My problems are unfixable and death is the only solution

[Pcgamer1]

Right now the anti trans attacks keep getting worse in the USA. We just had a trans person do a mass shooting in TN, and tomorrow or within the coming days the attacks will get even worse. There's so many other issues in the USA happening as well like the housing crisis. Fascism is rising really fast, and roughly half the country supports the GOP who wants to do things like bring back child labor, ban books, ban trans healthcare, etc. My personality is so ruined from covid, the anti trans attacks and other things that death is the only fix. Things will only get worse in my life time. If I die then i end my suffering and then landlords and employers can no longer exploit me

 

[Galileo3630]

That's awful, USA really is a third world country with a Gucci belt, I'm sorry you're going through all of this suffering.. But suicide really isn't the answer when the government has failed you, move to the EU, governments here are so much nicer and will shelter you no matter what as we consider people as people. USA is like a big, long south park episode. Joke of a nation.

But yet again, if you've exhausted every single option in your arsenal and CTB really feels like the only answer, who am I to stop you from a peaceful release.

 

[FuneralCry]

That sounds really horrible, this world undeniably is hell and it's disgusting how humans create so much harm. It's very much understandable wishing to finally be from all suffering, I hope that you find what you are searching for.

 

[Dead Ghost]

If the problem is not you, but the environment you live in, you just have to change it for another where you are more comfortable.
The answer is obvious and you've probably thought about it yourself many times... but I guess it's not that easy to change homes, countries, etc... at least it's not for me.

good luck

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Si el problema no ets tu, sinó l'entorn on vius, només l'has de canviar per un altre on t'hi trobis més a gust.
La resposta és obvia i segurament ja l'has pensat tu mateix moltes vegades... però suposo que no és tan fàcil canviar d'habitatge, país, etc... al menys no ho és per mi.

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[Pcgamer1]

That's awful, USA really is a third world country with a Gucci belt, I'm sorry you're going through all of this suffering.. But suicide really isn't the answer when the government has failed you, move to the EU, governments here are so much nicer and will shelter you no matter what as we consider people as people. USA is like a big, long south park episode. Joke of a nation.

But yet again, if you've exhausted every single option in your arsenal and CTB really feels like the only answer, who am I to stop you from a peaceful release.

I'm at the very least 5-10 years away from that even being a possibility. And even then it's very hard to immigrate and make new friends in the EU

 

[Galileo3630]

I'd be your friend, and even then, there are loads of people in EU who are just as friendly and looking to make close friends.

I'm at the very least 5-10 years away from that even being a possibility, how come if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Pcgamer1]

If the problem is not you, but the environment you live in, you just have to change it for another where you are more comfortable.
The answer is obvious and you've probably thought about it yourself many times... but I guess it's not that easy to change homes, countries, etc... at least it's not for me.

good luck

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Si el problema no ets tu, sinó l'entorn on vius, només l'has de canviar per un altre on t'hi trobis més a gust.
La resposta és obvia i segurament ja l'has pensat tu mateix moltes vegades... però suposo que no és tan fàcil canviar d'habitatge, país, etc... al menys no ho és per mi.

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I want to move to the EU but it's an unrealistic goal for at least 5-10 years.

I'd be your friend, and even then, there are loads of people in EU who are just as friendly and looking to make close friends.

I'm at the very least 5-10 years away from that even being a possibility, how come if you don't mind me asking?

I would say it comes down to finances and also i would need to find a job down there and be able to keep one. I work in IT so my skills are fairly in demand, but it's still tough to get a job. I also need to learn a new language which is tough

 

[Galileo3630]

I want to move to the EU but it's an unrealistic goal for at least 5-10 years.

I would say it comes down to finances and also i would need to find a job down there and be able to keep one. I work in IT so my skills are fairly in demand, but it's still tough to get a job. I also need to learn a new language which is tough

I mean, loads of jobs in EU require you to speak mostly perfect English, so if you tick that regard, especially if you move to an EU country which has a lot of English speaking citizens, I'm sure you'd fit right in.

 

[Shadowlord900]

I sympathize with OP. It's not easy finding a new place to live, especially migrating over to a new country, which in of itself is also a very stressful process and it's no guarantee it's going to fix all your issues. If you do go through all of that trouble of moving into a new country and that also doesn't work out for you, you're only gonna feel even worse in the end.

 

[Rational man]

Your pain.sounds awful and im so sorry. There seems to be so much violence and.bigotry in the world. We.need peace and love and acceptance of.all.people.

That's awful, USA really is a third world country with a Gucci belt, I'm sorry you're going through all of this suffering.. But suicide really isn't the answer when the government has failed you, move to the EU, governments here are so much nicer and will shelter you no matter what as we consider people as people. USA is like a big, long south park episode. Joke of a nation.

But yet again, if you've exhausted every single option in your arsenal and CTB really feels like the only answer, who am I to stop you from a peaceful release.

Yes i agree in part regarding acceptance and tolerance issues in USA, but theres a growing fascist movement in some EU countries and the unelected honchos in Brussels appear to be powerless. I think France is becoming volatile and even in Sweden, the far right is gaining traction. I live in the UK and we do get sporadic attacks but i don't think our government rhetoric helps. British are generally accepting in my view. I mean in my little town i see guys holding hands in the street, which is kinda nice.

 

[TheSadStranger]

Right now the anti trans attacks keep getting worse in the USA. We just had a trans person do a mass shooting in TN, and tomorrow or within the coming days the attacks will get even worse. There's so many other issues in the USA happening as well like the housing crisis. Fascism is rising really fast, and roughly half the country supports the GOP who wants to do things like bring back child labor, ban books, ban trans healthcare, etc. My personality is so ruined from covid, the anti trans attacks and other things that death is the only fix. Things will only get worse in my life time. If I die then i end my suffering and then landlords and employers can no longer exploit me

I don't know what to say, but I am aware of the attacks because I am from TN. I can't relate to your situation nor can I fix the political troubles of the world. What I can say is ctb probably is the best option. The world is you oyster. If people don't like you somewhere (and they don't wish you physical harm) just let it roll off of you and go somewhere else. My perspective on politics is people can do what they want as long as they aren't harming others or themselves*(ctb is acceptable in some cases such as mine, but it doesn't mean that you can't). Again I can't stop you, but I just hope you consider your options and your world while you are still able to make a choice. Remember life is a gift regardless of how shitty it might seem. I have suffered all of my life. I'm not stranger to pain or suffering. However you suffer in a way I can't relate to, so it's hard to give advice. The world can be a cruel place, and not everyone gets a happy ending. That being said it's called the pursuit of happiness. It's not handed out. I've pursued happiness all my life and have not lasting fruits. Now my life is coming to an end somewhere between now and the next 13 months. Just because thing haven't worked out for me doesn't mean they won't work out for you. I implore you to keep searching for a place of acceptance if that's what brings you happiness. Above all I hope you keep pursuing happiness in general because you'll never know if you find it or not if you quit now.

 

[orca87]

I would say it comes down to finances and also i would need to find a job down there and be able to keep one. I work in IT so my skills are fairly in demand, but it's still tough to get a job. I also need to learn a new language which is tough

I'm from the EU. I guess finding a job in the tech industry at the moment is hard, but probably easier in EU than US (at the moment).
Language is not really needed if you go to hubs in Netherlands, Spain or Portugal, probably Scandinavia, probably Baltics. You could get along with English very well, probably even in Grmany or France.
I work in tech, too. Feel free to DM me.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

Remember life is a gift regardless of how shitty it might seem.

Just an FYI, many if not most people on a suicide forum do not and will not ever believe "life is a gift". Its considered a useless pro-lifer platitude. Any argument past that is then rendered fodder. Its is also considered toxic positivity because your post would require it be a statement of fact and that we commonly agree in order for any of your words to be useful. Those who offer it up never take this into consideration so words fall on death ears. It is quite frustrating to hear and its words we often come here to escape.

Not suggesting you don't mean well. Rather suggesting the argument you have structured and believe to be helpful may actually not be doing what it was intended to do. For some individuals its harmful and even infuriating.


EDIT: OP I hope you will at least try a few of the suggestions on moving before giving up. Despite us both being in the same hellpit. I do hope you can get better. I too hate the US and what it is becoming.

 

[TheSadStranger]

Just an FYI, many if not most people on a suicide forum do not and will not ever believe "life is a gift". Its considered a useless pro-lifer platitude. Any argument past that is then rendered fodder. Its is also considered toxic positivity because your post would require it be a statement of fact and that we commonly agree in order for any of your words to be useful. Those who offer it up never take this into consideration so words fall on death ears. It is quite frustrating to hear and its words we often come here to escape.

Not suggesting you don't mean well. Rather suggesting the argument you have structured and believe to be helpful may actually not be doing what it was intended to do. For some individuals its harmful and even infuriating.

I'm not aiming for toxic positivity. I'm aiming to make sure people know what they want. By no means am I "pro-lifer". I'm simply offering perspective on both sides of the coin. I say it all the time that life is your oyster. If you want to ctb there's nothing I can do to stop you nor will I try to stop you. Anyone is free to so whatever they want with their life. They can completely ignore my comments if they do desire. I can't change someone's mind anymore than I can control the time of day. I'm offering my take on this thing we call life. Anyone is free to take it into consideration or completely ignore it if they wish to.

Edit: All I'm trying to say is if you pursue happiness your current situation can get better if you try. OP if you disagree feel free to completely ignore this post.

 

[Unattainable666]

That's awful, USA really is a third world country with a Gucci belt, I'm sorry you're going through all of this suffering.. But suicide really isn't the answer when the government has failed you, move to the EU, governments here are so much nicer and will shelter you no matter what as we consider people as people. USA is like a big, long south park episode. Joke of a nation.

But yet again, if you've exhausted every single option in your arsenal and CTB really feels like the only answer, who am I to stop you from a peaceful release.

If I had the money I would move out of the US immediately. But since I too want the pain to stop.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

I'm not aiming for toxic positivity. I'm aiming to make sure people know what they want. By no means am I "pro-lifer". I'm simply offering perspective on both sides of the coin. I say it all the time that life is your oyster. If you want to ctb there's nothing I can do to stop you nor will I try to stop you. Anyone is free to so whatever they want with their life. They can completely ignore my comments if they do desire. I can't change someone's mind anymore than I can control the time of day. I'm offering my take on this thing we call life. Anyone is free to take it into consideration or completely ignore it if they wish to.

I wasn't suggesting you were a pro-lifer or that you were trying to discourage him from making a choice, or that your aim was toxic positivity. I was very deliberate in my phrasing so that one would not to come to that conclusion. I am quite aware of everything said in your post and its obvious you meant well, as I stated. I was suggesting your comment wasn't helpful in the manner that it was structured.

I would be annoyed and even infuriated if I received that comment especially as a trans person or a member of a marginalized group. Most marginalized groups have NEVER experienced life as gift. Just because you have at some point in time, or that's a motivating belief for you, doesn't make it a motivating belief for others. Maybe life has been YOUR oyster. For others they've opened the shell thinking it was an oyster only to find out it was a worthless clamshell with pebbles inside. No food. No jewels. Not even a lump of coal to heat up and keep warm.

Whats the point of posting something that may fall on death ears? I would think that what unifies us here in SaSu is a mutual desire to support each other in a manner that the person wants. I'd be open to any feedback from any person here if anything I said did more harm than good. I say this in perceiving your post as coming from someone with both age and experience.

People despising platitudes is a common theme on SaSu. It would be well worth it for all here to recognize this, regardless of intentions or personal belief systems. I'd actually argue that one could come on SaSu and be pro-life as long as they are deliberately upholding these themes but that's a discussion for another time. (Again, to be clear, Im not suggesting that you are a pro-lifer.)

 

[TheSadStranger]

I wasn't suggesting you were a pro-lifer or that you were trying to discourage him from making a choice, or that your aim was toxic positivity. I was very deliberate in my phrasing so that one would not to come to that conclusion. I am quite aware of everything said in your post and its obvious you meant well, as I stated. I was suggesting your comment wasn't helpful in the manner that it was structured.

I would be annoyed and even infuriated if I received that comment especially as a trans person or a member of a marginalized group. Most marginalized groups have NEVER experienced life as gift. Just because you have at some point in time, or that's a motivating belief for you, doesn't make it a motivating belief for others. Maybe life has been YOUR oyster. For others they've opened the shell thinking it was an oyster only to find out it was a worthless clamshell with pebbles inside. No food. No jewels. Not even a lump of coal to heat up and keep warm.

Whats the point of posting something that may fall on death ears? I would think that what unifies us here in SaSu is a mutual desire to support each other in a manner that the person wants. I'd be open to any feedback from any person here if anything I said did more harm than good. I say this in perceiving your post as coming from someone with both age and experience.

People despising platitudes is a common theme on SaSu. It would be well worth it for all here to recognize this, regardless of intentions or personal belief systems. I'd actually argue that one could come on SaSu and be pro-life as long as they are deliberately upholding these themes but that's a discussion for another time. (Again, to be clear, Im not suggesting that you are a pro-lifer.)

I understand. My words may fall on deaf ears, but it that stopped me I probably would ever voice my opinions in fear that they wouldn't be considered. I am aware of the SaSu theme. I am no wordsmith nor am I some poet. I have only good intentions, but as the saying goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". I was trying to get the point across that free will makes the world your oyster and that limitations are set by yourself (in most cases not all). I was never try to offend anyone or step on others beliefs. That's what's great about this place we call the internet. People can have different opinions. I apologize if my opinions offended anyone

 

[orca87]

I would think that what unifies us here in SaSu is a mutual desire to support each other in a manner that the person wants.

I believe that is a very fine line here. Supporting each other does sometimes mean saying what a person needs, not necessarily wants to hear. For example, if someone here would discuss a ctb method that has a high risk of failure, I think we all agree that such a person needs advice to reconsider this attempt.

Talking someone out of his suicidal attempt is a bit more of an edge case, especially when it's based on platitudes. That's what suicide prevention hotlines are for, but not this forum.

I don't think this should be a place to neglect someone's experiences or world views. On the other hand, having someone open a positive perspective can brighten the day, and that – always assuming people act with the best of their intentions – is something I guess @TheSadStranger wanted to do here.

I personally would put it this way:
1. If you don't know what's causing your pain, find out
2. If you have found out, try to dream about your life. Don't be realistic. Just dream
3. See what's preventing you from achieving that dream and assess if there is a glimpse of a hope

You can "fail" at any of these three steps. Sometimes, it's mindset and sometimes it's hard facts that renders your life to a pointless existence. If it is the former, you have a chance to take action.

It is worth going that path – not because life is a gift – but because you will find relief. Either by having tried and recovered – or by strengthening your determination to ctb.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

I understand. My words may fall on deaf ears, but it that stopped me I probably would ever voice my opinions in fear that they wouldn't be considered. I am aware of the SaSu theme. I am no wordsmith not am I some poet. I have only good intentions, but as the saying goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". I was trying to get the point across that free will makes the world your oyster and that limitations are set by yourself (in most cases not all). I was never try to offend anyone or step on others beliefs. That's what's great about this place we call the internet. People can have different opinions. I apologize if my opinions offended anyone

Again no need for apologies at all. Really, Im in your corner. Its hard to perceive intent in words. I am certainly no wordsmith myself. There are plenty others here that could probably rephrase what Im saying in a manner more clear and succinct that would better get the point across.

I definitely subscribe to the idea of good intentions. Its the reason I made the post.

Again, I perceived you to be someone with age and experience. A concrete action-oriented suggestion may be better appreciated over a philosophical post.

I believe that is a very fine line here. Supporting each other does sometimes mean saying what a person needs, not necessarily wants to hear.

I think you overhead into want I meant. I'm no wordsmith either as I previously stated.

When I made that statement I was trying to say that offering suggestions in a manner that's palatable is best. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[CompleteControl]

Bleeding hearts of the world unite. Lmfao

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

Bleeding hearts of the world unite. Lmfao

Um...Yeah, not a bleeding heart.

Constant exposure to unsolicited verbal violence, potential physical / gun violence and ongoing negative media messaging is a sh*tty nightmare. I don't even turn on the TV just to intentionally avoid that sh*t. Its even worse when you're the direct target. Its pure mental abuse and dehumanizing. Just walking to the store or sitting in a restaurant minding your business eating a meal can lead to some BS in the US these days. Ongoing trauma literally changes the brain.

If its not shootings and personal attacks its cost of living issues. US has really become a cesspool. I wanted to post a laugh emoji on @Galileo3630 comment about US being a 3rd world country with a Gucci belt. Thats the hardcore truth. But the rest of @Galileo3630 post was to be taken seriously.


@Pcgamer1 - I'm not clear on whether you're directly or indirectly affected but you could certainly benefit from a change of location as others stated. Not easy or a perfect solution but I hope you'd seriously try that before you CTB. There are companies that pay for relocation. EU isn't perfect either but if I had to choose a place to live, US would be a hard no at this moment.