m30 Questions…

[emgrl]

I got my fent test in, and was able to test my m30s. There's definitely fent in them. There aren't many threads on this method… anyone have a regimen to follow?



(I circled my test strip in yellow)

 

[wljourney]

Thanks for sharing, that's really interesting.

I am a total newbie to F and won't ask you how you managed to get these (I am sure you'll be inundated with DMs on that).

Another experienced SaSu member is currently working on a bit of an info thread on F, but there are a few unknowns, so the project is currently on hold afaik. I think one of the questions is the same as yours: dosage. potential side effects. best regimen.


What I would like to know is:
How did you access the testing kit?
Do you think that 1 pill has enough F in it to already be fatal?
Are these M30s usually taken orally or crushed and snorted?

I wonder if there are community clinics that offer free drug testing that would actually tell you how much F is in one of these M30s. I know larger cities often offer anonymous drug testing (for user safety). But most require personal drop-in.

 

[ManicPanic2018]

I don't know much about Fent, but I like how red that line is

 

[Hollowillow]

Thanks for sharing, that's really interesting.

I am a total newbie to F and won't ask you how you managed to get these (I am sure you'll be inundated with DMs on that).

Another experienced SaSu member is currently working on a bit of an info thread on F, but there are a few unknowns, so the project is currently on hold afaik. I think one of the questions is the same as yours: dosage. potential side effects. best regimen.


What I would like to know is:
How did you access the testing kit?
Do you think that 1 pill has enough F in it to already be fatal?
Are these M30s usually taken orally or crushed and snorted?

I wonder if there are community clinics that offer free drug testing that would actually tell you how much F is in one of these M30s. I know larger cities often offer anonymous drug testing (for user safety). But most require personal drop-in.

I doubt they make pills that are fatal doses. But if yes, sell 1 for us all?

 

[emgrl]

I don't know much about Fent, but I like how red that line is

It's like maroon! Keeps getting darker haha!

I doubt they make pills that are fatal doses. But if yes, sell 1 for us all?

I don't know much at all, I wish I knew that one had enough. I believe it's 2mg to be fatal, but I don't know if that's in every single pill, sadly.

 

[Littlewittlelight]

I got my fent test in, and was able to test my m30s. There's definitely fent in them. There aren't many threads on this method… anyone have a regimen to follow?


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(I circled my test strip in yellow)

This looks delicious indeed. I don't mind sharing cookies in exchange for it or anything I could share anything. Yum,yum and I don't either but I think I would be looking into this today and there should be something on Ash archive there was a seperate portion for pills and it had tonnes. Hope someone who is experienced could share more on this.

 

[emgrl]

This looks delicious indeed. I don't mind sharing cookies in exchange for it or anything I could share anything. Yum,yum and I don't either but I think I would be looking into this today and there should be something on Ash archive there was a seperate portion for pills and it had tonnes. Hope someone who is experienced could share more on this.

Thanks hun, you can message me if you'd like.

 

[Hollowillow]

This looks delicious indeed. I don't mind sharing cookies in exchange for it or anything I could share anything. Yum,yum and I don't either but I think I would be looking into this today and there should be something on Ash archive there was a seperate portion for pills and it had tonnes. Hope someone who is experienced could share more on this.

Hahaha! Instead of pot muffins & suicide coolaid... The fentanil cookies! Invite me to that party!

 

[wljourney]

So, I have learned that M30s are Oxy cut with F. But we don't really know how much F is contained in them, so we can't say what a fatal amount would be. It would require an actual lab test to find out how much F these contain and I assume that every sample from a different source would differ, which makes it impossible to say "x number of M30s needed for CTB".

What I am also wondering is how F affects the body, i.e. what is the technical effect on the body and what does a death by F look like.
Based on that info we could probably figure out the best regimen when taking these.

Knowing not much about M30s I would assume that following the N protocol (fasting, Meto, little or no alcohol) should be sufficient. All you want to prevent is throwing up. There shouldn't be other side effects (like we know from SN) since it's a different mechanism (methemoglobinemia).

 

[emgrl]

Hahaha! Instead of pot muffins & suicide coolaid... The fentanil cookies! Invite me to that party!

And clonazepam cocktails!

 

[Hollowillow]

So, I have learned that M30s are Oxy cut with F. But we don't really know how much F is contained in them, so we can't say what a fatal amount would be. It would require an actual lab test to find out how much F these contain and I assume that every sample from a different source would differ, which makes it impossible to say "x number of M30s needed for CTB".

What I am also wondering is how F affects the body, i.e. what is the technical effect on the body and what does a death by F look like.
Based on that info we could probably figure out the best regimen when taking these.

Knowing not much about M30s I would assume that following the N protocol (fasting, Meto, little or no alcohol) should be sufficient. All you want to prevent is throwing up. There shouldn't be other side effects (like we know from SN) since it's a different mechanism (methemoglobinemia).

I'm impressed by your knowledge, it's beyond me.

And clonazepam cocktails!

Google say that this anxiety medication? Causes breathing problems when mixed with alcohol? Sounds like a plan! Suffocation cocktails!

 

[emgrl]

I'm impressed by your knowledge, it's beyond me.

Google say that this anxiety medication? Causes breathing problems when mixed with alcohol? Sounds like a plan! Suffocation cocktails!

Yeah, it's a benzo, probably shouldn't take it with alcohol haha!

 

[Hollowillow]

Yeah, it's a benzo, probably shouldn't take it with alcohol haha!

Drugs are like chinese words but without the pretty kanji symbols. A mystery to me. I'll need help to get the extra stuff after I find cheap but good sn. Tips?
So nice that we played in public today. I still struggle replying pm. It started in reddit with so many bans from bots...

 

[emgrl]

I doubt they make pills that are fatal doses. But if yes, sell 1 for us all?

They might not intend for them to be fatal, but they're not as cautious as actual pharmaceutical pill makers when dividing up correct doses in each pill.

So where as one can be fatal, the next might not be…

 

[Hollowillow]

Maybe you have a big od there... But I'll miss you *hugs* how did you get those? Prescribed physical pain meds?

 

[emgrl]

Drugs are like chinese words but without the pretty kanji symbols. A mystery to me. I'll need help to get the extra stuff after I find cheap but good sn. Tips?
So nice that we played in public today. I still struggle replying pm. It started in reddit with so many bans from bots...

Haha! Yes, nice to play in the playground :) no worries, we don't have to chat anywhere but here x

Maybe you have a big od there... But I'll miss you *hugs* how did you get those? Prescribed physical pain meds?

I'm sure of taken in great amounts, it's fatal. Nooo, they rarely prescribe or even manufacture these anymore. Most are all fake.

 

[Hollowillow]

Haha! Yes, nice to play in the playground :) no worries, we don't have to chat anywhere but here x

Nooo I love private pm it feels closer & special. So I feel like I should wait to be in a good receptive mood, instead of binging hysterically on random posting from fear of sleeping. You deserve better. But being out of my mind can be fun too?

 

[AliceTheGoon]

Do you think that 1 pill has enough F in it to already be fatal?

I have these same ones and I described my experience with one pill in another thread. Obviously not fatal but who knows, maybe some are and some aren't. I had a few moments of relaxation but mostly it made me sick. I woke up the next morning with what felt like a really bad hangover that lasted for two days. A week later I'm still digging out of the constipation.

Also I took half, then an hour later took the other half. It's possible that taking a whole one at once would have a different outcome.

 

[Hollowillow]

VG

I have these same ones and I described my experience with one pill in another thread. Obviously not fatal but who knows, maybe some are and some aren't. I had a few moments of relaxation but mostly it made me sick. I woke up the next morning with what felt like a really bad hangover that lasted for two days. A week later I'm still digging out of the constipation.

Also I took half, then an hour later took the other half. It's possible that taking a whole one at once would have a different outcome.

Veggies makes me poop vitamin c & magnesium too.

 

[emgrl]

I have these same ones and I described my experience with one pill in another thread. Obviously not fatal but who knows, maybe some are and some aren't. I had a few moments of relaxation but mostly it made me sick. I woke up the next morning with what felt like a really bad hangover that lasted for two days. A week later I'm still digging out of the constipation.

Also I took half, then an hour later took the other half. It's possible that taking a whole one at once would have a different outcome.

I know you did, and that didn't sound fun. I'm wondering if a lot are taken, that's it… lights out?

Nooo I love private pm it feels closer & special. So I feel like I should wait to be in a good receptive mood, instead of binging hysterically on random posting from fear of sleeping. You deserve better. But being out of my mind can be fun too?

We can talk wherever you like. I'm always around

 

[Hollowillow]

I know you did, and that didn't sound fun. I'm wondering if a lot are taken, that's it… lights out?

We can talk wherever you like. I'm always around

Yay *hugs* you don't work either?

 

[Littlewittlelight]

Thanks hun, you can message me if you'd like.

I can't get hold of these anyway but Google says it's 50 times stronger than hero and 100 times than morphine. How does the fent cookies sound now? And yeah alcohol with it equals slumber. Slumber party at whose place now? I don't have a place damn. Just share some fent cookies
Yeah @Hollowillow for sure it is fadal really fadal but who knows it's 100% still if you believe in hero then you could in this but research is what we all look for so someone gotta make sure how much 1 pill has. Sumber party on ss.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

I know you did, and that didn't sound fun. I'm wondering if a lot are taken, that's it… lights out?

One would hope right...I'd hate to take more and just compound the sick feeling. There was another poster here who survived one and said he was going to take more but last I saw he was still around and never said if he did. I haven't found any info about the details of any of the publicized deaths...did they just swallow a handful? Smoke them? Snort them? Seems like a lot of addicts smoke these. Maybe swallowing them isn't lethal, who knows.

 

[Hollowillow]

Perfect cookies to go meet grandma! (Mine is dead)

Aw, you're homeless? I admire your courage. I wish I could travel the country with a backpack. How do you survive?

Slumber party pillow fight! *Waves pillow giggling. Smothers your face* (I wish... Mutual smother)

One would hope right...I'd hate to take more and just compound the sick feeling. There was another poster here who survived one and said he was going to take more but last I saw he was still around and never said if he did. I haven't found any info about the details of any of the publicized deaths...did they just swallow a handful? Smoke them? Snort them? Seems like a lot of addicts smoke these. Maybe swallowing them isn't lethal, who knows.

I only know some vitamins. I'll need a coach for those. How much to get them?

 

[Smart No More]

So, I have learned that M30s are Oxy cut with F. But we don't really know how much F is contained in them, so we can't say what a fatal amount would be. It would require an actual lab test to find out how much F these contain and I assume that every sample from a different source would differ, which makes it impossible to say "x number of M30s needed for CTB".

What I am also wondering is how F affects the body, i.e. what is the technical effect on the body and what does a death by F look like.
Based on that info we could probably figure out the best regimen when taking these.

Knowing not much about M30s I would assume that following the N protocol (fasting, Meto, little or no alcohol) should be sufficient. All you want to prevent is throwing up. There shouldn't be other side effects (like we know from SN) since it's a different mechanism (methemoglobinemia).

Even a lab test would be inconclusive unfortunately because they're not evenly dosed. That's why people keep accidentally dying from them. They can do 5 pills one day and then a single pill can kill them the next. They contain hotspots due to insufficient mixing before being pressed. I guess an assay might give some idea to work from for the signle batch ordered from but as a guideline for everyone it would be misleading.

When it comes to regimen it's much less important than N and SN. ROA is probably more relevant and I guess that might influence regimen.

 

[Hollowillow]

Even a lab test would be inconclusive unfortunately because they're not wvenly dosed. That's why people keep dying from them. They can do 5 pills one day and then a single pill can kill them the next. They contain hotspots due to insufficient mixing before being pressed. I guess an assay might give some idea to work from for the signle batch ordered from but as a guideline for everyine it would be misleading.

When it comes to regimen it's much less important than N and SN. ROA is probably more relevant and I guess that might influence regimen.

Great way to bypass SI. You pretend to get high hoping to win the ctb lottery.

What is roa?

 

[Smart No More]

Great way to bypass SI. You pretend to get high hoping to win the ctb lottery.

What is roa?

Route of administration. (how you get it in your body lol)

 

[CassieHoward]

a little birdie summoned me.

How did you access the testing kit?

they can be bought online or you can take them to a safe injection site and they'll test your drugs for you. there are also websites that deal with this sort of thing - canada has a few, and i'd imagine other countries might as well.

Do you think that 1 pill has enough F in it to already be fatal?

i believe this was answered, and smartnm touched on it nicely as well - vendors don't really take great care to distribute the f within the drug. the only reason it's added is bc fent is extremely cheap and it adds more 'bulk' to their product, so they sell more. it could contain a lethal dose, it could not. if op has no opioid tolerance then i'd imagine we're already dangerously close to what would constitute as a lethal dose.

Are these M30s usually taken orally or crushed and snorted?

your call - there are differences of course but it shouldn't matter with a fatal dose

What I am also wondering is how F affects the body, i.e. what is the technical effect on the body and what does a death by F look like.
Based on that info we could probably figure out the best regimen when taking these.

you get tired, less receptive to pain, a bit of nausea, confusion, and of course nodding (the trademark of opioids). euphoria is common with other opioids but in my experience it is nonexistent with fent.

it works incredibly fast - i'm speaking within seconds. if you take orally you'll probably feel symptoms coming on, but you almost certainly won't even realize you're going to pass out - maybe in a few minutes? taking by iv, you probably won't even get a chance to take the needle out of your arm lol

fent overdoses really are like falling asleep... they're very peaceful, it's almost shocking to witness

anyone have a regimen to follow?

you should probably fast or, at the very least, not eat since opioids work best on an empty stomach. i don't know that an entiemetic is necessary, but it wouldn't hurt... having witnessed fent overdoses, vomiting happens but it isn't that common. even if you vomit, it's very likely you end up choking on that and passing on that way.

 

[wljourney]

a little birdie summoned me.


they can be bought online or you can take them to a safe injection site and they'll test your drugs for you. there are also websites that deal with this sort of thing - canada has a few, and i'd imagine other countries might as well.


i believe this was answered, and smartnm touched on it nicely as well - vendors don't really take great care to distribute the f within the drug. the only reason it's added is bc fent is extremely cheap and it adds more 'bulk' to their product, so they sell more. it could contain a lethal dose, it could not. if op has no opioid tolerance then i'd imagine we're already dangerously close to what would constitute as a lethal dose.


your call - there are differences of course but it shouldn't matter with a fatal dose


you get tired, less receptive to pain, a bit of nausea, confusion, and of course nodding (the trademark of opioids). euphoria is common with other opioids but in my experience it is nonexistent with fent.

it works incredibly fast - i'm speaking within seconds. if you take orally you'll probably feel symptoms coming on, but you almost certainly won't even realize you're going to pass out - maybe in a few minutes? taking by iv, you probably won't even get a chance to take the needle out of your arm lol

fent overdoses really are like falling asleep... they're very peaceful, it's almost shocking to witness


you should probably fast or, at the very least, not eat since opioids work best on an empty stomach. i don't know that an entiemetic is necessary, but it wouldn't hurt... having witnessed fent overdoses, vomiting happens but it isn't that common. even if you vomit, it's very likely you end up choking on that and passing on that way.

Thank you so much!!!! Also to @Smart No More

I think we could use an FAQ thread on F without the chitterchatter at some point. Instead of having to go through dozens of separate threads, collating info like this in one megathread.

Not today (I am too tired/can't concentrate) but at some point i'd like to start this and invite people who clearly have more experience than I do for comment/input.

 

[Smart No More]

Honestly I think using actual oxy might be easier to quantify reliably. Bare in mind that fentanyl is just another opioid. It's strong by volume sure but that's all. It's no more likely to successful than oxy, clean heroin or most other opioids in its class. I think F seems appealing partly due to it's notoriety in the press but when you really consider it, it makes little sense to chase it down to use pills with varying unreliable quantity if you can access a more reliably dosed alternative. There are many analogues/opioids stronger by volume than F now too so it's likely some of those are finding there way into pills. Fact of the matter is we just don't know what's in them (even when they test positive for F there could be other active components in there) and as a result we can't say with any degree of certainty how peaceful the experience will be from one batch too another. I mean I would wager it would be peaceful but its just not a certainty.

Pressed Oxy doesn't usually contain oxycodone. If it did there'd be little point in adding fent. Instead it contains the fent as a substitute due to its availability (for criminal particular organisations) and low cost. Therefore the pressed pills are a fraction of the cost of genuine ones. Similarly street heroin (and probably dark net source heroin) is actually cheaper by weight and strength but again, like the pills it's strength is not reliably quantified.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame OP for going down the pressed/counterfeit M30 route. If I had easy access I would too. I'm not even opposed to H as alternative for me personally. I'm just saying that if a measured approach is desired there is absolutely no reason not to go with genuine oxy or similar. Ironically they're easier to source in sone places though not all of course. I think it's worth noting that your position on the map is a relevant factor in what's obtainable and that in turn might well inform your opioid of choice. Also noteworthy is the reason this method isn't considered as highly as you might expect in the ppeh rating system and that is of course the risk of being bought round if found and the potential implications that could have on your ongoing quality of life and those around you. These risks are present with other methods too and I think it's really important that they're stressed in any kind of compilation of info.

Another factor might be cost but if you're able to afford N (if it were available) then you could afford opioids. Both are illegal but sources for opioids are much more plentiful although that does come with less documented reliability for each one respectively. So I guess any compiled plan would require the consideration of a few opioids/opiates. The result and regemen would be essentially the same. The only variables would be dose and potentially ROA I think. Aside from those of an individual nature for the user

I wil add that there are some opioids I'd steer clear of based on my experience. They would include the likes of codeine phosphate and dihydrocodeine. In my personal experience they're not very nice in high doses (recreationally) and came with dry heaving and discomfort. Also some opioids are sold with another active analgesic ingredient mixed in and I'd rule those out too.