Discussion "Life gets better"

[lovelyheartz]

The problem with this argument is that it doesn't actually matter if it gets better IMO.

The argument that life is worth living because it is enjoyable doesn't make sense, because the non-existent do not desire pleasure, meaning, new experiences, etc. like the living do. By dying, you aren't really missing out on anything, because there will be no more you or desires for good experiences. I'd argue that being dead / non-existent will always be better than being alive because of the existence of pain in life. If we lived in a paradise, with absolutely no negative experiences, even then, dying will be neutral. Since there is pain (and even the happiest people have pain in their lives), dying becomes a positive.

An argument against this is that life has some sort of inherent meaning, so even if life is bad or painful, life is still worth living. However, rationally, life has no meaning other than the meaning we create. The idea of meaning is nothing but an illusion. Why live for an illusion?

 

[motel rooms]

The problem with this argument is that it doesn't actually matter if it gets better IMO.

The problem with it is that it's not an argument at all. It's just a cheap pro-life slogan...

 

[FuneralCry]

I agree. To me non existence is an ideal state. The fact that we exist in the first place is the cause of all of our problems. The idea that life has meaning is just a coping mechanism or people will go insane from the pointlessness of it all. Individuals can see their life as having an purpose, but there is no greater one, individual human lives do not mean anything - we die and then we are forgotten.
When pro lifers say to suicidal people 'life gets better' it is often guilt tripping to try and make them stay alive for selfish reasons.

 

[Soulless Angel]

Yes life can get better, but it doesn't mean we do.
My life/my families life is about to improve ten fold, BUT I'm not better, I still am me, with a shit past, horrid flashbacks, cptsd, anxiety, jumping at every knock, bang or noise, a desire to end everything, none of that changes just because my family is about to do something that they are going to deem *Life will be better*


Its those pro lifers once again, making out that a small sentiment is the be and end all, with no true thought to someone's living experience or where they are mentally in this so called life they ram down our throats

 

[Foogs]

Sometimes life really DOES get better and you're happy. But life ALWAYS eventually gets worse.

 

[Largeletters]

The people who say this in response to a person who is suffering are either lucky or they've never been through shitty things, and thus life has never had to get better for them; it's always been going relatively well. Even if it gets better, I feel damaged, broken, fucked up beyond repair, and besides, I highly doubt it gets better for me, as I've struggled with this shit for several years, and I've been waiting for a long time.