Mixing SN, opioids, and benzos as substitute for straight SN protocol?

[curiousgeorgette]

I ordered SN and have meto, but after reading some accounts of SN CTBs, SN close calls, and even watching a video of an SN CTB, I feel like I won't be brave enough to do it even though I very desperately want to CTB. However, it seems like people have less violent symptoms from SN poisoning whenever they do smaller doses (the symptom I'm the most scared of is feeling like I'm suffocating).

I was wondering, does anyone have insight into if a smaller dose of SN would induce death when combined with a big overdose of benzos and opioids? I already have some Klonopin from a prescription and I figured out how to navigate the DW, so I could order some pressed blue percs from there. Then I would follow the PPEH SN protocol as far as fasting and taking meto about 40 min before the combo of SN, benzos, and opioids.

If you think this would work, how much SN do you think would need to be combined with it? I was thinking maybe 7 gm? I'm about 130 pounds if this helps.

PS I have someone to be with me during my CTB via FaceTime, so they will be able to report back to SaSu on the results.

If you have insight into this that you can share with me, thank you so much. It's so alarming to think that maybe I won't be able to follow through with my SN plans now that I have learned how violent it can be. I'm hoping there's an alternative that can produce less severe symptoms before I fall unconscious.

 

[bugbugbug]

I'm also curious

 

[fightclub17]

I believe you go lightheaded and lose consciousness prior to the suffocating and gasping for air. Benzos just help with the anxiety. And propranolol helps you pass out quicker.

No where in the protocols do they recommend opiods. Just paracetamol for headache.

 

[geepeedee]

A higher does is supposed to make you pass out faster. Timing opiates and benzos on top of that would be tricky.

 

[curiousgeorgette]

I believe you go lightheaded and lose consciousness prior to the suffocating and gasping for air. Benzos just help with the anxiety. And propranolol helps you pass out quicker.

No where in the protocols do they recommend opiods. Just paracetamol for headache.

Thank you for responding. I know that in the protocols they don't recommend opioids, but after reading about some scary-sounding CTBs with SN (and the one I watched), I was wondering if the protocol could be modified to do benzos, opioids, and a smaller dose of SN at the same time. The reason being that people who survived SN at smaller dosages said that it wasn't painful or was tolerably/slightly painful. I'm worried that I won't lose consciousness prior to gasping for air, so I was thinking that maybe opioids--combined with benzos--would induce faster loss of consciousness, but still potentiate the effects of the SN.

I'm also curious

Hopefully someone who knows about this kind of stuff will be able to give us some useful info!

A higher does is supposed to make you pass out faster. Timing opiates and benzos on top of that would be tricky.

Thank you for responding. I was thinking of taking the opiates and benzos at the same time as the SN. Since they're all respiratory depressants, do you think that would cause as much of a suffocation feeling as just taking 25 gm SN on its own?

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I hear you, but I agree with the others. If you want it to be lethal, I would not take any less than the recommended amount for your weight. If you want to lose consciousness as quickly as possible, same thing.
If missing the bus is a risk you're willing to take, go against protocol. If there were a better way, I sense that Dr. Philip Nitschke would have found it by now, and the protocol would've been updated to reflect that.
If you are that worried about feelings of suffocation before passing out, there might be a better method for you that you haven't yet considered.

 

[curiousgeorgette]

I hear you, but I agree with the others. If you want it to be lethal, I would not take any less than the recommended amount for your weight. If you want to lose consciousness as quickly as possible, same thing.
If missing the bus is a risk you're willing to take, go against protocol. If there were a better way, I sense that Dr. Philip Nitschke would have found it by now, and the protocol would've been updated to reflect that.
If you are that worried about feelings of suffocation before passing out, there might be a better method for you that you haven't yet considered.

Thanks for weighing in. I've heard the name Dr. Nitschke around here, but I have to research him more. Dammit. My preferred method would be gunshot, but I was involuntarily institutionalized for a few days for a drug-induced manic episode in August, and now I can't buy a gun for 5 years. Otherwise it would be easy since I'm in the U.S. And the exit bag method seems too technical for me to figure out.

 

[Infinitespace_]

Why not just take high doses of opioids like two to three grams of methadone, forget the sn completely?

 

[curiousgeorgette]

Why not just take high doses of opioids like two to three grams of methadone, forget the sn completely?

I'm not knowledgeable about this stuff myself, but i read in a thread on here that methadone/heroin/fent don't have a high degree of reliability and therefore aren't recommended. part of the reason why was because you can have drugs you buy on the DW tested and they can detect the presence of heroin or fent or whatever, but not determine the percentage.

I'm not knowledgeable about this stuff myself, but i read in a thread on here that methadone/heroin/fent don't have a high degree of reliability and therefore aren't recommended. part of the reason why was because you can have drugs you buy on the DW tested and they can detect the presence of heroin or fent or whatever, but not determine the percentage.

i have been institutionalized once before (for manic episode) and definitely do NOT want that to ever happen to me again, which would be one of my concerns if i survived methadone overdose or similar. also i read that you can just end up disabled, which would obviously decrease my quality of life even more. thanks for chiming in, def would be curious to hear more of your thoughts if you think my impression is incorrect.