let's make noise once and for all.

[edu0z]

After completely read the long, boring, and wrong article that the NYT made about us : https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ring-log-on.html#interactive-footer-container

I find it sincerely outrageous that they have written all this nonsense. In this forum no one is encouraged to commit suicide. No one comes here happy and is "Manipulated". Those who enter this place are mostly because they have tried everything, and they are desperate. Here they only find what they wanted a long time ago. No one enters here to make the decision to commit suicide, who enters is because he has already taken it.

Unfortunately I haven't met anyone from this place in an intimate way.... but for as long as I have been here, I know firsthand that this place is a temple of help for people that society has rejected. Society like those who wrote that article and who are not able to have a bit of fucking empathy,

I say that until here. Always telling us what to do, telling us that suicide is bad. We're all of legal age here, and no shitty government is going to force me to do something I don't want.

Everyone makes demonstrations... they all go on strike. Why not us? Let's create a "Pro-choise" movement... Let's take advantage of the eye of the hurricane is on this site, and let's make ourselves heard.

 

[deathisnear]

Absolutely. That article made me sick. Pro choice movement indeed, it's our right to end it on our own terms! And this site isn't an encouraging site.. Fuck the NYT

 

[PeacefulTonic]

We're all probably too depressed and suicidal, and by extension, too lazy, and lack the energy, to protest. And think about the anxiety. You're asking for way too much from people here

And we'd get ostracized infinitely more than a woman who's walking into an abortion clinic

 

[edu0z]

We're all probably too depressed and suicidal, and by extension, too lazy, and lack the energy, to protest. And think about the anxiety. You're asking for way too much from people here

And we'd get ostracized infinitely more than a woman who's walking into an abortion clinic

I'm not asking for anything... I know that many here are as artful as I am... I just want us to stop letting them treat us like garbage just for wanting to stop suffering we don't deserve... that we get up and tell them in the face that they are no one to force us... we also have rights, and the free choice of life should be a basic right of every human being.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

I agree with you. I was just really speaking for myself. I can barely function and get out of bed

 

[Ankou]

Everyone makes demonstrations... they all go on strike. Why not us? Let's create a "Pro-choise" movement...

And how do we do that online? We can't do anything in person because then we'll lose our anonymity

 

[Rogue Proxy]

Would the Antinatalism International Right to Die site be a relevant suggestion?

 

[RainAndSadness]

I agree with you. It's definitely frustrating how one of the most important newspapers in the world can write such a one-sided and ill-intentioned article and get away with it. I've lost a lot of faith in the media in the last few years, being on the receiving end of literal fake news repeatedly definitely made me reconsider how I perceive them as a whole. I know that sounds populist and I definitely don't want to tar them all over the same brush. But I don't want to know how many other groups and people have endured such a bad faith interpretation of their causes and beliefs in the past. And I know that has happened, repeatedly, a lot. Many marginalized communities have been victims of attacks from the media in the past for many decades. And one thing is for sure... I've been here for 3.5 years. If the forum really was the way they described it to be, I wouldn't be here. I'm here because the opposite is the case. This is a supportive, empathic community that listens to the struggles of people and I'm depressed that they portrayed us in such a bad light. It doesn't do this community any justice and it's unfair. I'm confident history will prove them wrong though.

 

[Chinaski]

After completely read the long, boring, and wrong article that the NYT made about us : https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ring-log-on.html#interactive-footer-container

I find it sincerely outrageous that they have written all this nonsense. In this forum no one is encouraged to commit suicide. No one comes here happy and is "Manipulated". Those who enter this place are mostly because they have tried everything, and they are desperate. Here they only find what they wanted a long time ago. No one enters here to make the decision to commit suicide, who enters is because he has already taken it.

Unfortunately I haven't met anyone from this place in an intimate way.... but for as long as I have been here, I know firsthand that this place is a temple of help for people that society has rejected. Society like those who wrote that article and who are not able to have a bit of fucking empathy,

I say that until here. Always telling us what to do, telling us that suicide is bad. We're all of legal age here, and no shitty government is going to force me to do something I don't want.

Everyone makes demonstrations... they all go on strike. Why not us? Let's create a "Pro-choise" movement... Let's take advantage of the eye of the hurricane is on this site, and let's make ourselves heard.

I would suggest that we do quite the opposite of this tbqh. The first reason being that there is zero way the concept of suicidal ideation could be given any legitimacy, the second reason being that for all the bullshit in that NYT hit-piece there were enough sobering facts that are sadly accurate and do not reflect well on this community (specifically the Mclnally case) and further scrutiny around such issues will take precedence over any argument in favour of this site in terms of public interest, and the third reason being that those of us who are suicidal as a matter of routine do not seek to wage a fundamentally futile political battle with pro-life forces, l personally would prefer to have less attention than more.

 

[Untetheredwill]

I would suggest that we do quite the opposite of this tbqh. The first reason being that there is zero way the concept of suicidal ideation could be given any legitimacy, the second reason being that for all the bullshit in that NYT hit-piece there were enough sobering facts that are sadly accurate and do not reflect well on this community (specifically the Mclnally case) and further scrutiny around such issues will take precedence over any argument in favour of this site in terms of public interest, and the third reason being that those of us who are suicidal as a matter of routine do not seek to wage a fundamentally futile political battle with pro-life forces, l personally would prefer to have less attention than more.

Interesting point. Perhaps not a cause such as suicidal ideation but a branch of it? The politics of the right to die being human rights may have similar rights to the freedom to choose what drugs we smoke. All I know is that antinatalism will at least get more people on board and prevent future mes. some of the world thinks I'm choosing to avoid recovery, and is pursuing dumb political rights while actual suffering which is rarely talked about in the U.K. causes the modern man/woman to stare at one in horror.

And somehow it's crazy that I'm making these cases about how simple it is to give up but it's somehow not fricking legal.. yet every right to spend money and get numb is being promoted. So I'm insane Apparently? For wanting to go back to the void..

and how I'm sane enough to know it's the right choice and what I lived was actually real but subjectively, plus I'm crazy to be anti-toxic self-help anti-exploitation and abuse by parents who want to give birth and not take responsibiliTy. Everyones got to help themselves, responsibility and apologising for being a shitty life-breeding traditional Judeo-Christian life giver without actually caring for said kids is a problem and the chance to be offered respite not likely at all. Damn i Hate this consciousness ;(

 

[Pluto]

Euthanasia will be increasingly legitimised over the next 30 or so years, but that's not of much use to us.

Let's not forget that in many parts of the world, fundamentalist Abrahamic religious forces are driving many parts of the world back to the stone age, such as abortion in the US. It is not yet time for broader euthanasia discussion in the mainstream, much as I wish it were. Right now, it's still every man for himself.

 

[Chinaski]

Interesting point. Perhaps not a cause such as suicidal ideation but a branch of it? The politics of the right to die being human rights may have similar rights to the freedom to choose what drugs we smoke. All I know is that antinatalism will at least get more people on board and prevent future mes. some of the world thinks I'm choosing to avoid recovery, and is pursuing dumb political rights while actual suffering which is rarely talked about in the U.K. causes the modern man/woman to stare at one in horror.

And somehow it's crazy that I'm making these cases about how simple it is to give up but it's somehow not fricking legal.. yet every right to spend money and get numb is being promoted. So I'm insane Apparently? For wanting to go back to the void..

and how I'm sane enough to know it's the right choice and what I lived was actually real but subjectively, plus I'm crazy to be anti-toxic self-help anti-exploitation and abuse by parents who want to give birth and not take responsibiliTy. Everyones got to help themselves, responsibility and apologising for being a shitty life-breeding traditional Judeo-Christian life giver without actually caring for said kids is a problem and the chance to be offered respite not likely at all. Damn i Hate this consciousness ;(

If you're going to draw a parralel between the right to die and drugs legislation it's worth remembering that the argument to legalise, say, cannabis has been advanced further by its medical use than it has by potheads waving placards stating I LIKE GETTING STONED, and any argument put forward by us will sound more like the latter rather than the former, there are RTD orgs currently fighting this campaign on a stronger footing than we are. I'm personally of the view that the genuinely suicidal really do not want to fight to "stick it to the pro-lifers", besides which there are frankly more pressing political battles to be fought if you are so inclined.

 

[Wojaczek]

Ironically, this is one of the few places on the internet where people don't tell you to kill yourself

 

[Callie Arcale]

I admire anyone who has the strength to stand up for the right to a peaceful and dignified exit, but as far as I'm concerned, I cannot invest what little energy I have in spreading the gospel of free choice and debatting the likes of Fixthe26.

I'm just "happy" there is a place I can come to and talk about suicide and my chronic illness without being served unicorn platitudes about the miracle of life on a plate.

 

[Pluto]

I have wondered about putting a bumper sticker on my car that proudly declares I'M SUICIDAL. Not sure how other motorists or police would react, though.

 

[Untetheredwill]

If you're going to draw a parralel between the right to die and drugs legislation it's worth remembering that the argument to legalise, say, cannabis has been advanced further by its medical use than it has by potheads waving placards stating I LIKE GETTING STONED, and any argument put forward by us will sound more like the latter rather than the former, there are RTD orgs currently fighting this campaign on a stronger footing than we are. I'm personally of the view that the genuinely suicidal really do not want to fight to "stick it to the pro-lifers", besides which there are frankly more pressing political battles to be fought if you are so inclined.

Fair enough. Although I was thinking more in terms of a final day 'performance' piece or shitting on NYT doorstep. I personally have got low energy but for the final day I think a sense of calm will lead to clarity too. And looking into a camera and posting a inspirational message to the antinatalists was more my theory.

 

[Marktheghost]

I have wondered about putting a bumper sticker on my car that proudly declares I'M SUICIDAL. Not sure how other motorists or police would react, though.

I think you should do it.

 

[hopelessgirl]

Ironically, this is one of the few places on the internet where people don't tell you to kill yourself

So true

 

[edu0z]

Would the Antinatalism International Right to Die site be a relevant suggestion?

I didn't know this existed... It's very interesting.

 

[HeckingHecked]

After completely read the long, boring, and wrong article that the NYT made about us : https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ring-log-on.html#interactive-footer-container

I find it sincerely outrageous that they have written all this nonsense. In this forum no one is encouraged to commit suicide. No one comes here happy and is "Manipulated". Those who enter this place are mostly because they have tried everything, and they are desperate. Here they only find what they wanted a long time ago. No one enters here to make the decision to commit suicide, who enters is because he has already taken it.

Unfortunately I haven't met anyone from this place in an intimate way.... but for as long as I have been here, I know firsthand that this place is a temple of help for people that society has rejected. Society like those who wrote that article and who are not able to have a bit of fucking empathy,

I say that until here. Always telling us what to do, telling us that suicide is bad. We're all of legal age here, and no shitty government is going to force me to do something I don't want.

Everyone makes demonstrations... they all go on strike. Why not us? Let's create a "Pro-choise" movement... Let's take advantage of the eye of the hurricane is on this site, and let's make ourselves heard.

This website is the only place I can feel safe.

 

[edu0z]

If you're going to draw a parralel between the right to die and drugs legislation it's worth remembering that the argument to legalise, say, cannabis has been advanced further by its medical use than it has by potheads waving placards stating I LIKE GETTING STONED, and any argument put forward by us will sound more like the latter rather than the former, there are RTD orgs currently fighting this campaign on a stronger footing than we are. I'm personally of the view that the genuinely suicidal really do not want to fight to "stick it to the pro-lifers", besides which there are frankly more pressing political battles to be fought if you are so inclined.

More than anything... politics is still a business. They approved of cannabis because they can make money from them. The antidepressant industry and others that support us give a lot of money regardless of whether it is more or less politically correct. The day there is a way in which we can be charged for dying justifiably, the first place where they will approve it will be USA. It is like feminism, moral or non-moral does not matter, but although it does not seem feminism is a cause that gets many votes and gives money... How many votes do suicidal people give? it seems that not many haha... And it may seem like a very communist or moralistic thought, but I LOVE CAPITALISM, and that's why I tell you that's how it works.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I struggle to think of anything we could possibly do as a form of protest that wouldn't be seen as juvenile and/or otherwise would just help bolster the opposition's case. The most we could maybe hope for is that some uber-beloved celebrity or figurehead is secretly lurking this site and then comes out with public support of our beliefs.