My 2 cents on Ambien addict

[Kali_Yuga13]

Backstory - A few hours ago someone claiming to be the niece of user @Ambien addict stated that the user had committed suicide on August 17th 2025. The niece saw the body and by her description and the user's post content it sounds like she used SN. The niece implored SaSu users not to ctb due to the experience of loss by relatives.

Some users offered supporting words while others scolded her for overstepping into this space with "pro-life" sentiments. Arguments ensued and the post was deleted apparently.

I knew the user name but didn't interact with her.

She joined this site less than a month ago. Some people do that, they've been suicidal for some time maybe lurked here and finally made an account to get some final questions answered.

According her post history, she was a 55 year old woman, agoraphobic, disabled in some way, suffering from a 25 year dependency on benzos and Ambien so bad she couldn't sleep or even eat without them to calm down. Recently and reluctantly started on Seroquel to sleep and playing with the doses which we now is contra-advised.

3 intentional OD's leading to 3 psych wards, 70k medical debt and facing homelessness. She acquired SN and AE's on her own.

She posted in the partner's thread on the 15th only two days before committing. The tone of her posts was desperate and yet despite her pain she came off as a friendly communicator. Really sad, she was bouncing off the walls in such mental anguish it was truly palpable in her writing more than any other posts I've read here before.

To me it sounds like she was a casualty of modern psychiatric medicine. No doctor should be giving unmitigated long term habit forming medication like that without an off ramp. Very unscrupulous. The pharmaceuticals painted her brain chemistry into a corner. No one on this site caused or coaxed her into suicide. And certainly didn't cause any where near the harm of the pharmaceutical cocktail she was prescribed. Many of are here due to such predatory and abusive medical "treatments" or at least as a contributing factor. What does a person do to "get help" when the "help" caused the problem?

To the niece if you're still browsing this site - You sound like a nice person. You cared for your aunt and didn't want her gone. That's understandable. Take your time and grieve in heathy ways with the appropriate support.

Your aunt sounded like a nice person too. Thanks for notifying us. It's likely we're some of the last people she felt she could confide in. Some of us understand the gravity and even honor of such a position. I hope she's smiling down on you.

RIP @Ambien addict

 

[Unicron]

So sad. She seemed really nice. RIP Ambien addict.

 

[hazelmoon]

I was shocked to see that post and feel so sorry for her niece. When people get to that point, pretty much nothing can save them. Her niece probably tried to help her in ways she knew how. I'm happy she has finally escaped her suffering, though her niece is definitely in my prayers. The bashing was uncalled for, as she was just doing what she thought was best to save other loved ones from feeling how she's feeling right now.

 

[cowboypants]

RIP, they made a post less than ten days back about some medicine dose. I remember replying to them, and they were friendly, they sounded like in a crisis

 

[bankai]

I remember Ambien addict. Seems like she suffered a lot. There are few others here who suffer in a similar way because of doctor prescriptions and addictions. seems like an extremely miserable situation that's not really their fault.

I'm sure she struggled a lot but eventually made the decision that she thought was best for herself. If other people think that someone needs to suffer terribly,be in constant pain and stay alive for their sake. Then there's nothing more selfish than that.

I hope her family can understand that. Let her rest in peace and hopefully make peace with that themselves.

 

[Xiaojiu]

RIP @Ambien addict

I came across her username a few times but didn't interact with her. Her story sounds really sad and heartbreaking. A lot of us are on this site due to doctors, failed medical treatments, etc. She sounds like she fought really hard until the end and she just wanted to end her pain and suffering :( I hope she is finally resting and in peace.

 

[leloyon]

I already said what I needed to in the thread, but it's deleted now. I specifically said "let's not turn this thread into a shit-flinging match"...

I hadn't interacted much with her but I had seen her around a lot. I'd read several of her threads, and they always filled me with a deep sadness. Some people's situations on this forum have hit me particularly hard and hers was definitely one of them. I hope she has managed to find the peace that she couldn't find in life, in death.

And I wish her niece well too, I hope she heals from her grief. I know what it is like to lose someone to suicide, and while I will not stop anyone from doing with their life what they will (as that would be hypocritical of me, considering I'm suicidal too), it is a particularly shocking way for someone to go out and combined with what she said in her post, I cannot help but feel for her.

 

[xBrialesana]

omg I am so so sorry Ambien Addict that you had to suffer like this. omg

 

[idiotmother]

"Painted her brain chemistry into a corner." Beautifully tragic way of putting it. I'm in a similar situation as ambien addict and was sorry to hear of her passing. These drugs are horrific and we are prescribed them so easily. It's so isolating and no one understands, it's so fucking horrible. Rip, ambienaddict ;(. I'll probably be joining her soon. I hate being seen as a coward, like my family implies. people truly have no idea the disastrous effects of these drugs.

 

[xBrialesana]

"Painted her brain chemistry into a corner." Beautifully tragic way of putting it. I'm in a similar situation as ambien addict and was sorry to hear of her passing. These drugs are horrific and we are prescribed them so easily. It's so isolating and no one understands, it's so fucking horrible. Rip, ambienaddict ;(. I'll probably be joining her soon. I hate being seen as a coward, like my family implies. people truly have no idea the disastrous effects of these drugs.

I am so so so sorry idiotmother. I am living this hell to. I am so sad they had to live so much suffering through this. This one really got me. I know this torture and it sounds like you also really understand. Thankfully they are at peace, but they never should have been led to this pain. They can soberly finally get some rest in peace. Horribly tragic

 

[Pale_Rider]

I hope she is in a peaceful position now. I wasn't sure how to respond to her sometimes. She really was in crisis mode.

 

[idiotmother]

I am so so so sorry idiotmother. I am living this hell to. I am so sad they had to live so much suffering through this. This one really got me. I know this torture and it sounds like you also really understand. Thankfully they are at peace, but they never should have been led to this pain. They can soberly finally get some rest in peace. Horribly tragic

Oh no, I'm sorry you're dealing with this too! It's so freaking terrible. I wouldn't even be suicidal if it weren't for these drugs. And everyone tells me it'll get better and the doctors tell me it's just my anxiety! It's not getting better and there's no way for me to taper without setting myself off more. Unbelievable. I'm sure ambien addict heard the same things.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

To both @xBrialesana & @idiotmother - I don't know what exact meds you're on. I never got deep into benzos but on a few occasions after taking one I got a terrible whiplash anxiety attack a day or two after so I can only imagine what its like to be on them regularly. That Canadian 'philosopher' Jordan Peterson went to Russia to be put into an induced coma in order to get off benzos. We should all learn a lesson from Ambien addict's experience that these drugs can be really dangerous in the long term. Getting off them requires a long term plan. Going to a 3 day detox and then a psych ward to "talk" about it clearly doesn't cut it.

There's a site called Surviving Antidepressants that has a good taper section for those and other prescribed psychoactive drugs. I found guides for Ambien and Xanax for example when using the search function. For some people it can take years or two even.

 

[idiotmother]

To both @xBrialesana & @idiotmother - I don't know what exact meds you're on. I never got deep into benzos but on a few occasions after taking one I got a terrible whiplash anxiety attack a day or two after so I can only imagine what its like to be on them regularly. That Canadian 'philosopher' Jordan Peterson went to Russia to be put into an induced coma in order to get off benzos. We should all learn a lesson from Ambien addict's experience that these drugs can be really dangerous in the long term. Getting off them requires a long term plan. Going to a 3 day detox and then a psych ward to "talk" about it clearly doesn't cut it.

There's a site called Surviving Antidepressants that has a good taper section for those and other prescribed psychoactive drugs. I found guides for Ambien and Xanax for example when using the search function. For some people it can take years or two even.

I wish I could be put in an induced coma. Thank you for your thoughtful response. I was a member of surviving antidepressants and then I made myself worse and I feel too far gone for it now. Plus, my doctor doesn't believe in that tapering so they're cutting the meds in the way that they've been taught to cut them (which is way too much). It's all just impossible at this point. Sorry to derail this thread, btw. I wonder if surviving antidepressants could have helped ambien addict? There's also Benzo buddies. Unfortunately, in her case and mine, it seems like your brain can only take so many insults before healing becomes unattainable. Sad. Like being trapped in the middle with fire closing in all around.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

Plus, my doctor doesn't believe in that tapering so they're cutting the meds in the way that they've been taught to cut them (which is way too much).

That's part of the problem, not having a doctor on board. I'm pretty sure these drugs are already prescribed at a higher dose than needed. I tapered off sertraline and I found that "micro dosing" would have been a better way to take that kind of medication to begin with. Instead they like to get people on a starter dose and then ramp it up

 

[synthetic_suicide]

I am also deep in the benzo shithole. My psychiatrist doesn't really help.

This could be helpful too https://benzobuddies.org/

 

[idiotmother]

That's part of the problem, not having a doctor on board. I'm pretty sure these drugs are already prescribed at a higher dose than needed. I tapered off sertraline and I found that "micro dosing" would have been a better way to take that kind of medication to begin with. Instead they like to get people on a starter dose and then ramp it up

Yes you're absolutely right. It's criminal. And the patient is made out out to be a lunatic, which is the fault of the drugs. A huge, gas lighting nightmare. So scary.

I am also deep in the benzo shithole. My psychiatrist doesn't really help.

This could be helpful too https://benzobuddies.org/

Benzo buddies is great, wish it wasn't too late for me ;((. I wish ambien addict had access to them, but maybe she was too hurt for them to be helpful. That definitely happens.

 

[shiba]

I recognized the name and sure enough I spoke with her a few times in some of her threads not long ago. I'm still new so I've never had something like that happen on here, but It's not like I don't know the purpose of this forum. I think I'm going to be following her pretty soon now.

Also for anyone who saw the thread from the niece, could you summarize their post for me? I did not see it.

RIP @Ambien Addict

 

[unluckysadness]

I'm not surprised because she stopped posting threads. I saw her first posts and there was so much pain in her words (i thought it was a young man). But honestly, she had no alternative. She said she couldn't eat and swallow, didn't sleep, was in severe 24/7 pain with a lot of disabilities. I'm sorry for his family, but she deserved peace. RIP. You're in a better place now

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

I recognized the name and sure enough I spoke with her a few times in some of her threads not long ago. I'm still new so I've never had something like that happen on here, but It's not like I don't know the purpose of this forum. I think I'm going to be following her pretty soon now.

Also for anyone who saw the thread from the niece, could you summarize their post for me? I did not see it.

RIP @Ambien Addict

The "goodbyes" always hit hard. It's not something I've gotten used to and sometimes I need a break from this site.

It wasn't a long post, pretty much a paragraph. To paraphrase it was along the lines of:
"I'm the 24 year old niece of the user of this account. On Aug 17th I got a call and came home from work. My aunt committed suicide. They opened the body bag and I kissed her and said good bye. She was purple. She was my everything. I don't know how I' survive without her. I'm devastated. If you are thinking of committing please don't. Someone loves you as much as I loved my aunt."

 

[shiba]

The "goodbyes" always hit hard. It's not something I've gotten used to and sometimes I need a break from this site.

It wasn't a long post, pretty much a paragraph. To paraphrase it was along the lines of:
"I'm the 24 year old niece of the user of this account. On Aug 17th I got a call and came home from work. My aunt committed suicide. They opened the body bag and I kissed her and said good bye. She was purple. She was my everything. I don't know how I' survive without her. I'm devastated. If you are thinking of committing please don't. Someone loves you as much as I loved my aunt."

That's heartbreaking, and it goes to show that suicide will never be a truly painless solution. It is clear that Ambien suffered a lot, and even though her suffering is over now, her death will bring more pain to those who loved her. I wish her family could find peace knowing what she was going through, but grieving takes time.

If you ask me it's kind of a shame the thread was deleted. I totally understand it if the arguments were getting out of hand, but I think that the perspective of one's family is something that should always be listened to.

 

[Light_]

tragic. I wish I could have spoken to them. if there is a hell, everyone involved in the manufacture, marketing and profit from pharmaceuticals is, or will be, burning there.

 

[wine is fine but]

if there is a hell, everyone involved in the manufacture, marketing and profit from pharmaceuticals is, or will be, burning there.

countless people have been helped by medication - for them it has been invaluable

sadly, nothing is one size fits all, and also you have situations where incompetent "professionals" prescribe the wrong medication or wrong doses which then exacerbates the problem

i know from personal experience that without ritalin/dexamphetamine, clonidine and desvenlafaxine, i would certainly not still be around. my doctor is an absolute angel, and even my psychiatrist has been an amazing help. part of my problem was not being able to explain exactly what was wrong, but fortunately my doctor cares and also has the ability to listen to the one important word i say, among the other 100 words of rambling. i would hazard a guess and suggest that most people with add (there is no "h" in me) and depression, with the possibility of (hopefully high functioning) autism would be similar and unable to express how they feel in a way that someone without those issues can understand

 

[Light_]

countless people have been helped by medication - for them it has been invaluable

sadly, nothing is one size fits all, and also you have situations where incompetent "professionals" prescribe the wrong medication or wrong doses which then exacerbates the problem

i know from personal experience that without ritalin/dexamphetamine, clonidine and desvenlafaxine, i would certainly not still be around. my doctor is an absolute angel, and even my psychiatrist has been an amazing help. part of my problem was not being able to explain exactly what was wrong, but fortunately my doctor cares and also has the ability to listen to the one important word i say, among the other 100 words of rambling. i would hazard a guess and suggest that most people with add (there is no "h" in me) and depression, with the possibility of (hopefully high functioning) autism would be similar and unable to express how they feel in a way that someone without those issues can understand

The number of catastrophic adverse events caused by them including death are enough to remove the drugs from market permanently. I'd never justify the multitude of deaths and permanent injuries of anyone harmed by these toxins, that's not how so called medical ethics even purport to work anyway.

The number of inside documents proving executives know these drugs cause harm and deliberately falsify data is equally enough to imprison the people responsible and remove them from market.

anything that "works" through mechanisms of inflammation that drs only guess at, because they have no true idea how the poison works, or anything that causes harm they can't "fix", is an unacceptable risk to the population and is NOT justifiable.

These drugs damage the mitochondria and DNA of anyone taking them and that is just a medical fact. They also cause inflammation in the CNS and rest of the body, even if some people "can't tell". It's unethical, narrowsighted and criminal to damage people this way,

I know too many who thought the drugs helped only to find themselves unable to get off them after years of use, people crippled with adverse effects of the drugs themselves and any withdrawal efforts.

Also, tbh, better than half the people on them that think these drugs are 'helping", can't even think straight or write or speak coherently anymore, and can't even tell the difference, they feel they are fine etc, so most aren't even able to advocate for themselves in a stable capacity let alone anyone else.

from what i can gather, you seem to believe they work for you though. i'm not going to argue, keep taking them. i would be questioning how well they are working for you though if you're on a suicide forum, but whatever, it's not my business.

just a broad FYI, i'm also speaking about classes of drugs you have no experience with which, are even more toxic and dangerous then what you are taking from who you call your angel. I'm looking at the big picture of the industry itself, not just your particular opinion.

 

[idiotmother]

The number of catastrophic adverse events caused by them including death are enough to remove the drugs from market permanently. I'd never justify the multitude of deaths and permanent injuries of anyone harmed by these toxins, that's not how so called medical ethics even purport to work anyway.

The number of inside documents proving executives know these drugs cause harm and deliberately falsify data is equally enough to imprison the people responsible and remove them from market.

anything that "works" through mechanisms of inflammation that drs only guess at, because they have no true idea how the poison works, or anything that causes harm they can't "fix", is an unacceptable risk to the population and is NOT justifiable.

These drugs damage the mitochondria and DNA of anyone taking them and that is just a medical fact. They also cause inflammation in the CNS and rest of the body, even if some people "can't tell". It's unethical, narrowsighted and criminal to damage people this way,

I know too many who thought the drugs helped only to find themselves unable to get off them after years of use, people crippled with adverse effects of the drugs themselves and any withdrawal efforts.

Also, tbh, better than half the people on them that think these drugs are 'helping", can't even think straight or write or speak coherently anymore, and can't even tell the difference, they feel they are fine etc, so most aren't even able to advocate for themselves in a stable capacity let alone anyone else.

from what i can gather, you seem to believe they work for you though. i'm not going to argue, keep taking them. i would be questioning how well they are working for you though if you're on a suicide forum, but whatever, it's not my business.

just a broad FYI, i'm also speaking about classes of drugs you have no experience with which, are even more toxic and dangerous then what you are taking from who you call your angel. I'm looking at the big picture of the industry itself, not just your particular opinion.

Right on. I'm suicidal becsuse of these drugs and the doctors gas light me like nothing else. I'm not stuck on anti pSychotics and a Benzo and I want to die. I hate these drugs so, so much, they have ruined me and , in turn, my family. And it's not like the damage can just be undone. They are horrific. Even people who say they work for them have no idea about the health consequences, especially in regards to metabolism. It's so scary.

 

[HD72]

The number of catastrophic adverse events caused by them including death are enough to remove the drugs from market permanently. I'd never justify the multitude of deaths and permanent injuries of anyone harmed by these toxins, that's not how so called medical ethics even purport to work anyway.

The number of inside documents proving executives know these drugs cause harm and deliberately falsify data is equally enough to imprison the people responsible and remove them from market.

anything that "works" through mechanisms of inflammation that drs only guess at, because they have no true idea how the poison works, or anything that causes harm they can't "fix", is an unacceptable risk to the population and is NOT justifiable.

These drugs damage the mitochondria and DNA of anyone taking them and that is just a medical fact. They also cause inflammation in the CNS and rest of the body, even if some people "can't tell". It's unethical, narrowsighted and criminal to damage people this way,

I know too many who thought the drugs helped only to find themselves unable to get off them after years of use, people crippled with adverse effects of the drugs themselves and any withdrawal efforts.

Also, tbh, better than half the people on them that think these drugs are 'helping", can't even think straight or write or speak coherently anymore, and can't even tell the difference, they feel they are fine etc, so most aren't even able to advocate for themselves in a stable capacity let alone anyone else.

from what i can gather, you seem to believe they work for you though. i'm not going to argue, keep taking them. i would be questioning how well they are working for you though if you're on a suicide forum, but whatever, it's not my business.

just a broad FYI, i'm also speaking about classes of drugs you have no experience with which, are even more toxic and dangerous then what you are taking from who you call your angel. I'm looking at the big picture of the industry itself, not just your particular opinion.

This is very true. Just look up akathisia tardive dyskinesia tardive dystonia benzo belly. And the doctors won't help. Your life is ruined.

Backstory - A few hours ago someone claiming to be the niece of user @Ambien addict stated that the user had committed suicide on August 17th 2025. The niece saw the body and by her description and the user's post content it sounds like she used SN. The niece implored SaSu users not to ctb due to the experience of loss by relatives.

Some users offered supporting words while others scolded her for overstepping into this space with "pro-life" sentiments. Arguments ensued and the post was deleted apparently.

I knew the user name but didn't interact with her.

She joined this site less than a month ago. Some people do that, they've been suicidal for some time maybe lurked here and finally made an account to get some final questions answered.

According her post history, she was a 55 year old woman, agoraphobic, disabled in some way, suffering from a 25 year dependency on benzos and Ambien so bad she couldn't sleep or even eat without them to calm down. Recently and reluctantly started on Seroquel to sleep and playing with the doses which we now is contra-advised.

3 intentional OD's leading to 3 psych wards, 70k medical debt and facing homelessness. She acquired SN and AE's on her own.

She posted in the partner's thread on the 15th only two days before committing. The tone of her posts was desperate and yet despite her pain she came off as a friendly communicator. Really sad, she was bouncing off the walls in such mental anguish it was truly palpable in her writing more than any other posts I've read here before.

To me it sounds like she was a casualty of modern psychiatric medicine. No doctor should be giving unmitigated long term habit forming medication like that without an off ramp. Very unscrupulous. The pharmaceuticals painted her brain chemistry into a corner. No one on this site caused or coaxed her into suicide. And certainly didn't cause any where near the harm of the pharmaceutical cocktail she was prescribed. Many of are here due to such predatory and abusive medical "treatments" or at least as a contributing factor. What does a person do to "get help" when the "help" caused the problem?

To the niece if you're still browsing this site - You sound like a nice person. You cared for your aunt and didn't want her gone. That's understandable. Take your time and grieve in heathy ways with the appropriate support.

Your aunt sounded like a nice person too. Thanks for notifying us. It's likely we're some of the last people she felt she could confide in. Some of us understand the gravity and even honor of such a position. I hope she's smiling down on you.

RIP @Ambien addict

I had no idea she finally CTB'd. We talked often about the damage the meds did. I'm surprised her relative didn't bother me. But u have to worry about side effects as well as what happens when u come
Off. Basically these drugs can ruin you. This is a prime example. We had similar illnesses.

 

[Light_]

Right on. I'm suicidal becsuse of these drugs and the doctors gas light me like nothing else. I'm not stuck on anti pSychotics and a Benzo and I want to die. I hate these drugs so, so much, they have ruined me and , in turn, my family. And it's not like the damage can just be undone. They are horrific. Even people who say they work for them have no idea about the health consequences, especially in regards to metabolism. It's so scary.

it is scary. I am sorry you are suffering from the toxicity of these poisons too. I hope you can find a way to carry yourself forward if you want to live. the human body has an incredible ability to heal. I would not have believed I could get better, but i did. I wish I had gotten a chance to talk to this woman before she made her final choice. there are not enough people who have been through HELL year after year after year with zero changes, only to eventually, miraculously heal and then be the voice in the dark for others, a voice that says, "this is not forever". too many kill themselves before they even have that chance, and understandably because the suffering these toxins leave in their wake is so extreme, so radical and outside the comprehension of life and consciousness itself, that no one can cope, only endure and hopefully long enough by some miracle to see that healing is possible. the consequences of these Rx drugs are ignored, suppressed and those suffering are made to feel it's practically, if not outright, some fault of theirs, when the truth is, these poisons are POISONS. People who don't understand just what those suffering are going through often want us to shut up and go away when they are tired of hearing about it too, when we aren't getting better like they would expect. they don't understand that these things aren't like healing form a normal injury or illness. they don't get the idea that suffering can go on year after year after year...The isolation can be extreme. and this BS talk about some people being genetically "flawed" and that's why they had a "bad reaction" is such infuriating dishonesty I don't even know where to begin. I don't know how to comfort the people who need it, the ones who don't want to die but feel there is no other way out from the damage they sustained, but I m going to try.

 

[dustyfurcollector]

"Painted her brain chemistry into a corner." Beautifully tragic way of putting it. I'm in a similar situation as ambien addict and was sorry to hear of her passing. These drugs are horrific and we are prescribed them so easily. It's so isolating and no one understands, it's so fucking horrible. Rip, ambienaddict ;(. I'll probably be joining her soon. I hate being seen as a coward, like my family implies. people truly have no idea the disastrous effects of these drugs.

Please don't believe anyone who calls you a coward

 

[idiotmother]

it is scary. I am sorry you are suffering from the toxicity of these poisons too. I hope you can find a way to carry yourself forward if you want to live. the human body has an incredible ability to heal. I would not have believed I could get better, but i did. I wish I had gotten a chance to talk to this woman before she made her final choice. there are not enough people who have been through HELL year after year after year with zero changes, only to eventually, miraculously heal and then be the voice in the dark for others, a voice that says, "this is not forever". too many kill themselves before they even have that chance, and understandably because the suffering these toxins leave in their wake is so extreme, so radical and outside the comprehension of life and consciousness itself, that no one can cope, only endure and hopefully long enough by some miracle to see that healing is possible. the consequences of these Rx drugs are ignored, suppressed and those suffering are made to feel it's practically, if not outright, some fault of theirs, when the truth is, these poisons are POISONS. People who don't understand just what those suffering are going through often want us to shut up and go away when they are tired of hearing about it too, when we aren't getting better like they would expect. they don't understand that these things aren't like healing form a normal injury or illness. they don't get the idea that suffering can go on year after year after year...The isolation can be extreme. and this BS talk about some people being genetically "flawed" and that's why they had a "bad reaction" is such infuriating dishonesty I don't even know where to begin. I don't know how to comfort the people who need it, the ones who don't want to die but feel there is no other way out from the damage they sustained, but I m going to try.

Wow your words are so powerful, thank you for sharing them. I can't even get off these meds TO heal though. And I was on surviving antidepressants, I just got worse. I was in Effexor withdrawal already when I reacted badly to a supplement and was hospitalized. I was placed on klonopin rhen risperidone against my will. I tried tapering the risperidone, which set me off and I went to the hospital again, voluntarily and let them put me on seroquel. I hate the seroquel so much, it has really brought me down even more. And there's no way I'll be able to taper these things safely without setting myself off again. I feel so crappy on them too, I just need to pass away. It's so terrible, I have a family who loves me and I made these stupid choices that made healing impossible.

Please don't believe anyone who calls you a coward

Thank you so much

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

just a broad FYI, i'm also speaking about classes of drugs you have no experience with which, are even more toxic and dangerous then what you are taking from who you call your angel. I'm looking at the big picture of the industry itself, not just your particular opinion

Going by what the poster you were responding to is taking - uppers/amphetamines, a SNRI and blood pressure medication presumably to balance them out it's no wonder they refer to their doctor as an "angel". I know of people wrecked by them too though.

The designer stuff like SSRI's and antipsychotics say right on the package inserts "the exact mechanism of how this medication works is unknown". The antipsychotics scare me, seems like chemical lobotomy.

I was in Effexor withdrawal already when I reacted badly to a supplement and was hospitalized.

Effexor is one of the one's I've read about being particularly difficult to get off and requires a long time to stabilize after each taper reduction. I hope you beat this!