Help Making sure partial hanging goes right

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

I would rather use a method that is much easier such as a gun but the gun laws in my state are very strict and I have a record of mental health issues.

The only real option I have is partial hanging and I cannot afford to mess it up and go to the hospital.

I need help choosing my rope, making sure I get the slipknot right, and insuring it actually works.

For the rope my options are sisal rope, polypropylene, and paracord. I know nylon will work terribly snd I am guessing it is the same for other slippery ropes? Either way advice on rope material would be great.

And the other two questions are more open answered but any help would be appreciated because like I said, I cannot afford to fail.

 

[JesiBel]

Any strong, sturdy rope will work; polypropylene ropes are good because they can support a lot of weight. You have to choose one that doesn't have much elasticity, as it will stretch significantly when you apply your weight.

Mine has no elasticity at all, it's a static braided polypropylene rope. Almost the thickness of a finger, 12 mm.

To prevent the knot from unraveling you can tie the noose knot with a stopper knot.

 

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

Any strong, sturdy rope will work; polypropylene ropes are good because they can support a lot of weight. You have to choose one that doesn't have much elasticity, as it will stretch significantly when you apply your weight.

Mine has no elasticity at all, it's a static braided polypropylene rope. Almost the thickness of a finger, 12 mm.

To prevent the knot from unraveling you can tie the noose knot with a stopper knot.

Thank you!

 

[xXSufferingXx]

I know nylon will work terribly

someone told me nylon was great and one of the best. who is right?

 

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

someone told me nylon was great and one of the best. who is right?

I am not entirely sure but the reason I heard nylon is not the best because of how slippery it can be, but that may be incorrect? But I have used nylon rope in everyday life before and it makes sense to me

 

[AreWeWinning]

someone told me nylon was great and one of the best. who is right?

I am not entirely sure but the reason I heard nylon is not the best because of how slippery it can be, but that may be incorrect? But I have used nylon rope in everyday life before and it makes sense to me

Regarding the question of nylon, I think if a rope is slippery, that's a good thing, because the noose will tighten better. So, in this regard, nylon is fine.

Polypropylene (PP) and polyester (PES) are the most ideal, in my opinion, but nylon can work too. Nylon is a bit stretchier. It stretches about 15-25% under normal load. Considering that the rope length will be extremely short and that the rope will likely be stronger than necessary (i.e. the load will be less than its normal capacity), the stretch should still be minimal, or even negligible. Since you used nylon ropes, would you agree? Or am I getting it wrong?

 

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

Regarding the question of nylon, I think if a rope is slippery, that's a good thing, because the noose will tighten better. So, in this regard, nylon is fine.

Polypropylene (PP) and polyester (PES) are the most ideal, in my opinion, but nylon can work too. Nylon is a bit stretchier. It stretches about 15-25% under normal load. Considering that the rope length will be extremely short and that the rope will likely be stronger than necessary (i.e. the load will be less than its normal capacity), the stretch should still be minimal, or even negligible. Since you used nylon ropes, would you agree? Or am I getting it wrong?

The stretch is not an issue but it can be pretty hard to get knots to tie, but that just might be me being bad at tying knots

 

[AreWeWinning]

The stretch is not an issue but it can be pretty hard to get knots to tie, but that just might be me being bad at tying knots

Maybe it's not a skill issue, but a question of which specific knots you use. Some knots might not work as well on a slippery rope as others.

 

[happilyneverafter]

someone told me nylon was great and one of the best. who is right?

Nylon has WAY TOO MUCH elasticity in it .. nylon would be a TERRIBLE CHOICE!

 

[AreWeWinning]

Nylon has WAY TOO MUCH elasticity in it .. nylon would be a TERRIBLE CHOICE!

Would you elaborate on this? What is your opinion based on? As far as I know nylon stretches about 15-25% under normal working load. If there's 1 meter of rope between the noose and the anchor point, and we load it well below its capacity — which will be the case — it'll stretch maybe 10-15 cm at most? I don't see that as a problem.

I agree that polypropylene and polyester ropes are the ideal choice. But nylon ropes are popular too, and they are still better than a natural rope, for example.

Also, static and semi-static climbing ropes are often made of nylon, and some are very low stretch. I'm not sure why this is, just an interesting observation.

 

[happilyneverafter]

K. where do I begin? First of all, my posts or replies to posts are just my opinion. I'm not an expert on anything and to be clear, I didn't say that I thought it would be impossible to kill yourself with nylon rope. Just that it's not a good choice amongst the numerous different types of rope. Technically, it would be possible to kill yourself by making your own rope braiding a couple thousand spools of thread together but there are a lot of better options out there imo. Like I said in the simplified answer above.. nylon has too much elasticity in it. The elasticity in it will cause it to give, having a bungee effect to it. And static and semi- static rope does have nylon in them… but they are not made of 100% nylon in them. The cores are often made with nylon but it's because if a climbers hand slips or whatever, causing the them to fall, then the elasticity in the nylon stretches so that it absorbs most of the shock. Without any stretching effect in the rope the climber would come to an abrupt violent stop…kinda like a car hitting a brick wall. But if you are attempting to take your life then the violent stop should be desired imo. Also it will close and stay tightened down on your neck. Manila hemp rope is what many executioners used back in the 1600-1800s. Don't quote me on this, but if I'm not mistaken.. many people died from the drop causing their neck to break, severing their spinal cord from the brain stem causing instantaneous death. If it was done right that is. If not, then they would die from cerebral hypoxia by cutting off oxygen to the brain. I'm not going to put what I think would be the perfect step by step directions to hang yourself with a material list. Just imo, the elasticity from using 100% nylon would at best cause cerebral hypoxia, which is a lot longer and more uncomfortable process than I would personally want to go through. If I was going to use this method I think I'd prefer the method executioners used, causing instantaneous death.

 

[AreWeWinning]

Like I said in the simplified answer above.. nylon has too much elasticity in it. The elasticity in it will cause it to give, having a bungee effect to it. And static and semi- static rope does have nylon in them… but they are not made of 100% nylon in them. The cores are often made with nylon but it's because if a climbers hand slips or whatever, causing the them to fall, then the elasticity in the nylon stretches so that it absorbs most of the shock.

As I understand it, static climbing ropes are not shock-absorbing. That's what dynamic climbing ropes are for.

But if you are attempting to take your life then the violent stop should be desired imo. Also it will close and stay tightened down on your neck. Manila hemp rope is what many executioners used back in the 1600-1800s. Don't quote me on this, but if I'm not mistaken.. many people died from the drop causing their neck to break, severing their spinal cord from the brain stem causing instantaneous death. If it was done right that is. If not, then they would die from cerebral hypoxia by cutting off oxygen to the brain. I'm not going to put what I think would be the perfect step by step directions to hang yourself with a material list. Just imo, the elasticity from using 100% nylon would at best cause cerebral hypoxia, which is a lot longer and more uncomfortable process than I would personally want to go through. If I was going to use this method I think I'd prefer the method executioners used, causing instantaneous death.

Sure, for long-drop hanging, I wouldn't use a nylon rope. However, we were talking about partial or full suspension here.

In suspension (non-judicial) hanging, cerebral hypoxia is the goal to achieve, ideally as quickly as possible. If you prefer the long-drop (judicial) method, that's fine.