SpiritualDeath
I return to the raiding shadows of death.
- Sep 9, 2023
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is that if we continue to exist we'll continue to be in the imperfect state full of unnecessary fight, rat race, problems and suffering. This will never end, until there's no more "us" to experience anything (which is ideal).
We're just a broken system that can't ever resolve a problem without creating new ones. The problems exist because we exist in the first place actually. This is just how it works to exist, and honestly it's kind of stupid.
However I wouldn't say that anyone is *morally obliged* to do anything. I have found one version of efilism (which claims that humans are morally obliged to continue to exist until they find a way to wipe it all out) quite unsatisfactory. To me it's just another thing that focuses on achieving some future dreams (which may not work), while creating problems in the here and now, and it's putting too much hope on humanity as a system...
Like, if you give birth to a child and expect them to embrace (and work towards the goal of that version of) efilism, even if you claim that it's for the "greater good", you're actually still creating problems and causing them pain (since they may not like it at all), and that's not selfless at all, nor does it reduce suffering (instead of creating more problems to be resolved).
And it's so easy for people to blind themselves and totally ignore the amount of suffering that's going on in this existence, just to reject this idea that they don't like.
Yep. That's how broken we are.
I find it funny how we live in a stupidly primitive way (such as having a body and having necessary needs, communicating in an inefficient way, keep being in a loop of creating problems and trying to resolve them, with the intention of keeping the loop going, etc. ). I even start to feel that it's kind of stupid to not want out tbh.
It's bold and arrogant to assume that those cases of extreme suffering won't happen to someone (or someone's child). You're not morally obliged to end it, but if you want to continue with life, or even want to procreate, you should expect anything that can happen to happen. It's that simple.
If there's a chance to raise more awareness, I would say getting them to think twice about giving birth, and seriously thinking about legalizing assisted suicide so that everyone is allowed to be freed if they choose to would be in the right direction. But again I wouldn't have much hope given how broken we are as a system.
rn I just want to relax and free fall, enjoy myself as much as I can, while still being sensitive to what and how suffering is produced and trying to reduce as much as possible. When shit gets too unacceptable I'll ctb. I feel like it's inevitably leading me towards ctb but that's not a bad thing, is it? But seriously, I feel like once you begin realizing these things and thinking like this there's just no turning back.
We're just a broken system that can't ever resolve a problem without creating new ones. The problems exist because we exist in the first place actually. This is just how it works to exist, and honestly it's kind of stupid.
However I wouldn't say that anyone is *morally obliged* to do anything. I have found one version of efilism (which claims that humans are morally obliged to continue to exist until they find a way to wipe it all out) quite unsatisfactory. To me it's just another thing that focuses on achieving some future dreams (which may not work), while creating problems in the here and now, and it's putting too much hope on humanity as a system...
Like, if you give birth to a child and expect them to embrace (and work towards the goal of that version of) efilism, even if you claim that it's for the "greater good", you're actually still creating problems and causing them pain (since they may not like it at all), and that's not selfless at all, nor does it reduce suffering (instead of creating more problems to be resolved).
And it's so easy for people to blind themselves and totally ignore the amount of suffering that's going on in this existence, just to reject this idea that they don't like.
Yep. That's how broken we are.
I find it funny how we live in a stupidly primitive way (such as having a body and having necessary needs, communicating in an inefficient way, keep being in a loop of creating problems and trying to resolve them, with the intention of keeping the loop going, etc. ). I even start to feel that it's kind of stupid to not want out tbh.
It's bold and arrogant to assume that those cases of extreme suffering won't happen to someone (or someone's child). You're not morally obliged to end it, but if you want to continue with life, or even want to procreate, you should expect anything that can happen to happen. It's that simple.
If there's a chance to raise more awareness, I would say getting them to think twice about giving birth, and seriously thinking about legalizing assisted suicide so that everyone is allowed to be freed if they choose to would be in the right direction. But again I wouldn't have much hope given how broken we are as a system.
rn I just want to relax and free fall, enjoy myself as much as I can, while still being sensitive to what and how suffering is produced and trying to reduce as much as possible. When shit gets too unacceptable I'll ctb. I feel like it's inevitably leading me towards ctb but that's not a bad thing, is it? But seriously, I feel like once you begin realizing these things and thinking like this there's just no turning back.
