N and the police

[Tomey]

Lets say you ordering N and it got seized and the police knocking on your door.

What are you going to say ?

 

[JustLosingMyself]

No point denying it, just say what it's purpose is.

 

[pleasethistime]

i didnt order it. this must be a joke.

 

[throwaway_2620]

No point denying it, just say what it's purpose is.

Good way to end up in the psych ward. Personally, with every question they ask, I would say "no comment". That way they can't prove shit/incriminate you.

 

[johnny]

"I want a lawyer" is all you should ever say in any circumstance where police are questioning you, regardless of what it is, and regardless of how innocent or guilty you appear to be.

Anything you say will only work against you, never in your favor.

 

[pleasethistime]

i wonder what the legal consequences are? though i am not in us. most people here are american, i guess.

 

[Tomey]

The police can go through the financial record, see that you withdraw some money that you can't explain on what you spend it

Lets say that they will see that i withdraw some cash , they can ask me, show me on what you spent it

Is Moneygram payments method is anonymous?

 

[Xerox]

Don't worry about it. Police have more pressing matters.

 

[Johnnythefox]

 

[NoChoice]

Not something to worry about, they don't have resources to be tracking payment info and tying it to IDs to track every little suspicious package, unless you are kingpin drug dealer moving product through the post. It's not a strong case because anyone could sabotage someone they don't like by mailing them illegal items, exes enemies politicans etc. the darknet is alive and well, the buyer almost never gets caught on there. Worst case your package gets seized and you're out some money, and that's not even likely unless you're shipping across country borders.

 

[Tomey]

Don't worry about it. Police have more pressing matters.

I don't think someone will put me in jail for this....
I am afraid to end in a psych ward and get some record in the police

 

[ddutch]

Here in Europe you can get a sentence of 80000 euro or 4 years in jail.
It is classified narcotics like heroine .
So they can arrest you for sure

 

[Chinaski]

It might be very much in keeping with the sentiment of this forum as a whole to describe a psych ward as hell on earth but a short stay in a psych ward is definitely preferable to several years in jail and a lifelong criminal record for drug importation, which is what you'd be prosecuted under should the evidence meet the standard.

Obviously this is a very big "if", but if anyone is arrested for N then any good lawyer will seek to mitigate on the grounds that it was a relatively small amount ordered for personal use during a fit of depression. If you're a chronic pain patient this will also be thrown in. The PPH will probably be cited in order to evidence lack of sophistication. Any lawyer seeking to avoid a custodial sentence will present the case accurately as pathetic and pitiable, rather than serious and organised. The consequences of this would involve a mental health evaluation and possibly a short term in a psych ward, but this is by far the better option.

Tl:dr, don't ever talk to the police without a solicitor, but be 100% open and honest with that solicitor.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

except no police will knock at your door for ordering n

you will get a letter from customs with a fine thats it

 

[JustLosingMyself]

Good way to end up in the psych ward. Personally, with every question they ask, I would say "no comment". That way they can't prove shit/incriminate you.

Beats a criminal record, with a possible fine and/or prison stay.

 

[2 be or not]

Lets say you ordering N and it got seized and the police knocking on your door.

What are you going to say ?

In that scenario you would not be in possession so the police would not have a charge against you.

Never talk to police, feign ignorance and as others have said, tell them you want a lawyer to speak on your behalf.

 

[Chinaski]

In that scenario you would not be in possession so the police would not have a charge against you.

They could still meet the evidence test for a charge of importation, you don't need to be in possession of it for that to be the case.

 

[WayOut]

This is all crap. Fear mongering. The police really don't want to bother with individuals who order N. The only reason they occasionally have crackdowns is because they have to be seen to be doing something. Every batch of customs interceptions in various countries happens immediately after PN gets his fucking face in the news, taunting the police. He's a complete dick, and he literally throws his own people under the bus if it means publicity for him.

No-one cares if a person orders N for the purpose of suicide. No authority wants to waste time, money and finite resources tracking people down. It's not a thing, until PN makes it a thing. Luckily, this is only an occasional occurrence.

 

[TAW122]

It might be very much in keeping with the sentiment of this forum as a whole to describe a psych ward as hell on earth but a short stay in a psych ward is definitely preferable to several years in jail and a lifelong criminal record for drug importation, which is what you'd be prosecuted under should the evidence meet the standard.

Obviously this is a very big "if", but if anyone is arrested for N then any good lawyer will seek to mitigate on the grounds that it was a relatively small amount ordered for personal use during a fit of depression. If you're a chronic pain patient this will also be thrown in. The PPH will probably be cited in order to evidence lack of sophistication. Any lawyer seeking to avoid a custodial sentence will present the case accurately as pathetic and pitiable, rather than serious and organised. The consequences of this would involve a mental health evaluation and possibly a short term in a psych ward, but this is by far the better option.

Tl:dr, don't ever talk to the police without a solicitor, but be 100% open and honest with that solicitor.

Could you explain how someone going to the psych ward would be the lesser of two evils? I see that either way said person will lose their civil rights and also have a permanent mark on their background check or records, which will affect what they do later in lilfe (job, licensure, other rights, social and personal lives).

Just fyi, I am not thinking about N as my method as I already have my method over a month ago, which is a firearm (legally obtained).

 

[WayOut]

Could you explain how someone going to the psych ward would be the lesser of two evils?

Are you serious? Compared to getting a criminal record?

I think it's rubbish that people are going to be hunted down and locked up for trying to import N, but what you're saying here? This is nonsense.

 

[ReadyasEver]

US Customs as crappy as they are at times are ramping up seizures, but it is a completely random occurrence.

 

[Chinaski]

This is all crap. Fear mongering.

The OP asked a hypothetical question about the law, which was answered with very little fear-mongering imo. It's an unavoidable truth that importing a class A drug is illegal.

Could you explain how someone going to the psych ward would be the lesser of two evils?

There are worse places to be and worse situations to be in than spending a relatively short time under observation in a psych ward. I know it goes against your "suicidal people are persecuted" argument to admit this, but l dare say most people would prefer a fortnight in an NHS hospital to spending months or years sharing an 8x6 cell with Big Mick McBastard, in an environment awash with drugs and wanton violence under the care of the wonderful and dedicated prison service employees, avoiding a round-the-clock fist-fucking in the communal showers whilst looking forward to your monthly, hour-long visit from a loved one, but each to their own l guess.

 

[21Neberg]

I'd say I didn't order it. If they do prove I ordered it, I'd be honest. Then I'd try to hang myself.

 

[Johnnythefox]

Big Mick McBastard

I didn't know you knew Mick! He's out now and working for the DWP.

 

[Chinaski]

I didn't know you knew Mick! He's out now and working for the DWP.

As career progressions go, HMP > DWP is something of a downward trajectory imo.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I didn't know you knew Mick! He's out now and working for the DWP.

Don't make me laugh when I'm eating my supper

 

[JustAboutDone]

The OP asked a hypothetical question about the law, which was answered with very little fear-mongering imo. It's an unavoidable truth that imA drug is illegal.



There are worse places to be and worse situations to be in than spending a relatively short time under observation in a psych ward. I know it goes against most people would prefer a fortnight in an NHS hospital .

There are worse places to be and worse situations to be in than spending a relatively short time under observation in a psych ward. I know it goes against your "suicidal people are persecuted" argument to admit this, but l dare say most people would prefer a fortnight in an NHS hospital to spending months or years sharing an 8x6 cell with Big Mick McBastard, in an environment awash with drugs and wanton violence under the care of the wonderful and dedicated prison service employees, avoiding a round-the-clock fist-fucking in the communal showers whilst looking forward to your monthly, hour-long visit from a loved one, but each to their own l guess.

I'd be amazed these days if anyone got an NHS bed for a fortnight even. Not with the Spangly New "Home Treatment Team" who can come to your home any time 24/7 and give you a sedative injection to avoid hospital admissions :-)

 

[ReadyasEver]

I would not worry even in the US, if on the rare occurrence US Customs seized your shipment, most likely you will not prosecuted, especially in you have no priors. Maybe a fine and some probation time at the worst. If you have priors, that could get interesting for you.

 

[2 be or not]

They could still meet the evidence test for a charge of importation, you don't need to be in possession of it for that to be the case.

Can you provide a link as evidence of that ever happening? Without the charge of possession, the only evidence the police would have in the scenario the OP describes is an illegally obtained electronic trail.

 

[Terminated]

Lets say you ordering N and it got seized and the police knocking on your door.

What are you going to say ?

You can use N as a purging gas for beer brewing. So it's very unlikely to even be looked into.
Even if it is just say you're using it for brewing purposes or paint preservation.