More bad publicity for Kenneth Law today

[outrider567]

British Tik-Tok Star, 'Deaf Immy', 25, used Kenneth Law's company to procure SN, which she used successfully to CTB--Story is in DailyMailUK today

 

[TimetoGo!]

British Tik-Tok Star, 'Deaf Immy', 25, used Kenneth Law's company to procure SN, which she used successfully to CTB--Story is in DailyMailUK today

One of the lucky ones

 

[GasMonkey]

I wonder if she was a SaSu member.

 

[TapeMachine]

I'm peeved that the media (and the cops performing the 'welfare' checks) keep referring to Law's SN as a "suicide kit." Anyway.

Excerpt from the Daily Mail article:
"In November she admitted to her community care worker that she had bought the product – classed as a 'reportable substance' in the UK, which can only be handled under an official licence – that she planned to use to end her life.

Sussex Police were contacted and visited her flat. But Immy denied buying it and they took no action.

Her parents only learned about this visit months after her death and are furious that an opportunity to save her life was missed."

What do the parents think the police should have done? Get a search warrant for a legal substance? (Wait, I actually have no idea what laws are in place in the UK regarding "reportable substances"? Feel free to educate me, for I am dumb. )

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm peeved that the media (and the cops performing the 'welfare' checks) keep referring to Law's SN as a "suicide kit." Anyway.

Excerpt from the Daily Mail article:
"In November she admitted to her community care worker that she had bought the product – classed as a 'reportable substance' in the UK, which can only be handled under an official licence – that she planned to use to end her life.

Sussex Police were contacted and visited her flat. But Immy denied buying it and they took no action.

Her parents only learned about this visit months after her death and are furious that an opportunity to save her life was missed."

What do the parents think the police should have done? Get a search warrant for a legal substance? (Wait, I actually have no idea what laws are in place in the UK regarding "reportable substances"? Feel free to educate me, for I am dumb. )

Yeah- I've never heard it needed an 'official licence' in the UK and the police that did my welfare check never mentioned it. Surely- if it required a licence- they would have asked to see it and they would have confiscated it because I don't have one. No one has mentioned this here either. Doubtless our government is pushing for this now though.

In so far as it being a 'reportable substance'- maybe that's in reference to the person telling her care worker she had bought it. That information maybe could have been passed on to police and maybe even promted sectioning. Presumably she had a care worker for some sort of mental health concern- so- I expect they are allowed to take action if a person shows signs they are planning to kill themselves. Buying SN is quite a clear indicator I would say. I suspect her parents would have prefered it if they had taken her off to the psyche ward.

 

[angelhealing]

I feel bad for him. He was just trying to help people. In Canada euthanasia is legal for mentally ill people so maybe he can get away with this.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I feel bad for him. He was just trying to help people. In Canada euthanasia is legal for mentally ill people so maybe he can get away with this.

Unfortunately, the general doesn't see it way, they see him as a monster, giving people the ability to end their lives in a painful manner that robs people of their loved ones and yet what people don't see is just how sad the world is general that as much as people campaign for mental health through ads or online platforms, its not enough to really stop a lot of people who take this step.

On top of this, who knows how many people took SN from Law, we only know of a few examples after all.

 

[lebrodude]

I'd imagine the authorities have a full list of everyone KL sold his products to.

I can see it from the families side and why they would view it the way they do. However they haven't been to the mental places suicidal people go and don't understand.

If it wasn't SN, it would have been another method.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I'd imagine the authorities have a full list of everyone KL sold his products to.

I can see it from the families side and why they would view it the way they do. However they haven't been to the mental places suicidal people go and don't understand.

If it wasn't SN, it would have been another method.

And now they think cutting down on sn will stop people?
What about guns then, they are still widely used compared to SN.

Hanging has been around for centuries and that hasn't stopped people even today from going that way if no other method is available

 

[Forever Sleep]

And now they think cutting down on sn will stop people?
What about guns then, they are still widely used compared to SN.

Hanging has been around for centuries and that hasn't stopped people even today from going that way if no other method is available

True- when people are REALLY desperate- they will use whatever they can get hold of. I think it likely does reduce suicide numbers though- restricting the more peaceful methods. Look how many people there are just on this site alone put off by the more brutal and unreliable methods.

Do you think- if Nembutal became openly available tomorrow- that suicide figures would remain the same? People ARE put off when their only options are things like hanging/ jumping/ drowning. It's cruel but it is a way to reduce suicide numbers and- that's all they care about. Saving taxpayers and the children of voting taxpayers. They don't care if they live out their lives in mysery so long as they're paying in to the system.

It's not that easy to get hold of guns everywhere. I think RainandSadness posted a chart the other day that something like half of USA suicides are down to firearms. I suspect- if guns were more readily available elsewhere, we would see higher suicide rates everywhere. I don't really get the whole gun culture thing because I'm from the UK. It's much harder to get firearms here- and we don't see it as an everyday right to be able to own one but I think quite a few Americans feel passionate about being able to own a gun. I doubt they would be able to reverse those laws without huge backlash.

 

[nessun_nome]

Yeah- I've never heard it needed an 'official licence' in the UK and the police that did my welfare check never mentioned it. Surely- if it required a licence- they would have asked to see it and they would have confiscated it because I don't have one. No one has mentioned this here either. Doubtless our government is pushing for this now though.

In so far as it being a 'reportable substance'- maybe that's in reference to the person telling her care worker she had bought it. That information maybe could have been passed on to police and maybe even promted sectioning. Presumably she had a care worker for some sort of mental health concern- so- I expect they are allowed to take action if a person shows signs they are planning to kill themselves. Buying SN is quite a clear indicator I would say. I suspect her parents would have prefered it if they had taken her off to the psyche ward.

You need a license to buy it in the UK. Thats a bit of a moot point if buying from overseas where UK law doesn't apply. I don't think it's an offence to own it without a license.

 

[Holu]

I'd imagine the authorities have a full list of everyone KL sold his products to.

I can see it from the families side and why they would view it the way they do. However they haven't been to the mental places suicidal people go and don't understand.

If it wasn't SN, it would have been another method.

They do lmao they sent wellfare checks here in california

 

[Forever Sleep]

You need a license to buy it in the UK. Thats a bit of a moot point if buying from overseas where UK law doesn't apply. I don't think it's an offence to own it without a license.

Arr- now- that makes sense. Thank you. Yes- I know UK companies will only sell to companies/ schools etc. That's my next worry though- that they WILL make it illegal and I'll get another police visit. I wonder if that will promt a spate of impromptu attempts.

 

[lachrymost]

I feel bad for him. He was just trying to help people. In Canada euthanasia is legal for mentally ill people so maybe he can get away with this.

MAiD for mental illness got postponed until next year, and the whole point of it is that you have to beg doctors for mercy and present your résumé of suffering and failed treatments. The government cannot stand for it being up to the individual themselves, sadly.

 

[lebrodude]

Arr- now- that makes sense. Thank you. Yes- I know UK companies will only sell to companies/ schools etc. That's my next worry though- that they WILL make it illegal and I'll get another police visit. I wonder if that will promt a spate of impromptu attempts.

SN will never be illegal it has a widely used legitimate use in the food industry.

They can (and they have) made it near impossible for individuals to acquire domestically within the UK.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

True- when people are REALLY desperate- they will use whatever they can get hold of. I think it likely does reduce suicide numbers though- restricting the more peaceful methods. Look how many people there are just on this site alone put off by the more brutal and unreliable methods.

Do you think- if Nembutal became openly available tomorrow- that suicide figures would remain the same? People ARE put off when their only options are things like hanging/ jumping/ drowning. It's cruel but it is a way to reduce suicide numbers and- that's all they care about. Saving taxpayers and the children of voting taxpayers. They don't care if they live out their lives in mysery so long as they're paying in to the system.

It's not that easy to get hold of guns everywhere. I think RainandSadness posted a chart the other day that something like half of USA suicides are down to firearms. I suspect- if guns were more readily available elsewhere, we would see higher suicide rates everywhere. I don't really get the whole gun culture thing because I'm from the UK. It's much harder to get firearms here- and we don't see it as an everyday right to be able to own one but I think quite a few Americans feel passionate about being able to own a gun. I doubt they would be able to reverse those laws without huge backlash.

Oh absolutely, so many people are definitely not going to choose the more brutal and more than likely to fail methods like jumping for instance. SN may not be anything near N but it's still a good method for what it's worth compared to others and it wasn't even my first choice because I wanted to go for hanging before finding a source for SN.

Unfortunately, that's how our society is, cut off access to more peaceful methods, leaving people with two choices, go for the more brutal methods or be put off by every other method available and stay like that for the rest of their lives but as long as there are still taxpayers, that's all that matters.

About the guns thing, my own back of the woods is absolutely rampant in crime and guns are widely available if you know the right person since murder is ridiculously high here yet gun laws are strict. Americans love their guns and trying to amend the freedom to own one will indefinitely evoke a massive backlash, enough for a civil war to ensue.

 

[FuneralCry]

I envy those who are gone so much, I certainly think that those who managed to access SN despite the fact that this society is so anti-suicide were fortunate, rest in peace, at least the person who died is free from all future suffering, it sounds so peaceful to me being able to not exist for all eternity.