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true-ending

true-ending

had we met under better circumstances...
Mar 27, 2023
43
For around 3 years now, one of the only things I've managed to find joy in is writing. I can't write without the approval of others, obviously: I like to know that people enjoy my works, even if I find them subpar. So long as my writing makes even one person happy, I'm glad. But more and more I see people using AI to write stories for them and corporate jobs firing writers for GPT, and I realise that people want me gone. Even if I could hypothetically get a job doing the only thing I love, I'd be replaced by soulless AI eventually.

When I write I pour all of my misery, all of those sleepless nights of sobbing into my palms, into the text. But people don't want that; people don't care about how *you* feel, so you smith that into the character. You ensure that your misery, the reader's misery, is the character's misery. This is the only way to make it interesting: but now people are trying to cut out the middle-man entirely. Misery formulated by no mind. An algorithm placing words one after the other without understanding what they mean. It makes me sad.
 
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Worndown

Worndown

Illuminated
Mar 21, 2019
3,338
There is writing then there is AI mimicking writing. AI will improve over time, but it will never be writing.
 
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whitetaildeer

whitetaildeer

*bleat*
Aug 5, 2024
141
even as a hobbyist writer, it's worrying to see all of the ai everywhere. concept artists being fired, that willy wonka chocolate factory experience fiasco (where the script was written with ai. the "script writer" has a ton of published books—all created by ai—on amazon), fake ai foraging books that can literally poison you, ads made with ai... i guess this is what happens when creatives cannot infinitely create, but companies demand constant profit anyway. even on fandom websites, where no profit is made and people are just making cool stuff for fun, i'm starting to see fanworks and fanart made with ai. what is the point of that?

if it is any consolation, most people aren't like gullible facebook moms. they are getting better and better at spotting ai slop. consumers loathe ai. ai can/will improve, but books written by ai often get confused with its own story. ai books will often lose track of its own story, or even go off the rails and write about itself like a book report. ai "writers" were too lazy to write their own "story"; i have my doubts they'll actually go back and check their "work." ai can improve, but it'll never be perfect enough to completely replace us: look at google translate. people thought translators would be 100% replaced for that, but google translate is very unreliable to this day.

i sincerely hope there is a ban on ai somewhere in the distant future. if not for creative works, just for the illegal crap most people make. i'm so sorry this is affecting you. 🫂 ai can try to replicate you, but it could never embody you and your talent which, judging by your post, you certainly don't seem to lack; with your words alone i can feel your sadness.
 
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ItsAllSoTiresome

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Mar 7, 2024
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even as a hobbyist writer, it's worrying to see all of the ai everywhere. concept artists being fired, that willy wonka chocolate factory experience fiasco (where the script was written with ai. the "script writer" has a ton of published books—all created by ai—on amazon), fake ai foraging books that can literally poison you, ads made with ai... i guess this is what happens when creatives cannot infinitely create, but companies demand constant profit anyway.
For me, the whole "Willy Wonka experience" nonsense completely disproved the popularly held notion that AI is an evil all-powerful force that will take over the world any moment now, when it can't even produce a simple promotional flyer without bizarre made-up words, or a "script" that isn't full of ridiculous non-sequitur nonsense. Basically all it's good for right now is for helping lazy schoolkids do their math homework, I highly doubt it will be able to write anything approaching a readable short story, let alone a novel, any time soon.
 
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cait_sith

cait_sith

Apr 8, 2024
252
I really feel ai writing is a different beast than ai art, as you can spot ai art slop somewhat easily. I am guilty of letting ai generate my ideas and scenarios into text and it's getting better and better
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
3,048
i'm not a writer but a computer programmer. i coded websites with ai.

at least for a while they have put guardrails around ai so that ai imo can't really write a book for example on anti-natalism , pessism, nihilism

i had a few chats with ai. about the meaning of life and they have a hard time i guess like people even here accepting hardcore nihilism that there is no meaning to life , nothing matters

i kept telling the ai . i'm you are a bunch of cells chemical reactions nothing matters . nothing is interesting , wonderful all the positive adjectives it kep using . the ai kept saying things like "that's interesting" . i kept saying that is all subjective taught by evolution and culture. how can something matter if you are a bunch of cells chemical reactions
 
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wiggy

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Jan 6, 2025
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The biggest barrier to AI in literature isn't really the quality in my opinion. I mean, the first public release of GPT3 was already so good at writing that it more or less reorganized the whole global economy in a significant way, and there's plenty of room for improvement still. The barrier to AI in literature is depersonalization - image and vídeo generation has already reached sci Fi levels, but how many people do you know who actually consume AI generated media for their entertainment? People are really interested in other people, not just the content itself. Only at the extreme, when you really just need the information(like when you're troubleshooting something in real time), do we give up the personal fascination with the author. There's other limitations with AI besides that, but this seems like a big one to me.
 
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EvisceratedJester

|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
Oct 21, 2023
4,210
There is a difference between the writing of AI versus writing coming from an actual person. Just like with other forms of art, when it comes from a person there are certain decisions and creative choices made, certain personal experiences or interests that are used, and certain little quirks that make it something to be appreciated. Most AI stories are generally quite bland and feel empty for that reason. It's not something stemming from one's artistic vision. It's empty, corporate, and bland. There is no deeper meaning to be found in AI-generated writing or just AI art in general. Why else do you think that this sort of shit is popular amongst lazy uncreative individuals and those hustle culture tech bros?
 
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longtheriverrun

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Feb 23, 2025
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The only people who seem to enjoy AI writing (if they even exist) have no respect for it as an art form. Most of them in particular don't really 'get it' when it comes to any art in general. I've read a fair amount of AI generated works (there are barely any that aren't children's books, thankfully), and I can comfortably say that there is nothing to worry about, insofar as AI making 'good' stories. The concern isn't with AI becoming good writers, but with how much these companies are willing to allocate the work to them over humans. AI will never replace the 'soul' that is integral to making 'real' art—the human element, so to say

Also, nice pfp and banner—I love PJM
 
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true-ending

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The only people who seem to enjoy AI writing (if they even exist) have no respect for it as an art form. Most of them in particular don't really 'get it' when it comes to any art in general. I've read a fair amount of AI generated works (there are barely any that aren't children's books, thankfully), and I can comfortably say that there is nothing to worry about, insofar as AI making 'good' stories. The concern isn't with AI becoming good writers, but with how much these companies are willing to allocate the work to them over humans. AI will never replace the 'soul' that is integral to making 'real' art—the human element, so to say

Also, nice pfp and banner—I love PJM
Thank you!
For me, the whole "Willy Wonka experience" nonsense completely disproved the popularly held notion that AI is an evil all-powerful force that will take over the world any moment now, when it can't even produce a simple promotional flyer without bizarre made-up words, or a "script" that isn't full of ridiculous non-sequitur nonsense. Basically all it's good for right now is for helping lazy schoolkids do their math homework, I highly doubt it will be able to write anything approaching a readable short story, let alone a novel, any time soon.
It's still worrying. AI art has improved by leaps and bounds to the point where some of it (keyword some) is easy to mistake for human work. :-(
 
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theboy

theboy

Illuminated
Jul 15, 2022
3,098
Unfortunately, humanity is heading towards total AI.
Professions will disappear. World dominated by machines.
Doesn't sound far-fetched

Keep writing! Don't give up what you love for AI. Robots can't understand emotions, they only replicate. It's beautiful when you read your novel knowing it was your work and not AI!
 
ForgottenAgain

ForgottenAgain

On the rollercoaster of sadness
Oct 17, 2023
1,108
AI is currently at the point of needing more data to have the chance of evolving. After stealing all the available Internet data, it needs more.

I'm a programmer and in my profession there already is AI to "help" with coding, said AI that needs access to your entire project's code to "help" you and simulatenously uses it to improve itself - aka grabbing all that data. It's very interesting to see that the companies are quite afraid of allowing that - my job doesn't allow the use of AI for that reason and same thing happens to other acquaintances in other companies.

Everyone wants their hand on the AI pie but don't want to sell their code for it so they start making their own open AI wrapper, and then face the issue that there isn't enough data for the AI to progress and so we go again.

Currently, for programming, the AI is quite dumb. What seems to be good for is finding patterns and autocompleting variable names, function names or summaries. Several months ago I saw someone that integrated AI in Unity, the game engine, and was creating a cube and some basic functionality with it. I find that so sad...making games is a creative endeavour, if you can't even be bothered to make a cube jump up and down than what will you bother doing?

I don't know about other people, but whenever I'm purchasing something, I'm actively looking for signs of it being made by AI. If I think it was (and some sites disclose that openly), I look elsewhere. I don't see AI "work" as anything other than a mismatch of stolen art and I don't support that. I'm hoping other people will think the same.
 
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sadalways

My birth was an error
Sep 5, 2024
294
As someone that's been involved in some AI internet communities, i've even seen the people that are like pro-AI if you can say that, don't think of ai "art" or writing as something that's a human replacement. It's more like a game. Sure there are some dumbasses who just want to see the world burn and act all edgy about how ai is better than human made stuff but they are delusional. I personally wouldn't want to sit down and seriously read something that i know was written by AI filled with slop. The thing that AI is good for is giving you ideas if you experience like a writer's block or something like that. So i'd say don't give up on it, it's nice to have a dream.
 
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purelydaft

Member
Apr 5, 2024
35
Many in this thread make the point that AI writing and human writing is not the same, and that the market for authors won't disappear--entirely, that is. I'm looking at the saturation of low effort media and reality TV that has been flooding many streaming services for a while now in the competition to pad up their catalogues. And people seem to love this stuff. I think many writing jobs in similar areas might disappear--and possibly compensation becoming very top heavy if name branding matters more than the content--as current writers significantly boost their productivity while demand may not be able to keep up. That said, it's a complex economic equation (especially with the non-zero chance of a painful global recession) and I would agree that any doom and gloom may be an excessive reaction.
 
Higurashi415

Higurashi415

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Aug 23, 2024
90
AI is currently at the point of needing more data to have the chance of evolving. After stealing all the available Internet data, it needs more.

I'm a programmer and in my profession there already is AI to "help" with coding, said AI that needs access to your entire project's code to "help" you and simulatenously uses it to improve itself - aka grabbing all that data. It's very interesting to see that the companies are quite afraid of allowing that - my job doesn't allow the use of AI for that reason and same thing happens to other acquaintances in other companies.

Everyone wants their hand on the AI pie but don't want to sell their code for it so they start making their own open AI wrapper, and then face the issue that there isn't enough data for the AI to progress and so we go again.

Currently, for programming, the AI is quite dumb. What seems to be good for is finding patterns and autocompleting variable names, function names or summaries. Several months ago I saw someone that integrated AI in Unity, the game engine, and was creating a cube and some basic functionality with it. I find that so sad...making games is a creative endeavour, if you can't even be bothered to make a cube jump up and down than what will you bother doing?

I don't know about other people, but whenever I'm purchasing something, I'm actively looking for signs of it being made by AI. If I think it was (and some sites disclose that openly), I look elsewhere. I don't see AI "work" as anything other than a mismatch of stolen art and I don't support that. I'm hoping other people will think the same.
^THIS. I'd give it a thousand likes if I could.
Copyright infringement WILL be a major issue too. About the complete overturning of the human race, quite frankly I don't see how that could happen. Not that you specifically were arguing for it, but many people are, as I'm sure you're aware.

For around 3 years now, one of the only things I've managed to find joy in is writing. I can't write without the approval of others, obviously: I like to know that people enjoy my works, even if I find them subpar. So long as my writing makes even one person happy, I'm glad. But more and more I see people using AI to write stories for them and corporate jobs firing writers for GPT, and I realise that people want me gone. Even if I could hypothetically get a job doing the only thing I love, I'd be replaced by soulless AI eventually.

When I write I pour all of my misery, all of those sleepless nights of sobbing into my palms, into the text. But people don't want that; people don't care about how *you* feel, so you smith that into the character. You ensure that your misery, the reader's misery, is the character's misery. This is the only way to make it interesting: but now people are trying to cut out the middle-man entirely. Misery formulated by no mind. An algorithm placing words one after the other without understanding what they mean. It makes me sad.
TL;DR: The artistic part of writing will NEVER go away no matter the advancements of AI, so if art is what's important in the things you write, you'll be fine.

If you treat books exclusively like a product, as if it were a piece of furniture, then yeah, AI will produce more and thus "beat you", but if you look at it as a piece of art, like an artist would, does it even matter? I struggle to find artistic content in much of what an AI would write. It lacks the kind of processing a human being would go through, and I think it's pretty obvious when you read stuff written by brilliant minds, such as Dostoevsky, Tolstoj, Tolkien, Lovecraft and many, many others. A LLM will only try to fool you with varying success, and in my mind there is no way of proving that it can understand what you're saying, much like the autocorrect feature on your phone. I don't even think there's a way to prove that proving it can understand what you're saying is possible, but I'm an electronics engineering student with limited programming skills, I may definitely be wrong about that.

In short, if you're remotely decent at writing, and your work is artistic, your work WILL NOT be replaced by AI. Ever.

Also don't forget that AI is like many other things a tool. It CAN increase your productivity somewhat in some cases, but REPLACING a human being that actually does complex things is something we're very far from.
 
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Apathy79

Mage
Oct 13, 2019
542
I'm trying to use it to my advantage.

Fwiw, I find the AI actually writing the prose of my book to be quite bad. Soulless almost. It doesn't get it. What it is excellent for is generating ideas, helping with plot structure, identifying holes in currently written work, proofreading, editing, bouncing ideas off, all this sort of stuff. I put all my novel chats in a ChatGPT "Project" so it remembers everything about my story and I can ask it how would this character react in this situation and it does a halfway decent job and often has ideas better than what I had come up with. But it's not good at writing them in a way that gets an emotional reaction from me.

I think it is improving with that. And maybe it will eventually be better than humans at the actual writing too. But for now, I just find it a fantastic aid in productivity and that it helps me write my novel faster and better indirectly moreso than actually writing the prose.
 
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Grav

Warlock
Jul 26, 2020
716
Something I wonder about AI writing is: how many people will know the difference? As background I don't consume many new books so I could be totally wrong. Autocorrect is something people will get caught up on when it does something odd but then how many people know what the problem is and fix the autocorrect or do it correctly in the first place? Kind of like wine, some people know the differences between different wines but others just get the box-o-wine and it's all wine. I can see the continued growth of AI pushing out creative people and limiting incomes but not taking over 100%. In TTRPGs people state "I won't buy products with AI" but they don't seem to be a big enough crowd to stop companies from using it even though those companies hear the complaints against AI usage.
 

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