Discussion Lobotomy 2.0 -- Future of CTB prevention?

[Archness]

I predict, as mental illnesses, alienation, isolation, suicidallity, etc increases, we'll see drastic measures taken.

I always have these far-out predictions of where shit's gonna go. Normally I'd put it off as a pipe dream, but looking at recent progressions just starting with other things in society, nothing's too far.

The Lobotomy, even when it clearly just caused major brain damage with no benefit, was "accepted" as a cure for depression, mental illness, and suicidallity.

I predict the return, no, a progression of it, Lobotomy 2.0 . We'll have competent brain implants, however actually fully incorporating them into the highly complex neural networks in the brain is another question. We could understand what the "inputs" of a device would mean, perhaps what outputs do what, but understanding the entire brain would still effectively be impossible.

These implants would cause more psychological problems then not, due to this inherent limitation. It would have many heavy downsides, and would be abused and have many unforeseen consequences with people.

So, I worry a "final solution" to people not being fit for, beloning, or wanting to be in this world, would come. A total-overwide implant. If we can't change it without problems or side effects, we'll just replace the entire thing with the latest AI; Crating a living puppet.

An AI that disables the brain, but "feasts" on it, turning the brain into an extended database for everything needed to emulate that person, just without any "Problematic" or "Abnormal" thoughts.

But the reality of this "treatment" would be a tightly held secret. It's just be a brain surgery with a near 100% effectiveness for curing all problems, while actually lobotomizing the person and having the implant puppeteer them, not even a replica. It'd be more or less an entirely separate entity in the same body, it wouldn't just be cured, it'd be everything anyone who knew them would want.

disturbing

 

[LittleJem]

I was wondering today if I'd be happier with a lobotomy.

I don't believe they will cure any mental illness with brain chips. It's just an arrogant publicity stunt.

 

[Never Alive]

I was wondering today if I'd be happier with a lobotomy.

I don't believe they will cure any mental illness with brain chips. It's just an arrogant publicity stunt.

You wouldn't be. The few lobotomies that didn't end up in a tradegy just took the soul away of people leaving them just as empty Husk of themselves, barely able to function. Who knows what could go wrong. There's videos of it on YouTube.

I predict, as mental illnesses, alienation, isolation, suicidallity, etc increases, we'll see drastic measures taken.

I always have these far-out predictions of where shit's gonna go. Normally I'd put it off as a pipe dream, but looking at recent progressions just starting with other things in society, nothing's too far.

The Lobotomy, even when it clearly just caused major brain damage with no benefit, was "accepted" as a cure for depression, mental illness, and suicidallity.

I predict the return, no, a progression of it, Lobotomy 2.0 . We'll have competent brain implants, however actually fully incorporating them into the highly complex neural networks in the brain is another question. We could understand what the "inputs" of a device would mean, perhaps what outputs do what, but understanding the entire brain would still effectively be impossible.

These implants would cause more psychological problems then not, due to this inherent limitation. It would have many heavy downsides, and would be abused and have many unforeseen consequences with people.

So, I worry a "final solution" to people not being fit for, beloning, or wanting to be in this world, would come. A total-overwide implant. If we can't change it without problems or side effects, we'll just replace the entire thing with the latest AI; Crating a living puppet.

An AI that disables the brain, but "feasts" on it, turning the brain into an extended database for everything needed to emulate that person, just without any "Problematic" or "Abnormal" thoughts.

But the reality of this "treatment" would be a tightly held secret. It's just be a brain surgery with a near 100% effectiveness for curing all problems, while actually lobotomizing the person and having the implant puppeteer them, not even a replica. It'd be more or less an entirely separate entity in the same body, it wouldn't just be cured, it'd be everything anyone who knew them would want.

disturbing

I need to go this year. The future of this planet is quite frankly speaking, disturbing and grim. There's already billionaires thinking about brainchips.

 

[painfulwords]

i don't think that a lobotomy would solve anything. it may help with draining out a few memories that made you upset, just to "ease" the pain. But I personally think that the feeling of emptiness or loneliness, for example, is established in the core of our brain, you know what I mean?
Let's say, hypothetically, that someone chose to do a lobotomy to get rid of their depression. Supposedly, doctors could brainwash you to forget about a lot of things of your past, but, still, they couldn't ease the pain that depression cause. This kind of feeling isn't easily forgotten or erased. There's a lot of people that don't know what the font of their depression actually is, and some people don't have a life problem that could lead them to it. Instead, they just feel something's wrong, and there's nothing they could do to solve it faster. That's why I don't think that any type of medical activities in the brain could solve something so unexplainably complicated.

 

[Source Energy]

If it can rid me of this debilitating emotional pain, sure, lobotomize away. Second best after stopping to exist

 

[Deo volente]

it'd be everything anyone who knew them would want.

Omg so true. Living is not enough. Living a specific life that is considered well lived is what is demanded.

disables the brain

The logic of lobotomy and that of most suicides don't seem all that different to me. They both consist of disabling the brain to alleviate the experience of suffering. Would this "Lobotomy 2.0" really be CTB prevention? I could appreciate it just as well as CTB 2.0. What difference would it make, if your consciousness was absolved all the same?

 

[LittleJem]

I wish someone would dissect my brain after I die. I'm sure it is dilapidated. Then they could tell my family how my brain caused my suffering.

They have dissected brains of suicides and found less white matter.

 

[CentreMid]

Ironically, these kinds of futuristic drastic measures are just one of the reasons I want to ctb. I agree with you, with the way the world is headed, we're certainly on a path to theses sorts of procedures, and I want absolutely no part of it. Hoping I die before they take place.

 

[LittleJem]

If it can rid me of this debilitating emotional pain, sure, lobotomize away. Second best after stopping to exist

ECT is meant to be good nowadays.

If I have the courage to endure two more med trials and many more days of mental illness then I will beg for ECT.

In the past, ECT would break bones. I read that people preferred a broken shoulder to depression. Now it doesn't bresk bones though.

 

[Das Nichts]

If they find something that strips away feelings and rips out the bad memories I'd be the first one that sings up.

For me it causes more trouble then it's worth and it would surely beat fucking up all the people close to me.

 

[İnilerim]

The logic of lobotomy and that of most suicides don't seem all that different to me. They both consist of disabling the brain to alleviate the experience of suffering. Would this "Lobotomy 2.0" really be CTB prevention? I could appreciate it just as well as CTB 2.0. What difference would it make, if your consciousness was absolved all the same?

Yeah, one thing I keep telling doctors is that it's really not that necessary for me to die, if they want me to continue breathing.

Simply destroy my brain enough so there's nothing but the stem parts left that orchestrate my organs and keep up the chemical systems. Just please don't force me to continue bearing consciousness.

 

[Archness]

bump

 

[unnormal9]

Nothing will prevent suicide. I will always have someway to die.
Even with half a brain, my ridiculousness would get me killed faster, and at least then I wouldn't have SI stopping my suicidal wayward actions.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I suppose anti-depressant and anti-psychotic drugs are a type of chemical labotomy. A friend of mine says it makes them feel like a zombie on them.

I expect there would be people who would voluntarily try such a procedure but I expect you're right- I expect- as more and more people become depressed- more extreme forms of treatment will be pushed on them.

I also liked your point about them not really understanding how the brain works- but messing about with it anyway. Maybe it's the pessimist in me but I find it hard to envisage anything other than a dystopian future.