My psychiatrist said

[Ch92921]

My psychiatrist said negativ thoughts can be eliminated by learning. I say that is bullshit. Our brain is biological built to focus on negativ factors like stress, problems, insults etc.

 

[GreenTree]

Psychiatrist get paid lots. They can never know how we feel. It's all guesswork by them. Mine is nice but she can't help. How can they possibly know what's going in our minds.

 

[Hollowman]

They're worthless I hate them

 

[FuneralCry]

I believe that having negative thoughts are a perfectly normal response to the suffering that someone is experiencing. I am not sure that you can learn them away, I believe that the only way to get rid of negative thoughts would be to remove what is causing them in the first place. I can imagine that it must be frustrating having to deal with a psychiatrist like that. I wish you the best.

 

[Sherri]

Well mine the other day I said I was anxious, aggressive while driving, picked a bla bla bla argument with a lady at a store something I would never do. And said listen doc. I'm really worried I feel like a pressure cooker about to explode, he prescribed me something, I came home. Read the label, was an anti epileptic with diet properties. I was like what the hell is this? At least some Valium or diazepam no? Told him it's not working, refuse to give me any more benzos. I said even the lady from the pharmacy told me that's not for stress and anxiety, he said Im the doctor, I've studied more than her and I just shut up and threw the pills away.

 

[myopybyproxy]

Well mine the other day I said I was anxious, aggressive while driving, picked a bla bla bla argument with a lady at a store something I would never do. And said listen doc. I'm really worried I feel like a pressure cooker about to explode, he prescribed me something, I came home. Read the label, was an anti epileptic with diet properties. I was like what the hell is this? At least some Valium or diazepam no? Told him it's not working, refuse to give me any more benzos. I said even the lady from the pharmacy told me that's not for stress and anxiety, he said Im the doctor, I've studied more than her and I just shut up and threw the pills away.

Doctors love to prescribe anti-epileptics, lol. I was given topiramate when I told my GP I had trouble sleeping. That was exactly as useless as one might expect.

 

[Sherri]

Doctors love to prescribe anti-epileptics, lol. I was given topiramate when I told my GP I had trouble sleeping. That was exactly as useless as one might expect.

Omg your my guardian angel, that's exactly what he prescribed me! You gave me goosebumps!!!! One in the am and one at night. Doesn't do S.

 

[myopybyproxy]

Omg your my guardian angel, that's exactly what he prescribed me! You gave me goosebumps!!!! One in the am and one at night. Doesn't do S.

Yep, it just made me unable to concentrate on anything (rather dangerous when driving to and from work, not to mention my performance at work suffered tremendously) and feel clouded all the time, even though I took very low doses and only at night. I can't imagine taking it in the morning, yuck. Kudos to you for binning the script.

Sorry to derail the thread, OP. Whilst you do have a point in that biologically the brain does hyperfixate on acceptance and approval from the tribe (hence why our eyes are white, so that we can track pupil movement and thus notice where people's attention is directed), I do think that learning plays a huge role both in the development and reversal of depression. Have you ever heard of learnt helplessness? There are rather famous studies where they kept dogs in cages and gave them electric shocks through the floors. Eventually, even though the dogs were able to escape the cage, they gave up and accepted the shocks. People are much the same; when you're in an environment that treats you like shit and all your attempts to fix it fail, it makes perfect sense that you'd learn to give up and be hopeless.

I'm not sure how to begin unlearning depression, or learning hope or whatever. Society doesn't give us much to be hopeful about. I struggle with this concept myself. But I do believe that it can be done, at least for some.

 

[Sherri]

Yep, it just made me unable to concentrate on anything (rather dangerous when driving to and from work, not to mention my performance at work suffered tremendously) and feel clouded all the time, even though I took very low doses and only at night. I can't imagine taking it in the morning, yuck. Kudos to you for binning the script.

Mine is 25mg, I'm already taking an anti epilept one, why add another? Just not to prescribe me benzos. Evil BEEP. Thank you for your info.

 

[WadeingThru]

Sounds like big pharma is pushing Topamax aka topiramate. They gotta make that money.

 

[Kristicide]

Omg your my guardian angel, that's exactly what he prescribed me! You gave me goosebumps!!!! One in the am and one at night. Doesn't do S.

Oh yeah I've taken Topamax for years. I have a love/hate relationship with it. I LOVE the quick and sustained weight lose. After years of being on it my hair was falling out, I developed ostiopenia (1 step under osteoporosis), it makes you so dopey that you forget basic things and how to speak which affects work performance.

 

[waitingforrest]

I can't stand my psychiatrist to be honest. I came into the sessions to talk about how I am doing and all he gave me was a motivational pep talk, and went on and on about how much I have to learn about life because he is mature.

Like, no. Stop saying I can just rationalize away my "negative" thoughts, doc.

 

[Justsogone]

By learning what?

 

[noaccount]

Your thoughts *can* be changed by learning, but whether or not you *want* to change your thoughts is another question altogether... I certainly don't want to change my thinking *in the ways* that doctors, psychologists, and my family have wanted me to!

 

[Hollowman]

I can't stand my psychiatrist to be honest. I came into the sessions to talk about how I am doing and all he gave me was a motivational pep talk, and went on and on about how much I have to learn about life because he is mature.

Like, no. Stop saying I can just rationalize away my "negative" thoughts, doc.

Fire that POS asap

 

[TheBigGuiltHaver]

My psychiatrist said negativ thoughts can be eliminated by learning. I say that is bullshit. Our brain is biological built to focus on negativ factors like stress, problems, insults etc.

Learning is how I became suicidal in the first place, learning how human brains operate, learning how humans operate in general, learning how the world operates, fuck that shit. Ever heard of blissful ignorance, doc? Our brain being built like it is and having to fight every single day to have a decent... fine, tolerable? maybe even just survivable existence is another reason why I choose not to continue. Why the hell would I want to spend my entire life fighting? Not only just fighting, but fighting my own brain's unconscious response to things, things that are typically reasonable to stress out about as well no matter how much one would go through the effort of "re-wiring" one's brain. So shit.

 

[noaccount]

Right... exactly... the fact that you *could* learn to change your thinking in a particular way, by no means means that you *should*. It's up to you. You're the expert on your life.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

My psychiatrist said negativ thoughts can be eliminated by learning. I say that is bullshit. Our brain is biological built to focus on negativ factors like stress, problems, insults etc.

Sorry, but he's right. Your brain can be trained to refocus when you start to dwell in the negative. Although humans have feelings that are wired into their brain, the brain itself is just a squishy machine. It routes thoughts into the grooves and patterns that are already there, but new grooves and patterns are possible.

But do you want to? 'Cause it's work, and it takes practice. Once you learn how to do it, you have to practice and keep practicing until it becomes your new normal. It can seem impossible, but it's is technically possible.

Your brain was not built to focus on the negative. You have built your brain that way, and it will take work to rebuild it another way. Just as if you were building a house, you'll have to tear down the old frame and erect a new structure to build on.

Some of us are just very, very good at only seeing the bad side of things. A lot of it has to do with the messages we heard when we were young. It could also be the ones we didn't hear. And your shrink may be an asshole, but it doesn't mean he's wrong.

 

[Ch92921]

Sorry, but he's right. Your brain can be trained to refocus when you start to dwell in the negative. Although humans have feelings that are wired into their brain, the brain itself is just a squishy machine. It routes thoughts into the grooves and patterns that are already there, but new grooves and patterns are possible.

But do you want to? 'Cause it's work, and it takes practice. Once you learn how to do it, you have to practice and keep practicing until it becomes your new normal. It can seem impossible, but it's is technically possible.

Your brain was not built to focus on the negative. You have built your brain that way, and it will take work to rebuild it another way. Just as if you were building a house, you'll have to tear down the old frame and erect a new structure to build on.

Some of us are just very, very good at only seeing the bad side of things. A lot of it has to do with the messages we heard when we were young. It could also be the ones we didn't hear. And your shrink may be an asshole, but it doesn't mean he's wrong.

Maybe.

But you agree that sexual orientation is neonataly wired and cant be changed?

 

[Forever Dead]

My mental illness is biological, so therefore any kind of learning, posotive thinking etc will do very little or nothing at all to alleviate my symptoms. I have tried cognitive behaviour therapy and psychoanalysis several times over the years with no posotive effects whatsoever. I have a broken brain in the biological sense, so therefore talking therapys etc are futile. Its like having a broken leg and talking to your leg in a therapeutic way and hoping it will get better. All those psychiatrists are filthy rich and rarely listen to what people are saying anyway. Its all a scam.

 

[ready.to.go]

I do think that positive thinking can change a lot in your life and the way you interact with the world and your thoughts, *but* that only works for small things. If you're planning to ctb, no amount of positive thinking will change your mind

 

[come to dust]

Psychiatrist get paid lots. They can never know how we feel. It's all guesswork by them. Mine is nice but she can't help. How can they possibly know what's going in our minds.

Exactly. There will always be a gap in undsrstanding between a rich, succesful, well established doctor who fits into society's mould, and an outcast who is suicidal and unsucceful. Two different worlds.

 

[june]

Interesting convo

 

[noaccount]

Sorry, but he's right. Your brain can be trained to refocus when you start to dwell in the negative. Although humans have feelings that are wired into their brain, the brain itself is just a squishy machine. It routes thoughts into the grooves and patterns that are already there, but new grooves and patterns are possible.

But do you want to? 'Cause it's work, and it takes practice. Once you learn how to do it, you have to practice and keep practicing until it becomes your new normal. It can seem impossible, but it's is technically possible.

Your brain was not built to focus on the negative. You have built your brain that way, and it will take work to rebuild it another way. Just as if you were building a house, you'll have to tear down the old frame and erect a new structure to build on.

Some of us are just very, very good at only seeing the bad side of things. A lot of it has to do with the messages we heard when we were young. It could also be the ones we didn't hear. And your shrink may be an asshole, but it doesn't mean he's wrong.

I mean, we should NOT assume that Ch92921 is *actually* only focusing on the negative just because a psychiatrist said that they were. Whether or not Ch92921 suffers from thought-patterns like this is something they themself know best - not a psychiatrist, a profession that routinely blames people's inner thoughts for troubles brought on by complicated environmental and social dynamics.

 

[Coffeandamug]

Honestly I think that it is muuuuch more complicated than that. To put labels as "negative" and "positive" to experiences, thoughts, memories and feelings is a start, but not a good way to look at cognition, the chemichal processes involved and it's problems. that's, of course, just my opinion but your psychiatrist is a little off. And so is everyone who gets stuck in the "Positivity" "Negativity" oversimplification duality for debates about human experiences. But it is a start...