Man chooses to die at Pegasos

[mortuarymary]

Daily fail have put out a piece on a man that chose to die at Pegasos. Family claim he wasn't ill.
what gets me is not all illnesses are on the outside. He was probably suffering terribly with MH issues and pretending he was ok to the outside world.
it won't let me copy the article across. Sorry.

 

[whywere]

I agree with you, not everything is "on the outside" Case in point, I look great, BUT my entire CNS (central nervous system) is completely shot. Chronic 24/7 pain.

I so agree with VAD. Volunteer assisted death.


Walter

 

[Ninja_Master]

It's actually sad that people can't see the pain inside of us, if they could, they would understand our suicide ideation far more easily.

 

[mortuarymary]

I agree with you, not everything is "on the outside" Case in point, I look great, BUT my entire CNS (central nervous system) is completely shot. Chronic 24/7 pain.

I so agree with VAD. Volunteer assisted death.


Walter

Looking at me you wouldn't think but 30 years of Bipolar then cancer (in remission) you'd think why her?
Maz

It's actually sad that people can't see the pain inside of us, if they could, they would understand our suicide ideation far more easily.

Totally agree. I have my mental health team say you are looking well. I always say can see into my soul though?

 

[FuneralCry]

Rest in peace, at least those who are gone cannot suffer anymore. I see those who managed to access legalised assisted suicide as very fortunate as it's not even available at all where I live.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Daily fail have put out a piece on a man that chose to die at Pegasos. Family claim he wasn't ill.
what gets me is not all illnesses are on the outside. He was probably suffering terribly with MH issues and pretending he was ok to the outside world.
it won't let me copy the article across. Sorry.

Here's the article, if anyone wants to read it:

Teacher secretly pays Swiss clinic £10k to kill himself by injection

47-year-old schoolteacher, Alastair Hamilton with no diagnosed illness paid more than £10,000 to die at a Swiss suicide clinic - which then kept his death a secret from his family, Mail on Sunday reveals.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This case is strange. I thought Pegasos also required someone to be physically ill. How did he convince them?

 

[J&L383]

The article is biased and sensationalized (no surprise there I suppose), with some errors: the suicide was not by "lethal injection" (which would be euthanasia), but like all the Swiss organizations requires the person to cause the suicide, Pegasos installs an intravenous cannula (which is the best way to do this, rather than having to drink it) but you have to start the drip yourself. At any rate, Pegasos is abiding by the Swiss laws and guidelines even if they're pushing the envelope a bit. But to call them a "cowboy operation" is just to incite emotions, in my view. People are mad because they weren't notified of his death, but that's not their right, the gentleman chose that. He must have had his reasons, and Pegasos respects their members' desire for privacy and try to accommodate when they can. (In this case they gave in when too much "heat" was applied). And also he had health concerns if you read the article. I like both Dignitas and Pegasos and have respect for both of them, and my communications with either have been professional and empathetic. (I am a member of both).

 

[mortuarymary]

Here's the article, if anyone wants to read it:

Teacher secretly pays Swiss clinic £10k to kill himself by injection

47-year-old schoolteacher, Alastair Hamilton with no diagnosed illness paid more than £10,000 to die at a Swiss suicide clinic - which then kept his death a secret from his family, Mail on Sunday reveals.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This case is strange. I thought Pegasos also required someone to be physically ill. How did he convince them?

I thought so too. I want to use them but was unsure if they took on mental health patients

 

[eashanm]

Yeah I was also planning to apply at Pegasos but I can no longer sit in an aeroplane to go to Switzerland, so will do locally here

 

[bluebirds]

Yeah I was also planning to apply at Pegasos but I can no longer sit in an aeroplane to go to Switzerland, so will do locally here

Locally where ?

 

[Argo]

That guy looks okay too, seems to have his shit together from the outside. But we don't know his story. We don't know his trauma. We don't know what tortured him so much. And now factor that across 8 Billion people, most of whom, from the outside, do not have their shit together and are just disqualified for life outright. It's not the greatest place to exist in to put it mildly, and it would be an act of heroism if someone could just press the off switch on the universe. No amount of joy is worth the pain that exists on Earth.

 

[Imprisoned]

Lucky guy. I wish I had enough money to go through with this option.

 

[matt1968]

I am going to look into this.

 

[fightingforchoice]

I wonder what an earth this guy said to get the go- ahead!

 

[mortuarymary]

Im hoping they take mental health patients after this. Not sure the other does. Someone paid was told by 2 doctors he wasn't a candidate for it. He succeed in the end with pegasos but they are still fighting to get his money back. Think it was £10K

Locally where ?

Probably at home.

 

[randal_bond]

Yeah I was also planning to apply at Pegasos but I can no longer sit in an aeroplane to go to Switzerland, so will do locally here

Sending you hugs, my friend. Do keep us updated. I plan to go the same way, so will be interested in everything you care to share with us.

 

[mortuarymary]

Lucky guy. I wish I had enough money to go through with this option.

Think it's £12k
I would go alone not want to implicate my partner or family. Even my Dr knows this is my preferred choice.
I even made a joke of doing a go fund page LOL

 

[UKscotty]

£12k seems a lot of money for something you can do for free.

Given the amounts of botched executions etc, I really don't see the appeal of these places. Even nation states can't get it right when trying hard to execute people, a small private charity seems very risky.

I get the sentiment that it feels relieving to hand over the final moments to someone else, but the practical aspects seems a bit more complicated than it seems.

 

[matt1968]

£12k seems a lot of money for something you can do for free.

Given the amounts of botched executions etc, I really don't see the appeal of these places. Even nation states can't get it right when trying hard to execute people, a small private charity seems very risky.

I get the sentiment that it feels relieving to hand over the final moments to someone else, but the practical aspects seems a bit more complicated than it seems.

I think it's around £9k; it's 10k in Swiss currency.

It's really difficult. They do quite a lot for that money - cremation and sending the ashes.

Also I can imagine my SI kicking in. And talking to psychiatrists with my anxiety and depression.

 

[Erick]

The problem with VAD is the burocracy. Even if your application gets approved, you will have to go through a burocratic proccess that may take months to get passed, and there's a chance of failure. I sent an email do Pegasos talking about my chronic dryness (dry eyes, dry skin, dry mouth...) and a guy called Damian said he doesn't know if I would get approved, but if I was unlikely to be approved, he would tell me. I'm 34 at the moment.

 

[mortuarymary]

£12k seems a lot of money for something you can do for free.

Given the amounts of botched executions etc, I really don't see the appeal of these places. Even nation states can't get it right when trying hard to execute people, a small private charity seems very risky.

I get the sentiment that it feels relieving to hand over the final moments to someone else, but the practical aspects seems a bit more complicated than it seems.

I know., I've tried hanging, and SI kicked in, same with the overdose and bag over my head.
I don't have the strength in me to hang again. I know there is a good success rate but someone finding me with my tongue out, eyes bulging and purple face, well, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy.

 

[UKscotty]

I get in principle it's a good idea but in practice I don't think it would be a good route for society. If you are in a right wing country, the rich would use it as a means to kill off the so called unproductive members.

I do think we should have something to help the terminally ill who are bed bound though, if it's what they want.

Also I really do get many people think suicide needs to even easier, but it already is. The issue is our survival instinct, not an access to any particular method.

I know., I've tried hanging, and SI kicked in, same with the overdose and bag over my head.
I don't have the strength in me to hang again. I know there is a good success rate but someone finding me with my tongue out, eyes bulging and purple face, well, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy.

Death in any form is never going to be good but the way I see it is we are all dying anyway.

I know., I've tried hanging, and SI kicked in, same with the overdose and bag over my head.
I don't have the strength in me to hang again. I know there is a good success rate but someone finding me with my tongue out, eyes bulging and purple face, well, I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy.

Death in any form is never going to be good but the way I see it is we are all dying anyway.

 

[mortuarymary]

I get in principle it's a good idea but in practice I don't think it would be a good route for society. If you are in a right wing country, the rich would use it as a means to kill off the so called unproductive members.

I do think we should have something to help the terminally ill who are bed bound though, if it's what they want.

Also I really do get many people think suicide needs to even easier, but it already is. The issue is our survival instinct, not an access to any particular method.

Death in any form is never going to be good but the way I see it is we are all dying anyway.

Death in any form is never going to be good but the way I see it is we are all dying anyway.

I feel OD in your sleep would be the best way. For me anyway.

 

[Erick]

Only famous people seem to not have SI. Hanging, overdose, headshot... All seem so easy for them.
I have a friend that used a belt to hang himself. He blacked out in seconds, didn't feel any pain, but was "saved" by his neighbor who cut the belt. I wonder how he managed to black out, I tried using a belt but never really got close to black out.
He told me that a jiu-jitsu belt is better than a belt, but I don't think a jiu-jitsu belt would handle someone for more than 5 minutes. It would probably break and leave you with brain damage

 

[UKscotty]

I feel OD in your sleep would be the best way. For me anyway.

100% agree with the idea in principle, it would be a great way to go for anyone.

I am just nervous about making it legal, a capitalist society would use it to massacre the disabled, unwell and poor. It wouldn't be open like sending people as Hitler did, but governments would lower benefits, restrict housing, education, health etc. We have seen it here over the past 10 years in the UK. Suicides up, mental health at an all time low, hardly any suicide prevention, a ticking clock in my view.

 

[ScubaCTB]

I read the whole article, and knew I would find two facts - he was single and had no children (and he's very close to my age). He even had a strong family it seems with his brothers and mother. That's not enough to keep a man motivated to live in this world. Sounds like he was sick both mentally and physically too. I'd give anything to come home everyday at my age to a big house full of kids, a beautiful wife, a dog, etc. That would be my motivation to work any job that made that reality stick forever. Instead I haven't even showered since last week.

Feel really bad for this guy. I'll be joining him soon.

 

[mortuarymary]

100% agree with the idea in principle, it would be a great way to go for anyone.

I am just nervous about making it legal, a capitalist society would use it to massacre the disabled, unwell and poor. It wouldn't be open like sending people as Hitler did, but governments would lower benefits, restrict housing, education, health etc. We have seen it here over the past 10 years in the UK. Suicides up, mental health at an all time low, hardly any suicide prevention, a ticking clock in my view.

In the job I do I have poor folks stuck in fridges with no ID and no one wants to know. That makes me sad. Suicide is definitely at it all time high.

 

[matt1968]

I read the whole article, and knew I would find two facts - he was single and had no children (and he's very close to my age). He even had a strong family it seems with his brothers and mother. That's not enough to keep a man motivated to live in this world. Sounds like he was sick both mentally and physically too. I'd give anything to come home everyday at my age to a big house full of kids, a beautiful wife, a dog, etc. That would be my motivation to work any job that made that reality stick forever. Instead I haven't even showered since last week.

Feel really bad for this guy. I'll be joining him soon.

I've got to my mid 50s with no children.

I've climbed out of some holes before but something has changed in my mind and body.

 

[mortuarymary]

I've got to my mid 50s with no children.

I've climbed out of some holes before but something has changed in my mind and body.

No kids either, just furry ones. Didnt want to bring something into this world that would inherit these awful genes.

 

[matt1968]

No kids either, just furry ones. Didnt want to bring something into this world that would inherit these awful genes.

Yes, I had the opportunity as well at one point and decided not to for the same reason.

Sending you blessings.