Help N date is closing by

[Lovemykids]

My date is closing by
Just hope to get some advise

What are the chances taking N without antiemetic

I know N is lethal
Is 5 hours sufficient for scheduled email

Totally stupid question to ask
Even I tested it put me to sleep
Will there be any pain if I have cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest

Lol sorry to ask this I feel so shame and being a coward

Also say if u take few beers can before taking N is that ok? Alcohol is treatment for survival instinct

 

[violetskin96]

how much n did you try/ how did it taste to you?

 

[violetskin96]

aslo id guess without an antiemetic its a 50/50 shot

 

[Lovemykids]

Tested a teaspoon and table spoon
Taste is bareable at least for me
I don't mind about the taste at this point

 

[Lovemykids]

Also tho would it be ok to take few beers before like maybe 2 hours before

 

[Chinaski]

Going without anti emetic would, like diluting, be against all advice and lead inevitably to failure. Dignitas give anti emetics for a reason.

 

[worldexploder]

Isn't an Antienemtic a must?

I personally would drink N without it,

 

[Chinaski]

Isn't an Antienemtic a must?

Yes, as is fasting beforehand, no alcohol prior, no diluting with juice and a wait of twelve hours iirc.

 

[Lovemykids]

Just for the sake of arguments
What if take 6 cans of beer 2 hours prior taking N

Is there any documented or solid thing against it

 

[Chinaski]

Just for the sake of arguments
What if take 6 cans of beer 2 hours prior taking N

Is there any documented or solid thing against it

Yes, but l can't quote it off the top of my head. I'd suggest reading the PPH chapters on N and vomiting in full for a start.

It sounds like you're not ready tbh, absolutely no shame in this, l for one am stitched together by cowardice, but from what l gather N doesn't meet you half way, if it's not done correctly you'll not be in a good way.

 

[Lovemykids]

Its not about being ready
Planning is one thing before hand getting hold of N but once I have it things become more real and serious where concern and doubt arise

I will admit I am a coward when it comes to fear of pain and failure

Despite whatever the outcome could be I'm still gonna take it by say fuck it (sorry for my language) but then still I guess self satisfaction to make me feel relieve I ask this questions

 

[TiredHorse]

sorry to ask this I feel so shame and being a coward

Please don't feel shame, Lovemykids. And please don't feel like a coward. This is a big, terrifying leap for anyone with half a brain. If you weren't afraid, you wouldn't be really thinking about it --and if you weren't really thinking about it, would it really be a reasonable thing for you to do?

Planning is one thing before hand getting hold of N but once I have it things become more real and serious where concern and doubt arise

Oh yes, they do become more serious, don't they? Bringing home my tank of N2 didn't bring any elation, just sobriety.

Be kind to yourself, please. Be gentle with yourself. The whole idea of using N is to have a kind, gentle exit.

 

[Chinaski]

Its not about being ready
Planning is one thing before hand getting hold of N but once I have it things become more real and serious where concern and doubt arise

I will admit I am a coward when it comes to fear of pain and failure

Despite whatever the outcome could be I'm still gonna take it by say fuck it (sorry for my language) but then still I guess self satisfaction to make me feel relieve I ask this questions

You are most definitely not alone in feeling like this about ctb, l assure you. I've backed out of a partial about 20 times since l passed out the first time.

The thing is, until you've sourced anti emetics, you're still in the planning stage. N without anti emetics is definitely not advised.

 

[Schopenhauer]

There's no reason to do it without antiemetics. It's the easiest step. You shouldn't have any alcohol beforehand.

Anyway, there's no shame in having second thoughts. Fear of failure is real, regardless of the method. It's a very normal reaction.

Just take your time and do it (or don't) right.

PS: If you have a hard time getting the antiemetics, PM me. I should be able to help you with this minor detail.

 

[violetskin96]

There's no reason to do it without antiemetics. It's the easiest step. You shouldn't have any alcohol beforehand.

Anyway, there's no shame in having second thoughts. Fear of failure is real, regardless of the method. It's a very normal reaction.

Just take your time and do it (or don't) right.

PS: If you have a hard time getting the antiemetics, PM me. I should be able to help you with this minor detail.

what is the reason for not drinking alcohol prior? it is danger you are more likely to throw up even with antiemetics or is it becuase you might pass out before you finish... i need to cbt, but i think im gonna need a little exta push via alcohol or ativan - but not much.

 

[Lovemykids]

I have antiemetic back home

 

[Lovemykids]

what is the reason for not drinking alcohol prior? it is danger you are more likely to throw up even with antiemetics or is it becuase you might pass out before you finish... i need to cbt, but i think im gonna need a little exta push via alcohol or ativan - but not much.

I like this question

 

[Chinaski]

what is the reason for not drinking alcohol prior? it is danger you are more likely to throw up even with antiemetics or is it becuase you might pass out before you finish... i need to cbt, but i think im gonna need a little exta push via alcohol or ativan - but not much.

The risk of throwing up is greatly increased. Doing it with alcohol and no antiemetics is as effective as attempting full suspension hanging with a paper noose. If you want to go the dignitas way, it's best to follow the dignitas regimen as closely as possible, I'd have thought.

 

[Lovemykids]

How about with antiemetic and alcohol

 

[Schopenhauer]

what is the reason for not drinking alcohol prior? it is danger you are more likely to throw up even with antiemetics or is it becuase you might pass out before you finish... i need to cbt, but i think im gonna need a little exta push via alcohol or ativan - but not much.

I'm not an expert, and as far as I know, it hasn't been properly studied. But there are reports of bad interactions between alchool and antiemetics (you may easily test these on yourself, by combining drinking and meto, sans N).

Having alcohol beforehand may increase the chance of vomiting as well (it's an added strain on your body). This isn't ironclad, but I think it's better not to take chances. As Chinaski said, it's better to follow Dignitas' protocol as closely as possible. They have a proven track record.

 

[Chinaski]

How about with antiemetic and alcohol

I doubt you'll find any literature which recommends this, for the same reason.

I don't wish to sound pro-life, but at the same time I'd definitely urge anyone with the most peaceful exit available at hand, as you do, to opt out and delay rather than botch it in the way you're describing, as you'll fail miserably and suffer greatly as a result.

 

[violetskin96]

ativan it is. benzos are supposed to have enhancing effect so i'm not worried if i take the prescribed dose to calm nerves.

 

[Schopenhauer]

ativan it is. benzos are supposed to have enhancing effect so i'm not worried if i take the prescribed dose to calm nerves.

Benzos should be ok. Just don't use a large dose.

 

[Lovemykids]

I doubt you'll find any literature which recommends this, for the same reason.

I don't wish to sound pro-life, but at the same time I'd definitely urge anyone with the most peaceful exit available at hand, as you do, to opt out and delay rather than botch it in the way you're describing, as you'll fail miserably and suffer greatly as a result.

Please olobrate when u say suffer

 

[violetskin96]

i think suffer could mean, throwing up, brain damage ect. but honestly i dont think 2mg ativan would hurt. i can see how alcohol might upset the stomach, but pph says its fine to have a drink right after so idk i think as long your reasonable and conservative i think ppl are making to big of deal out of it. obviously procede at your own risk.

 

[Lovemykids]

I'm more of thinking more like mindset
Everyone told n taste sucks and chances of throwing up

I mean f it I will have at least 4 beers before as long there is no pain involve

 

[Chinaski]

You want to go without anti emetics - you'll vomit, have to put fingers down your throat to bring it all up. You'd be back to square one.

You want to go with alcohol - this could react with anti emetics (should you take them) and again you'll vomit, probably painfully and conspicuously.

You want a 5 hour wait before an email is sent. The necessary window is 12 hours. You could be rescued, comatose, recovery may be difficult.

You've mentioned diluting before. This is not recommended as it will take longer to work, thus leading again to problems if rescued and again heightens the risk of throwing up. Any attention drawn to yourself will result in a psyche ward, you won't be re-ordering N anytime soon.

N is the most peaceful exit out there if done right. It doesn't require much expertise beyond "don't eat, take pills, drink N, eat chocolate". If you're going to over complicate this because you don't feel ready to follow that regimen, then don't do it at all in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with not feeling ready; there's plenty wrong with ending up in a hospital bed puking your innards up before being whisked off to a psych ward.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I don't think they are necessary. I've seen a livestream of Phillip Nitschke from Exit International, where he discussed anti-emetics. He regularly talks about exit-methods and streams from facebook. According to him, anti-emetics are needed for people who suffer from an illness that makes feel nauseos. For example, cancer-patients that undergo chemo-therapy face a higher risk of vomiting due to the treatment-therapy. So if they would vomit after digesting N, they would also puke it up again before it could be fully taken up by the body, which increases the risk of surviving of course. That's why anti-emetics are recommended, because people with a terminal illness are a large part of the demographics that seek to end their lives.

He talks about it at the 25:04 mark:

 

[Chinaski]

I'm more of thinking more like mindset
Everyone told n taste sucks and chances of throwing up

I mean f it I will have at least 4 beers before as long there is no pain involve

I'd be scared of the taste too, given what I've read - but you have tasted it, said you were okay with it, even said that the taste was not the reason you were diluting it. Is the taste *that* bad?

 

[Lovemykids]

No no no phyc ward or coming back