Moral dilemna

[Jessica5]

You're with your best friend, who at least to your knowledge isn't suicidal. He gets drunk and tries to do a balcony jump from 50 feet into the pool. Somewhat needless to say, he misses the pool.

You feel his heartbeat on the poolside and he's still alive.

Do you wait until you can tell he's dead to call 9-1-1? Or do you call 9-1-1 right away, possibly leaving him as a quadriplegic if he survives?

 

[LifeOver]

I would call immediately, since it appears he is very very unlikely to die anyways: 50 feet drop is not lethal. Waiting would only put him in a worse position.

 

[Vegrau]

You're with your best friend, who at least to your knowledge isn't suicidal. He gets drunk and tries to do a balcony jump from 50 feet into the pool. Somewhat needless to say, he misses the pool.

You feel his heartbeat on the poolside and he's still alive.

Do you wait until you can tell he's dead to call 9-1-1? Or do you call 9-1-1 right away, possibly leaving him as a quadriplegic if he survives?

If I know he have no suicidal tendency and he never tell me that I should let him die. Then I will call ambulance. If he told me then I would have done as he ordered. Hey I dont let someone die just because I am suicidal. I will only let them die when its what they want.

 

[Jessica5]

I would call immediately, since it appears he is very very unlikely to die anyways: 50 feet drop is not lethal. Waiting would only put him in a worse position.

Actually 3 stories (30-45 feet, depending on the height of the floor) is 50% fatal. My cousin died in a 40 foot fall. (He was trying to skateboard on a roof.) His friends called the ambulance right away, and medics kept him alive for a few hours before he died.

 

[Black_Knight]

If he's a random person, I'm relatively sure that he'll die while an ambulance or whatever is in transit, he's unconscious and I know for sure that there's no way that anyone could know that I was there (unlikely with cell phones and all that), I'd stay with him until he dies then bail, or perhaps phone in anonymously if that's possible. Someone, somewhere would spin it in a way to make me appear guilty and I'm not risking it, whether its legal troubles, drama from a traumatized family, or whatever else. H8 if you must.

If I think he has a chance of surviving (erring on the survival side, since I'm not medically trained) or he's conscious, I'd call immediately. If he's someone I care about, I'd call immediately, regardless of whether or not I think he has a chance. If I can be connected to the scene in any way, I'd call immediately.

 

[8yy8uiyhbij]

If he hadn't shown signs of depression or wanting to ctb then I'd call an ambulance straight away, as for if he had I can't say, I'd probably instantly be panicked and selfish if they're my friend and try keep them alive

 

[LifeOver]

Actually 3 stories (30-45 feet, depending on the height of the floor) is 50% fatal. My cousin died in a 40 foot fall. (He was trying to skateboard on a roof.) His friends called the ambulance right away, and medics kept him alive for a few hours before he died.

Ouch. I'm sorry this happened to you. For suicidal purposes, however, jumping from a height of at least 300 ft is advised. Yet some people survive anyway...

 

[Jessica5]

Ouch. I'm sorry this happened to you. For suicidal purposes, however, jumping from a height of at least 300 ft is advised. Yet some people survive anyway...

Falls onto land surfaces from 150 feet are 95-98% fatal according to lostallhope.

But if you want to be really scared, here's an article about a (non-suicidal) rock climber who survived a 300 foot fall onto an extremely hard, rock solid surface. She had a huge laundry list of injuries and got paralyzed from the waist down, but survived. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3212924/

I have to wonder if her boyfriend ended up regretting saving her.

 

[LifeOver]

Falls onto land surfaces from 150 feet are 95-98% fatal according to lostallhope.

But if you want to be really scared, here's an article about a (non-suicidal) rock climber who survived a 300 foot fall onto an extremely hard, rock solid surface. She had a huge laundry list of injuries and got paralyzed from the waist down, but survived. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3212924/

I have to wonder if her boyfriend ended up regretting saving her.

Yeah this is the reason jumping is directly off my list of potential suicide methods. The drug methods are much better since they should be failproof as long as you took proper amount + antiemetics + make sure you aren't found.

 

[Meretlein]

Call 911 right away. If they were quadriplegic or something and wanted to die, I would help them get euthanasia.

 

[Jessica5]

Call 911 right away. If they were quadriplegic or something and wanted to die, I would help them get euthanasia.

Actually you can't get assisted suicide as a quadriplegic anywhere in the US. Even the states that allow assisted suicide restrict it to terminally ill people with no more than 6 months life expectancy. Disability "rights" advocates have made sure of that.

If you become a quad, you're basically SOL when it comes to ending your life. You might get involuntarily committed if you simply talk about killing yourself. If you try to starve yourself to death, the medics will probably force feed you.

Yeah this is the reason jumping is directly off my list of potential suicide methods. The drug methods are much better since they should be failproof as long as you took proper amount + antiemetics + make sure you aren't found.

Jumping has a much higher rate of success than drugs. The only thing that might have a lower rate of success than drugs is the stupid things people sometimes mention on here like jumping off a cruise ship. (As if nobody on the ship will see you in the water, and they won't get you back on board within 60 seconds.)

 

[Meretlein]

Actually you can't get assisted suicide as a quadriplegic anywhere in the US. Even the states that allow assisted suicide restrict it to terminally ill people with no more than 6 months life expectancy. Disability "rights" advocates have made sure of that.

If you become a quad, you're basically SOL when it comes to ending your life. You might get involuntarily committed if you simply talk about killing yourself. If you try to starve yourself to death, the medics will probably force feed you.


Jumping has a much higher rate of success than drugs. The only thing that might have a lower rate of success than drugs is the stupid things people sometimes mention on here like jumping off a cruise ship. (As if nobody on the ship will see you in the water, and they won't get you back on board within 60 seconds.)

Americans can still apply in Switzerland.

 

[oopswronglife]

It depends entirely on the injuries and his condition and any wishes they may have expressed. If he is clearly so messed up he won't survive then it can be a mercy to drag your feet instead of putting him through the charade of EMS and hospital for a couple hours and then machines possibly after that. But if its severe but survivable you really need to get help ethically. Even if he had been suicidal unless you plan on finishing the job you can't just leave him.

I had a very old and broken down relative I was caring for and I asked them if they stopped breathing etc did they want me to do everything I could and call for help...or let them go and call the funeral home. They wanted the whole shebang lights and sirens and every modern medical option and looked at me like I was gonzo for asking, and while at their advanced age and condition I couldn't understand it since they were likely to go any time and likely would not come out of any intervention in a pleasant state, I respect people's right to choose. Thankfully it never came up.

 

[calendulo]

Balconing is a very reliable method, many guys getting die every summer using this way.
I do not see any moral dilemma, this is a pro-choice forum.
To be an idiot is not an exception to do an assisted suicide, that is a serious thing.

 

[Jessica5]

Americans can still apply in Switzerland.

You have to get a passport though. I'm not sure America will let a quad leave the country for Switzerland. Our country is full of anti-choice people. The funny thing is that about 90% of those anti-choice people would prefer death over quadriplegia if you asked them, and about 9% of the remaining 10% would be lying.