources that I can provide but the most important is probably the PPeH May 2019, p. 279. It clearly states there has never been a conviction or jail time to date (for individuals importing for their own personal suicide). Please check it out for yourselves, so we can all stop the spread of inaccurate information and the fear of exaggerated hypothetical consequences.

If you choose to allow fear to have control over your life, and your death, then that's up to you... But can we please stop spreading it around here, as it only makes things worse for us all, and none of us need that.

 
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PDAnnie2610

Waiting for my bus.
Oct 27, 2019
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Suicide was only recently decriminalised in my country but owning N carries draconian penalties. So I'm definitely not using that...