Life is modern day slavery

[sserafim]

Everyone is born into slavery. We're slaves to capitalism, society and the system. We're also slaves to our bodies and our needs. The most evil fact about all of this is that no one was able to consent to being brought into existence (aka slavery). It happened against everyone's will.

 

[dragonofenvy]

This is why lately I've been having feelings of overwhelming envy (just like my name!) towards whom I perceive to be the managerial class. These are the people who run workplaces and countries and could change things for the betterment of others without the whole toppling capitalism part but they don't. They are sociopathic and self-serving. They tell us not to care for ourselves, but to care for them by being loyal and hard-working to them while they get to serve only themselves while pretending that they're virtuous.

 

[sserafim]

This is why lately I've been having feelings of overwhelming envy (just like my name!) towards whom I perceive to be the managerial class. These are the people who run workplaces and countries and could change things for the betterment of others without the whole toppling capitalism part but they don't. They are sociopathic and self-serving. They tell us not to care for ourselves, but to care for them by being loyal and hard-working to them while they get to serve only themselves while pretending that they're virtuous.

Literally. I'm part of the intelligentsia but I hate capitalism as well. By the way, have you heard of capitalist realism? It's easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism. I hate the system and how it's set up. I guess capitalism is just compatible with human nature. Capitalism rewards greed and selfishness, and the bad and evil people get ahead. They're literally psychopathic and sociopathic. They're self-serving and don't care about anyone else. Under capitalism, you just exist to make rich people even richer. You have to slave away just to afford basic needs (food, shelter and water), which should be human rights. It's absurd that they cost money. I refuse to be a slave to the system. I won't be exploited for my labor. I'll rebel against it instead

 

[mtoro998]

I bet most people wouldnt want to kill themselves if we didnt live under slavery. We only have to deal with this garbage world because other idiots went along with this before we were born.

 

[sserafim]

I bet most people wouldnt want to kill themselves if we didnt live under slavery. We only have to deal with this garbage world because other idiots went along with this before we were born.

Why don't people try to rebel against the system? I don't understand how people are just okay with it

 

[dragonofenvy]

capitalist realism

"the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it."

I find this to be a reasonable take. I'm not anti-capitalist. Probably because as stated above there are 0 viable alternatives. My ideal would be capitalist systems except the people in charge realize you're people. You can still profit, you can still engage in the free market, you can open up a business without the government being your overlord, you can see the innovation that comes from competition. The problem we have today is you can't open a business without the government over-reaching, plus you need money to do so in the first place. The people who run stuff think that anybody who isn't like them is not even a human. I don't even care about the business part myself I just want a job where I'm treated decently and where I'm compensated enough to not need to stress about finances, but 40+ hours per week isn't enough for that, and the upper echelons believe they own you. If you don't do what they want then you're a bad person. Yeah, fuck them.

Why don't people try to rebel against the system? I don't understand how people are just okay with it

We fear the government, hence why it is self-serving. If the government feared us, it would serve the people. Also, by rebel, I'm interpreting this as a violent solution, since clearly the peaceful one hasn't worked. You need a leader to rally behind. Otherwise, you're just an isolated terrorist. I'd ask if you're willing to fight on the frontlines but considering how everyone here wants to die they probably would. I know I would there'd finally be a life purpose for me.

How to radicalize the population: Have them live terrible lives.

 

[sserafim]

"the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it."

I find this to be a reasonable take. I'm not anti-capitalist. Probably because as stated above there are 0 viable alternatives. My ideal would be capitalist systems except the people in charge realize you're people. You can still profit, you can still engage in the free market, you can open up a business without the government being your overlord, you can see the innovation that comes from competition. The problem we have today is you can't open a business without the government over-reaching, plus you need money to do so in the first place. The people who run stuff think that anybody who isn't like them is not even a human. I don't even care about the business part myself I just want a job where I'm treated decently and where I'm compensated enough to not need to stress about finances, but 40+ hours per week isn't enough for that, and how are you not want to do what the upper echelons want you to they own you.


We fear the government, hence why it is self-serving. If the government feared us, it would serve the people. Also, by rebel, I'm interpreting this as a violent solution, since clearly the peaceful one hasn't worked. You need a leader to rally behind. Otherwise, you're just an isolated terrorist. I'd ask if you're willing to fight on the frontlines but considering how everyone here wants to die they probably would. I know I would there'd finally be a life purpose for me.

How to radicalize the population: Have them live terrible lives.

Why do you think that there are zero viable alternatives? Because capitalism works well and is compatible with human nature? @DarkRange55 What do you think? Lol I'll be like Ulrike Meinhof

 

[davidtorez]

"the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it."

I find this to be a reasonable take. I'm not anti-capitalist. Probably because as stated above there are 0 viable alternatives. My ideal would be capitalist systems except the people in charge realize you're people. You can still profit, you can still engage in the free market, you can open up a business without the government being your overlord, you can see the innovation that comes from competition. The problem we have today is you can't open a business without the government over-reaching, plus you need money to do so in the first place. The people who run stuff think that anybody who isn't like them is not even a human. I don't even care about the business part myself I just want a job where I'm treated decently and where I'm compensated enough to not need to stress about finances, but 40+ hours per week isn't enough for that, and the upper echelons believe they own you. If you don't do what they want then you're a bad person. Yeah, fuck them.


We fear the government, hence why it is self-serving. If the government feared us, it would serve the people. Also, by rebel, I'm interpreting this as a violent solution, since clearly the peaceful one hasn't worked. You need a leader to rally behind. Otherwise, you're just an isolated terrorist. I'd ask if you're willing to fight on the frontlines but considering how everyone here wants to die they probably would. I know I would there'd finally be a life purpose for me.

How to radicalize the population: Have them live terrible lives.

And if you start working more than 40 +hours per week you'll realise you're just wasting time you won't get back ! You'll be in the "living to work , not working to live " category . It's all pointless ultimately

 

[ipunp]

Why don't people try to rebel against the system? I don't understand how people are just okay with it

It's been my experience that there's a fair number who aren't okay with it but there's many different reasons I guess. They may not know exactly what to do, may be preoccupied, too tired trying to make ends meet (all the side hustles required to keep a roof over one's head), maybe have been or continued to be punished, bullied or get fired for speaking their minds or doing the right things. If they are an adult with a family or other's depending on them it's going to be even more difficult to risk housing, food, income, safety, etc. for what's truly right. But, once the numbers of people join together on an issue, individuals won't be so much at risk.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Capitalism is also a result. We are trapped in bodies that slowly decay, like everything else produced from the material of this universe. You can't create anything healthy in an entropic universe. The problem is the universe itself. Those who slowly decayed and knew they would die one day enslaved others to make the most of their remaining time. The dice have already been cast for everyone. No one wins. Everyone will suffer, slowly rot and die. True peace will come with the thermal death of the universe.

 

[sserafim]

Capitalism is also a result. We are trapped in bodies that slowly decay, like everything else produced from the material of this universe. You can't create anything healthy in an entropic universe. The problem is the universe itself. Those who slowly decayed and knew they would die one day enslaved others to make the most of their remaining time. The dice have already been cast for everyone. No one wins. Everyone will suffer, slowly rot and die. True peace will come with the thermal death of the universe.

What's the point of all of this? It seems so meaningless to me

 

[Sunset Limited]

What's the point of all of this? It seems so meaningless to me

There is nothing that deserves the attention of a superior consciousness that has passed a certain level of awareness. Monkey games played with expensive toys.

 

[dragonofenvy]

Why do you think that there are zero viable alternatives? Because capitalism works well and is compatible with human nature? Lol I'll be like Ulrike Meinhof

When I've looked at far-left, far-right and libertarian content, to capitalist simps, and die-hard communists to more reasonable centrist takes, I simply don't see how anything could be viable. There will be no equality, period. That has never been how humans worked ever. Even if you have the most dystopian equal society, there is still people who are more equal and privileged than others and there always will be. It simply can't change no matter how much you want it to, and trust me I wish it could.

I think that everyone should have the opportunity to do whatever they wish, however. I do not expect that I will be Elon Musk. I expect that a few people will be like him. I do not want to be Elon Musk. I want to be me. I don't want a mansion. I don't want to drive an Aston Martin.

I want a house the size of my 1-bedroom apartment to get away from people. I want to work at a place where I'm treated decently. Under what system would that be achieved? None.

Because capitalism works well and is compatible with human nature?

Works well for a few people. Okay-ishly for many. Poorly for the majority. Talking using the USA as a reference point. European countries generally are more capitalist than the US. Yes, more. The US continuously restricts the ability of people to start businesses and constantly interferes in it which is the opposite of what capitalism is... ironically because of capitalism lmao. Big businesses lobby for restrictive laws to keep people from starting businesses, restricting competition. It's using capitalism to boost socialist policies (socialist as in government being involved in private businesses) to boost capitalism. Now, the countries that are leaning more towards alternatives or just have no functioning government, they all suck.

If I am completely wrong about this I'd want to know why. I'd love to be able to think about a viable system rather than being a doomer thinking that nothing will ever work and everything will suck.

And if you start working more than 40 +hours per week you'll realise you're just wasting time you won't get back ! You'll be in the "living to work , not working to live " category . It's all pointless ultimately

I will be working 50 hours per week pretty soon once I get my new shitty job. I'm only doing this so I have enough time to make the fucking stupid DMV update my license so I can buy a gun to off myself with and not become homeless. I'm not sure if I'm being seen as someone defending the state of the world and trying to claim it's good. It's not good. I'm just trying to say that the alternatives suck more. Unless someone can show me something I haven't seen yet.

 

[sserafim]

It's been my experience that there's a fair number who aren't okay with it but there's many different reasons I guess. They may not know exactly what to do, may be preoccupied, too tired trying to make ends meet (all the side hustles required to keep a roof over one's head), maybe have or continued to be punished, bullied or get fired for speaking their minds or doing the right things. If they are an adult with a family or other's depending on them it's going to be even more difficult to risk housing, food, income, safety, etc. for what's truly right. But, once the numbers of people join together on an issue, individuals won't be so much at risk.

Why do you think that no one has joined together to fight against capitalism?

 

[FitsTime]

This is why lately I've been having feelings of overwhelming envy (just like my name!) towards whom I perceive to be the managerial class. These are the people who run workplaces and countries and could change things for the betterment of others without the whole toppling capitalism part but they don't. They are sociopathic and self-serving. They tell us not to care for ourselves, but to care for them by being loyal and hard-working to them while they get to serve only themselves while pretending that they're virtuous.

They're just lucky-bastards or smart-asses that take advantage of their position. Probably we'd do the same. But who knows...

 

[dragonofenvy]

They're just lucky-bastards or smart-asses that take advantage of their position. Probably we'd do the same. But who knows...

Oh, I'd definitely do the same. So I guess I understand where they come from. It's a screw you got mine attitude. But then again, I wouldn't use the corporate drone buzzwords and wouldn't expect that employees like their jobs. I'd understand they're there to be paid not to like my company. That's what I hate the most, they expect that you'll love your crappy food service or factory job. Seriously who genuinely dreams of working in a factory and loves every moment of it? Since I don't want tons of money (what would I do with it) if my hypothetical business became successful I'd probably offer generous benefits like good healthcare, decent vacation time, pay that's above market value if I can afford it, etc. I guess that's where I'd be a bit different. But in today's world, if you're not a sociopath, you're not a manager / CEO. So I guess my business would fail.

Why do you think that no one has joined together to fight against capitalism?

I'd say fear. Lack of a charismatic leader. A purpose (they want to fight capitalism but what to do to replace or change it).

As extreme as this may be, I want the government to be completely undone because begging politicians to make good policies isn't working nor is "voting for the right people" as people love to say is the solution. However, what would I do differently from them? I don't know, that's why I don't follow any particular ideology... yet. That's why I'm not rebelling... yet.

 

[FitsTime]

Oh, I'd definitely do the same. So I guess I understand where they come from. It's a screw you got mine attitude. But then again, I wouldn't use the corporate drone buzzwords and wouldn't expect that employees like their jobs. I'd understand they're there to be paid not to like my company. Since I don't want tons of money (what would I do with it) if my hypothetical business became successful I'd probably offer generous benefits like good healthcare, decent vacation time, pay that's above market value if I can afford it, etc. I guess that's where I'd be a bit different. But in today's world, if you're not a sociopath, you're not a manager / CEO. So I guess my business would fail.

I'd do the same.
IMO, business owners act like this because not all employers are good, many of them just go to work for the salaries and sometimes they don't even do what they are supposed to by contract.
Put yourself in their shoes, they already have lots of responsibilities, they cannot check employers one by one. So they just use the simplest solution.
I've always been an honest worker and respected all the rules, dishonest ones always put me down.

 

[sserafim]

Oh, I'd definitely do the same. So I guess I understand where they come from. It's a screw you got mine attitude. But then again, I wouldn't use the corporate drone buzzwords and wouldn't expect that employees like their jobs. I'd understand they're there to be paid not to like my company. That's what I hate the most, they expect that you'll love your crappy food service or factory job. Seriously who genuinely dreams of working in a factory and loves every moment of it? Since I don't want tons of money (what would I do with it) if my hypothetical business became successful I'd probably offer generous benefits like good healthcare, decent vacation time, pay that's above market value if I can afford it, etc. I guess that's where I'd be a bit different. But in today's world, if you're not a sociopath, you're not a manager / CEO. So I guess my business would fail.

I'd say fear. Lack of a charismatic leader. A purpose (they want to fight capitalism but what to do to replace or change it).

As extreme as this may be, I want the government to be completely undone because begging politicians to make good policies isn't working nor is "voting for the right people" as people love to say is the solution. However, what would I do differently from them? I don't know, that's why I don't follow any particular ideology... yet.

What if I become the charismatic leader jk jk

 

[dragonofenvy]

What if I become the charismatic leader jk jk

It's surprisingly easy to convince the masses to follow you no matter how crazy you may seem. There are plenty of examples. You're not even crazy so fuck it I'd follow you lol.

 

[ipunp]

Why do you think that no one has joined together to fight against capitalism?

Even if you can wrangle a group of any size together, what can often happen is what happens in the capitalistic system itself, you may have a few breaking off into their own unit seeking to fight for the common goal but on different terms while seeking power/status or money and those people can endanger the fight for the good of others.

Division = conquering. Look at all the divisions in America right now for instance. But there's so many divisions, stoked by stealthy hands at times, and so few seem capable of acknowledging that to conquer all that is needed is to divide. If they're busy hating and fighting each other and scrambling to pay inflated prices they've got little time or interest in making billionaires or massive companies pay their fair share of taxes

Also, once people have seen others try to fight for what is right or what the majority of people may want and see them be punished, bullied, shunned, killed, etc. they will avoid conflict and for those in power much can be done with only tacit approval/no opposition.

I've come to believe for a fair number of people the daily grind for many is what keeps certain uprisings at bay. Most cannot afford to jeopardize their income, housing, healthcare whether for themselves or others depending on them. This cannot be overlooked, I do believe that if ways are found around this that more people would ban together for change whether they keep capitalism, modify it a bit or choose another way.

It's surprisingly easy to convince the masses to follow you no matter how crazy you may seem. There are plenty of examples. You're not even crazy so fuck it I'd follow you lol.

"It's surprisingly easy to convince the masses to follow you no matter how crazy you may seem." This is also very true, I was just posting about how an uprising can fail/some won't try but opposites can be simultaneously true.

 

[davidtorez]

When I've looked at far-left, far-right and libertarian content, to capitalist simps, and die-hard communists to more reasonable centrist takes, I simply don't see how anything could be viable. There will be no equality, period. That has never been how humans worked ever. Even if you have the most dystopian equal society, there is still people who are more equal and privileged than others and there always will be. It simply can't change no matter how much you want it to, and trust me I wish it could.

I think that everyone should have the opportunity to do whatever they wish, however. I do not expect that I will be Elon Musk. I expect that a few people will be like him. I do not want to be Elon Musk. I want to be me. I don't want a mansion. I don't want to drive an Aston Martin.

I want a house the size of my 1-bedroom apartment to get away from people. I want to work at a place where I'm treated decently. Under what system would that be achieved? None.


Works well for a few people. Okay-ishly for many. Poorly for the majority. Talking using the USA as a reference point. European countries generally are more capitalist than the US. Yes, more. The US continuously restricts the ability of people to start businesses and constantly interferes in it which is the opposite of what capitalism is... ironically because of capitalism lmao. Big businesses lobby for restrictive laws to keep people from starting businesses, restricting competition. It's using capitalism to boost socialist policies (socialist as in government being involved in private businesses) to boost capitalism. Now, the countries that are leaning more towards alternatives or just have no functioning government, they all suck.

If I am completely wrong about this I'd want to know why. I'd love to be able to think about a viable system rather than being a doomer thinking that nothing will ever work and everything will suck.


I will be working 50 hours per week pretty soon once I get my new shitty job. I'm only doing this so I have enough time to make the fucking stupid DMV update my license so I can buy a gun to off myself with and not become homeless. I'm not sure if I'm being seen as someone defending the state of the world and trying to claim it's good. It's not good. I'm just trying to say that the alternatives suck more. Unless someone can show me something I haven't seen yet.

There's nothing "good" about any of this. By the time you have some money saved for yourself you'll be in a wheelchair in some nursing home with someone else enjoying your money

 

[dragonofenvy]

There's nothing "good" about any of this. By the time you have some money saved for yourself you'll be in a wheelchair in some nursing home with someone else enjoying your money

I never said it was good. I was simply stating the alternatives that people have floated were worse. I said so in my last paragraph which was responding to you. I want there to be a good alternative one day from someone smarter than my dumbass who can also think critically.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Capitalism is the Disease................
......................Socialism is the Cure.

 

[davidtorez]

I never said it was good. I was simply stating the alternatives that people have floated were worse. I said so in my last paragraph which was responding to you. I want there to be a good alternative one day from someone smarter than my dumbass who can also think critically.

Yeah I know you didn't say it was good. I'm just saying as a matter of speaking there's nothing good about any of this. It was only a statement , not so much of a reply .

 

[dragonofenvy]

Yeah I know you didn't say it was good. I'm just saying as a matter of speaking there's nothing good about any of this. It was only a statement , not so much of a reply .

Oh sorry, my bad. It was hard for me to tell given that this is just text. Thanks for clarifying

 

[sserafim]

Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach — 'Happy slaves are the bitterest enemies of freedom.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

 

[ringo99]

I suppose it depends on where you're from. Working in a third world shithole like mine with poorly enforced labor laws would feel like slavery compared to a well managed hybrid government like in Finland or Denmark. One thing I've noticed is that countries ranked high on the happiness index have effective 'cradle to grave' social benefits

 

[sserafim]

I suppose it depends on where you're from. Working in a third world shithole like mine with poorly enforced labor laws would feel like slavery compared to a well managed hybrid government like in Finland or Denmark. One thing I've noticed is that countries ranked high on the happiness index have effective 'cradle to grave' social benefits

I'm from America and I guess I'm from a well-off family, but I still believe that work is modern day slavery. You have to sign away 50 to 60 years of your life to work/a job just to afford to survive. Why should you have to *earn* a living to exist on a planet that you had no say in being on? Life is inherently exploitative and I want no part in it

Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach — 'Happy slaves are the bitterest enemies of freedom.

"The best way to keep a prisoner from escaping is to make sure he never knows he's in prison."

 

[davidtorez]

I'm from America and I guess I'm from a well-off family, but I still believe that work is modern day slavery. You have to sign away 50 to 60 years of your life to work/a job just to afford to survive. Why should you have to *earn* a living to exist on a planet that you had no say in being on? Life is inherently exploitative and I want no part in it
Exactly right! I'd follow you too if you became a leader of a resistance against this procreational pyramid scheme !
"The best way to keep a prisoner from escaping is to make sure he never knows he's in prison."

Capitalism is also a result. We are trapped in bodies that slowly decay, like everything else produced from the material of this universe. You can't create anything healthy in an entropic universe. The problem is the universe itself. Those who slowly decayed and knew they would die one day enslaved others to make the most of their remaining time. The dice have already been cast for everyone. No one wins. Everyone will suffer, slowly rot and die. True peace will come with the thermal death of the universe.

This is so bloody true! I've always said all were doing in a nutshell is fighting entropy. From the moment we are born until we die.

 

[Pluto]