Money can't buy you happiness

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

I don't know why people feel it necessary to gaslight and talk down to those who admit that money would significantly improve their quality of life.

The people that say money can't buy you happiness seem to have a ridiculous expectation of what money can actually do for you.

No it won't prevent you from disease, cancer, old age, or relationship break downs, but guess what? Poor people go through the exact same issues and more without having any extra help to get themselves through it.

To say that money is irrelevant on the basis that it doesn't prevent these things happening to you in life is nonsensical.

There's nothing wrong with being wealthy and having problems but you shouldn't view people exclaiming that money would improve their situation as a personal slight.

People saying that money would save them doesn't negate or lessen your personal afflictions.

If I won the lottery tomorrow I wouldn't expect rainbows to start shooting out of my ass and the world to come over with a rose coloured haze however it would significantly help my current situation. It would prevent me from accumulating further trauma.

Money won't stop you from getting cancer, but it can give access to the best of treatments, when you need it. Many, many people die because their cancer isn't discovered early enough, due to a lack of access to medical care because of money.

It you're traumatised it can give you access to the best therapeutic care and medication including the more unorthodox options.

If your environment is making you unhappy you have the flexibility to up and leave, whether it's towns, cities or countries.

You don't have to kill yourself with menial jobs and can actually take the time to engage in hobbies and enjoy your life.

And if you're reading this and you feel as though what I'm saying doesn't apply, you're not the kind of wealthy person I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people that have the finances to do these things and more.

 

[quiet.rabbit]

Yeah people also say the same thing when it comes to beauty, or any advantage you are born with really. Its an advantage, it's not going to rid you of all struggle and no one is saying it is.

 

[Makko]

Depends on how you define "happiness". It's not a term I work with because I don't really understand what it means.

Money can buy positive experiences. If you have money, you can have more positive experiences in your life than if you don't have money, all else equal.

 

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

Depends on how you define "happiness". It's not a term I work with because I don't really understand what it means.

Money can buy positive experiences. If you have money, you can have more positive experiences in your life than if you don't have money, all else equal.

Did you just not read my post at all?

 

[Makko]

Did you just not read my post at all?

I did. Why do you ask?

 

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

I did. Why do you ask?

Because I covered your answer in my post re money can allow you to get therapy, move, focus on things that actually make you happy ect.

 

[DisillusionedDragon]

Yeah, I'm so sick of that sentence. If I had more money I could adjust my life and be significantly happier and not want to kill myself at this point in time.

 

[BlankUser]

Oh yes, I was told that money won't give me any happiness, but will give me more problems instead. This is ridiculous. Guess who told me that? A rich old guy who comes from a wealthy family. He inherited a lot of property and business from his father. He never had to struggle with money in his entire life so he doesn't understand what it's like not being able to afford basic things like a proper healthcare, food, clothes, a place to sleep. I had to sleep in a car for a while because I had no money to rent a room. And it wasn't even my own car lol

 

[goat]

Money can't buy happiness but can buy shelter, food, health care, vacations when you need to take a break, security that you'll never be homeless, it allows you to pursue you hobbies and interests and afford studies that you want to have a career and something to look for in the future.

Of course people that have money can also have depression and mental issues, problem to relate to other people, feel lonely and have no close family and those things are completely valid! Money will not prevent chemical imbalances. A rich person is not lesser of a person and their feelings and suffering are valid.

In the other hand people living in misery or very hard conditions money is life saving, no one is happy hungry, dirty, homeless and marginalized. It may not buy happiness itself but it buys dignity and certain freedom and prevents you to live in the stress of survival mode.

Money is not the key for happiness but it's an a important tool

 

[noname223]

Statistics shows that poverty/unemployment increases the risk of suicide dramatically. I am probably damned for poverty. It plays a big role in my wish to ctb.

 

[Mendex]

Depends on how you define "happiness". It's not a term I work with because I don't really understand what it means.

Money can buy positive experiences. If you have money, you can have more positive experiences in your life than if you don't have money, all else equal.

In the end, it is easier to cry in a ferrari rather than in a tricycle.

 

[death137]

Yeah people also say the same thing when it comes to beauty, or any advantage you are born with really. Its an advantage, it's not going to rid you of all struggle and no one is saying it is.

There are ppl here who say the advantages of beauty are actually disadvantages lol.

 

[Amumu]

That's why I'm in favour of universal basic income or more especially negative income tax.
It would solve a lot of problems, reduce bureaucracy and alleviate poverty more than the current welfare.

 

[Mendex]

That's why I'm in favour of universal basic income or more especially negative income tax.
It would solve a lot of problems, reduce bureaucracy and alleviate poverty more than the current welfare.

Did you know a country who have UBI policies for immigrants (Not refugees)?

 

[Amumu]

Did you know a country who have UBI policies for immigrants (Not refugees)?

Honestly I don't know any country which has UBI or negative income tax countrywide apart from Saudi Arabia.
But you need to have the nationality to benefit from it.
If you're a legal immigrant, you can be entitled to the nationality in most countries.
Certainly not Saudi Arabia, though.

 

[luten]

 

[Squalo]

with money you cannot buy happiness, but it is also true that without money you don't eat and if you don't eat you die.
for our society money is indispensable, not having it creates problems.

 

[JustLosingMyself]

Money doesn't buy happiness, that much is true.
Money buys you time: you can buy other people's time so you don't need to do what annoys you.
Money relieves you from existential stress (worries about food - bills - housing - utilities - expensive surprises).
Money buys you better / more access to healthcare and legal professionals.
Money buys you a cheaper life: quality items pay for themselves over time and bulk buying reduces the unit cost aka "being poor is more expensive".
Money causes stress: how do you protect your assets from downturns and gold diggers.
Money makes you doubt your self worth "Is he/she talking to me because of my money or because he/she likes/loves me". You'll never really know.

Money makes material life easier, but will not save from being miserable, crippled or suffering from mental health problems

 

[NormaJeane]

Of course some people will become happier with money. There is poverty in many countries and there are poor people in rich countries. The homeless will be happier if they get money for an apartment. A person without teeth who does not afford the dentist will be happier with money to pay for it. An owerweight person without money will be happier if he or she can pay for an operation. Someone who looks old will be happier with money to pay for a facelift. A seriously ill person will be happier with money to pay for euthanasia. How old are you when you do not understand this?

 

[boc]

I agree with the general sentiment of this thread. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure helps one's circumstances. Personally, I am fairly well off, and have a solid income and good job. But I have mental health issues and have always struggled to look at myself and see anything but a failure. I have plans to CTB in the next year.

While money does help, it won't make a huge difference if you have underlying issues. There are studies that show that more well off nations have higher rates of suicide. When you run out of things to blame your depression on (money, job, housing), you realise there is only one ultimate solution.

 

[VicMackey]

If money can't buy you happiness, your'e not shopping at the right stores......

 

[Journeytoletgo]

There are ppl here who say the advantages of beauty are actually disadvantages lol.

Lol

 

[UterEntonaur]

I don't know why people feel it necessary to gaslight and talk down to those who admit that money would significantly improve their quality of life.

I think it's because they (themselves) are unhappy too, even though they have money, and don't believe that anyone else could be happy with money.

But from their privileged position, they forget that whilst we're all unhappy, at least they're comfortable and unhappy (unlike the rest of us)

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, I agree, having money doesn't exactly buy happiness but it buys stability. You have more of an advantage in this life if you have money. It can even buy a peaceful death in many countries. Money can be beneficial but it cannot take away physical and mental illnesses. It can help to manage them, but it doesn't solve everything especially as conditions like tinnitus are incurable. Money is an important factor though and a lack of it is the cause of many peoples problems.

 

[LastFlowers]

There are ppl here who say the advantages of beauty are actually disadvantages lol.

Yup.
Instead of accepting they are privileged with problems, and saying as much, they instead insist that being privileged is their problem..which is patently ridiculous.

I think it's because they (themselves) are unhappy too, even though they have money, and don't believe that anyone else could be happy with money.

But from their privileged position, they forget that whilst we're all unhappy, at least they're comfortable and unhappy (unlike the rest of us)

They have no idea what it's like to be 'without' and that's part of the problem, they are able to live in ignorance of what life is like on the other side, because of the very benefits they moan about.
(Dwelling in the rose colored bubble, they don't realize that others suffer in a gray hellscape.)

It makes zero sense to me, it would be like me bitching to a homeless person about my house, my shelter, my warm bed, hot water, etc...I could never find the words to tell them that those things would not make their predicament more comfortable, when I KNOW they would.
I would have to be bat-shit insane to actually believe that those things don't make a difference.
Might they have other inherent things that I don't? Sure, but specifying my own privilege against their lack of such, in a vacuum, is an easy thing to do, so I don't understand why others have so much difficulty admitting to the same.

There is a sort of pyramid of needs, and only when certain ones are met, can you move on to resolve the others.
People at the top can still have problems but they need to realize that it's not because they're at the top, and they would not even have the luxury of complaining or addressing certain issues if they were at the bottom.

I agree with the general sentiment of this thread. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure helps one's circumstances. Personally, I am fairly well off, and have a solid income and good job. But I have mental health issues and have always struggled to look at myself and see anything but a failure. I have plans to CTB in the next year.

While money does help, it won't make a huge difference if you have underlying issues. There are studies that show that more well off nations have higher rates of suicide. When you run out of things to blame your depression on (money, job, housing), you realise there is only one ultimate solution.

It might not make a difference as to whether or not one chooses to stay alive, but it does make a huge difference-in general-regardless.
I just think it's difficult for those with wealth and other significant advantages to realize just how much of a difference it makes, because they are so used to it, they aren't able to look at things from the outside perspective.
Even if it doesn't directly solve the problem killing you, it can prevent any surrounding issues from arising.
(Which I think we agree on.)

Some people also have good reason to blame their depression on the things you list, not everyone here is suffering from a supposed "chemical imbalance", but rather shitty circumstances.
(But I get what you're saying for your own case specifically.)

Well off nations having higher rates of suicide is misleading, there are numerous factors as to why it would appear that way, including a country's inability or unwillingness to report suicides properly in the first place.
Less infrastructure, less documentation.
There is more to it than that, but it would require its own thread entirely.
Either way, those residing in impoverished nations are not actually better off, not in the slightest, no matter how hard you squint your eyes and grasp for straws.

The grass is greener on one side, and one side only, and that's all there is to it.
I think if we really felt that it wasn't, we would all be giving up a lot of what we have, in favor of treading along in an undeveloped country for the rest of our days. Which I have only seen done in part, by pretentious tourists and those who go on missions to "help" the disenfranchised-aka taking selfies with starving children so that they can brag about their "charitable nature" on social media.

 

[Hurt]

Money can't buy happiness but it's necessary.

 

[Makko]

Because I covered your answer in my post re money can allow you to get therapy, move, focus on things that actually make you happy ect.

You only want people to post in your thread if they disagree?

 

[Callie Arcale]

It's all a matter of perspective. If you lack money, you suffer because you don't have it, even if you are in perfect health. If you lack health, you suffer all the same, even if you are very rich.

All the money in the world cannot buy me the happiness that I'd get from being able to simply go for a walk, or go through one day without feeling crippling anxiety. Alas, I am bed bound, my body has no energy to stand up and I am constantly anxious.

I could lay on a bed of money right now... and it would not make a difference.

 

[LastFlowers]

It's all a matter of perspective. If you lack money, you suffer because you don't have it, even if you are in perfect health. If you lack health, you suffer all the same, even if you are very rich.

All the money in the world cannot buy me the happiness that I'd get from being able to simply go for a walk, or go through one day without feeling crippling anxiety. Alas, I am bed bound, my body has no energy to stand up and I am constantly anxious.

I could lay on a bed of money right now... and it would not make a difference.

Sure, if you lack health you will suffer, but if you lack health AND money, you do not suffer the same as someone who lacks only one of those things, you're going to be worse off.
Money can be a cushion in various ways, it can help to treat certain conditions, or at least offset them.
At this point, money wouldn't exactly solve my issues either, but it could very well alleviate or eliminate other 'straws that break the camel's back', and at a younger age, any excess ($$) could have also benefited me if it was put to good use.
It's a wide window to opportunities in the very least, even if they don't pan out.
Even as an avenue to acquiring the best method to ctb, money is nothing to scoff at.
I could say lying on a bed of money wouldn't make a difference to me either, but that's in the vein of what's killing me, I could still very well use the money to help take care of preparations for death, and to give me peace of mind in other areas of my miserable existence.
Money can always make a difference, it might not make enough of a difference where you need it to, but it will never be completely irrelevant in anyone's life.

 

[Callie Arcale]

Sure, if you lack health you will suffer, but if you lack health AND money, you do not suffer the same as someone who lacks only one of those things, you're going to be worse off.
Money can be a cushion in various ways, it can help to treat certain conditions, or at least offset them.
At this point, money wouldn't exactly solve my issues either, but it could very well alleviate or eliminate other 'straws that break the camel's back', and at a younger age, any excess ($$) could have also benefited me if it was put to good use.
It's a wide window to opportunities in the very least, even if they don't pan out.
Even as an avenue to acquiring the best method to ctb, money is nothing to scoff at.
I could say lying on a bed of money wouldn't make a difference to me either, but that's in the vein of what's killing me, I could still very well use the money to help take care of preparations for death, and to give me peace of mind in other areas of my miserable existence.
Money can always make a difference, it might not make enough of a difference where you need it to, but it will never be completely irrelevant in anyone's life.

I agree with what you write. For instance the weather here is getting hotter and hotter which exacerbates my health issues. So earlier today I decided to order an AC.

And as I was reading through this thread I thought to myself: Oh I feel so sorry for other people who are in my situation and who might not afford to order an AC just like that. Or to have food delivered, or take a taxi whenever they need to. My life has very low quality, but without money it would be a hundred times worse.

Still... right now, if someone could offer me the holy grail of good health in exchange for poverty, I would happily live as a buddhist nun with only a mat, three robes and a bowl, for the rest of my life. That's how desperate and tired I am...

Anyway, thank you for your reply @LastFlowers
And since we're talking, let me tell you I really like your avatar. I suffer from brain fog which makes it hard for me to remember avatars and user names, but your avatar is so sad yet pleasing that I always remember it.