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I think death is a complex process. There are psychological and mental factors that are not taken too much into consideration IMO. I had a NDE more than 20 years ago and I can clearly remember two stages: the stage when the body is failing (which is terrible) and the "stage of the mind" (which is even worse); of the twos the most difficult part of dying is the mental factor. I'm talking about dealing with what you "are" once you loose contact with your body and your mind is still alive and conscious. I'm pretty sure that the last moment (at least my last moment) will be painful, I don't even think that a painless death is possible, at least for me. I think the mental factor is the most painful and difficult aspect of dying, something that require a lot of training. I know that there are means to overcome the problem but I would like to go through that pain because I want to experience once again what came after the "mental pain" stage.
How did you know your body was failing during your NDE? And did you feel any physical pain during your NDE? And when you went through the mental pain, was it anxiety or sadness? Like what kind of mental pain was it?
No. Aap knows the science better, and has explained elsewhere.
I understand completely why it's painless but it's hard not to panic before ctb. I worry mostly of psychological pain during the process.
 
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How did you know your body was failing during your NDE? And did you feel any physical pain during your NDE? And when you went through the mental pain, was it anxiety or sadness? Like what kind of mental pain was it?
Well I was dying... my body was simply shutting down, one piece after the other. I finally passed out when I was unable to breath; the physical pain before passing out was that of a heart attack and other weird stuff (like being stabbed in my chest, plus electric shocks in my head). Concerning the mental pain: it was not anxiety or sadness, it was just the most terrible fear I ever experienced. It was like being conscious for real and for the first time in my life; the most difficult thing to deal with was being conscious that I was dying and that I was alone. It's not easy to describe that fear and that loneliness: there is nothing as a living being that can be compared to that (at least in my experience). That said there's a beautiful moment when you decide to let go everything and everything becomes just beautiful; actually this has been the most terrible and most beautiful experience I ever lived.

Concerning the mental pain I have to say that in my case is related with consciousness. I think this is a very subjective aspect: lots of people can become unconscious very easily, but I'm totally unable to lose my "sense of self" even if I'm heavily drunk or under drugs. :-/
 
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um, gunshot is painless though.
most buckshot loads are around 1300 FPS while pain nerve impulses travel at 0.61 meters a second.
translate FPS to meters a second and you get 396 meters a second.
this doesn't account for how and where you're aiming for the brain though, but anything taking the top 3 lobes of the brain out or damaging them will surely kill you quick.
considering even one foot per second is 30 centimeters, and the brain is 18 centimeters long, that warrants a lot of damage in a short amount of time.
 
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The way they kill people by lethal injection is painless. You are doped out of your head on barbiturates before your body systems start to shut down
Actually that is wrong. The way people and pets die via euthanasia is virtually painless. Execution is quite painful and horrible because no pharmaceutical companies are willing to sell barbituates like Nembutal to the state. So they use an awful cocktail of a paralytic ( you can't move or scream,) a benzo and something that stops your heart that supposedly feels like acid or fire coursing through your veins.
I didn't create the post to talk about which methods are painless, just to debunk.

@Aap, I buy that but also feel like it's easy to get the angle wrong, especially if you're in a state of deep distress, and getting it wrong could make for a slow agonizing death.
I agree those methods are unlikely to be completely painless but may be so rapid that it is negligible. Certainly if the person miscalculates then it can be slower and quite painful.
 
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I didn't create the post to talk about which methods are painless, just to debunk.

@Aap, I buy that but also feel like it's easy to get the angle wrong, especially if you're in a state of deep distress, and getting it wrong could make for a slow agonizing death.
I know 2 people who got the angle wrong and then lived. They both had some scars and whatnot, but were not half as fucked up as you'd think. I didn't even know it was possible for that to happen. I'm assuming the gun has a lot to do with it, but it just seems like any gun would be pretty bad on your head.
 
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In one lethal injection, they didn't hit the vein and injected the drugs into a muscle:

He writhed, groaned, convulsed, and spoke during the process and attempted to rise from the execution table fourteen minutes into the procedure, despite having been declared unconscious.

the execution team made several attempts to insert IVs into Lockett's arms and groin before inserting an IV in his femoral vein. However, they failed to ensure the IV went in all the way, resulting in the drugs being absorbed into Lockett's muscle.


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Well I was dying... my body was simply shutting down, one piece after the other. I finally passed out when I was unable to breath; the physical pain before passing out was that of a heart attack and other weird stuff (like being stabbed in my chest, plus electric shocks in my head). Concerning the mental pain: it was not anxiety or sadness, it was just the most terrible fear I ever experienced. It was like being conscious for real and for the first time in my life; the most difficult thing to deal with was being conscious that I was dying and that I was alone. It's not easy to describe that fear and that loneliness: there is nothing as a living being that can be compared to that (at least in my experience). That said there's a beautiful moment when you decide to let go everything and everything becomes just beautiful; actually this has been the most terrible and most beautiful experience I ever lived.

Concerning the mental pain I have to say that in my case is related with consciousness. I think this is a very subjective aspect: lots of people can become unconscious very easily, but I'm totally unable to lose my "sense of self" even if I'm heavily drunk or under drugs. :-/
So you knew your organs were shutting down when unconscious? Or you mean you felt all that when you were still conscious?
 
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So you knew your organs were shutting down when unconscious? Or you mean you felt all that when you were still conscious?
When I was still conscious I knew that things were going horribly wrong all over my body. My attention was on the heart and breath mainly though. Once unconscious my body wasn't a problem anymore, it wasn't "there" anymore. I even pissed myself without noticing it.
 
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When I was still conscious I knew that things were going horribly wrong all over my body. My attention was on the heart and breath mainly though. Once unconscious my body wasn't a problem anymore, it wasn't "there" anymore. I even pissed myself without noticing it.
So when you were unconscious, was death still scary like mentally? Did you see anything when unconscious during your NDE?
 
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So when you were unconscious, was death still scary like mentally? Did you see anything when unconscious during your NDE?
It's when I was unconscious that it was painful mentally. As I lost contact with my body some images popped up in my mind; nothing special really, I think it was just the mind trying to do its job by producing some "content". As said I was in terror at first, and felt incredibly lonely. Then I realized that nothing really matters at all, and decided to let go everything. Once I accepted that I was dying I "found" myself in a "room"; in this room there was 5 persons and these persons was myself. I think this was just an allucination/dream experience produced by the brain. After this stage everything become black and a small white light appeared; this light probably was the most beautiful thing I ever seen in my life. I remember I was able to see the light and at the same time I was that light. To be honest I wouldn't describe it as light... just imagine a led bulb in the darkness. Other than this I didn't see anything special; I suppose this depends on the fact that I don't believe in any supernatural entity/god/whatever...
 
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It's when I was unconscious that it was painful mentally. As I lost contact with my body some images popped up in my mind; nothing special really, I think it was just the mind trying to do its job by producing some "content". As said I was in terror at first, and felt incredibly lonely. Then I realized that nothing really matters at all, and decided to let go everything. Once I accepted that I was dying I "found" myself in a "room"; in this room there was 5 persons and these persons was myself. I think this was just an allucination/dream experience produced by the brain. After this stage everything become black and a small white light appeared; this light probably was the most beautiful thing I ever seen in my life. I remember I was able to see the light and at the same time I was that light. To be honest I wouldn't describe it as light... just imagine a led bulb in the darkness. Other than this I didn't see anything special; I suppose this depends on the fact that I don't believe in any supernatural entity/god/whatever...
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