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Law Enforcement Investigation of Suicides (graphic/crude language warning)
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Exactly. As everyone else, I also appreciate the level of detail and interesting insights regarding what goes on in the United States when someone CTBs.
This being said, the summary would be:
- It will be dramatic and shocking
- Some people will be devastated
- There will be a lot of bureaucracy involved
None of this matters after you're gone. Nothing does, and that's the beauty of being gone. It's not like we're supposed to go "uh, that's such a mess! I better stick to living and being a slave of the fucking demiurge until he squeezes the very last drop of energy out of me and then I die anyway!"
I know this was not the intention of the OP (the post was awesome) but I can't help just meeting it with a cold "so what?" life being imposed into us is the first unfair thing to begin with... Being able to make the decision to go is actually the only act that contains a small bit of what could be interpreted as fairness to a being that was forced to live. The mess, suffering and bureaucracy are merely details compared to the burden of existence.
While (sometimes) none of it matters to the person who's gone, learning what happens when devices being seized is useful for those who want to protect their darkest secrets and help protect SaSu... a simple wiping of all devices can make it more challenging for stuff to be extracted and force LE to use cloud data (which maybe can be deleted 30 days before CTB? at least some of the data?).
Imagine if u get subpoenad because of something u said to someone here... because they didn't do a proper wiping of their devices... wouldn't be fun. That's why I'm going to be doing a dd wipe (and factory reset) of my devices if possible.
Now imagine if this site becomes delisted from Google. Google has already implemented age restrictions in Australia... the less people wipe their devices prior to CTB, the more likely this might happen (though yes, 50+ ppl have CTB'd and not much happened, but I don't like pushing our luck)
While (sometimes) none of it matters to the person who's gone, learning what happens when devices being seized is useful for those who want to protect their darkest secrets and help protect SaSu... a simple wiping of all devices can make it more challenging for stuff to be extracted and force LE to use cloud data (which maybe can be deleted 30 days before CTB? at least some of the data?).
Imagine if u get subpoenad because of something u said to someone here... because they didn't do a proper wiping of their devices... wouldn't be fun. That's why I'm going to be doing a dd wipe (and factory reset) of my devices if possible.
Now imagine if this site becomes delisted from Google. Google has already implemented age restrictions in Australia... the less people wipe their devices prior to CTB, the more likely this might happen (though yes, 50+ ppl have CTB'd and not much happened, but I don't like pushing our luck)
That's a very interesting point from the standpoint of a prevention measurement that can be taken to protect members here of potential legal actions against them or censorship of the forum, which is very understandable and I agree with it, however, I don't think it should by no means constitute an argument to deter anybody from leaving if they wish, which I'm sure you also agree with
That's a very interesting point from the standpoint of a prevention measurement that can be taken to protect members here of potential legal actions against them or censorship of the forum, which is very understandable and I agree with it, however, I don't think it should by no means constitute an argument to deter anybody from leaving if they wish, which I'm sure you also agree with
mmm... and it wasn't intended as an argument to actively deter CTB... just point out what LE will likely do. There is also no mention about what happens with a deep sea CTB, eg if the boat is auto sunk after CTB completes... but I'm guessing sonar may (or may not) be able to locate the boat, depending on so many factors (like whether the Coast Guard was able to see the boat far out).
How hard do investigators look for evidence like phones? I have reasons for wanting to keep my phone intact after I die, however I don't want police to violate my privacy and share what they find with my family. I'm hoping that turning my phone off, putting it in a Faraday bag, and locking it in either my gun or document safe will slow them down long enough for the investigation to end.
What about a 38 special? Now I'm reconsidering the 357 and just using 38 special rounds in my 357 gun since they're interchangeable. I want less of a mess. People on this website consider 357 the golden standard but I figure a bullets a bullet.
So I do not offer direct advice on how to do things but rather insight into some subjects. With firearms for say self defence, caliber (bullet size),bullet type, velocity, and shot placement are what you look for. A bigger size hollow point bullet does a lot of damage by creating a large wound cavity. 38 special is middle of the road size wise but is devastating with the right round. All rounds/bullets are not equal.
Question(s) OP:
To the best of your own experience and/or understanding, are some post-mortem photos of ppl that end up on gore sites sourced from investigation docs getting leaked? I've seen quite a few where bodies are photographed either at the scene(s) where they were found, during evidence documentation, or in mortuaries. If that is the case, why is this a recurring phenomenon? Is it due to dentisitization among investigative personnel, leading some to share these types of photos under the guise of shock value or dark humor, such as in the case of "Porsche girl" (Nikki Catsouras)?
Yes. Some is cops just being a-holes. For example, my friends girlfriend found out her sister had been killed by being run over because a cop on scene took a picture and put it on Snap chat. I had photos of dead bodies that I used for training. I was nearly always in my car and was a training officer for rookie cops. My in car computer (MDT) would not pull up old case photos. I wanted a rookie to know exactly what they might see in person because no one prepared me for that stuff. Had a picture of literally textbook lividity/liver mortis that I showed them because if they saw that, the person was dead I.e. do not touch or attempt to resuscitate.
The people that share the photos are generally cruel and want to shock people as you said. I never shared my pictures nor sent them and if I did take a picture, I never allowed the face in the shot.
It will
How hard do investigators look for evidence like phones? I have reasons for wanting to keep my phone intact after I die, however I don't want police to violate my privacy and share what they find with my family. I'm hoping that turning my phone off, putting it in a Faraday bag, and locking it in either my gun or document safe will slow them down long enough for the investigation to end.
It will be found, like I said, a search will be done. Once dead, a person essentially has no privacy rights. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad but its true. The will always try to locate a phone and we always broke into safes with a search warrant. Most of the time the family gave us consent and we didn't need a warrant. As for how hard, I mean usually a look at texts and messages, social media, browsing history, and photos as a basic start. Can be more depending on circumstances
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Sorry if this was already asked earlier but do cops call all your friends after going through your contacts. Im planing on ghosting my friends so they never know I ended it and eventually forget about me. I wasn't going to send them notes but I would do it if the cops will inform them anyway
Edit- what should I leave on a note to identify myself to police. I had my ssn id finger prints and my motive confirming it was a suicide
Sorry if this was already asked earlier but do cops call all your friends after going through your contacts. Im planing on ghosting my friends so they never know I ended it and eventually forget about me. I wasn't going to send them notes but I would do it if the cops will inform them anyway
Damn that really sucks im trying to limit how many people find out. If I didnt live with my family I wouldn't even tell them. This totally changes how ill go about things. Do you know how many people will be contacted or what would make someone be contacted over someone else?
Damn that really sucks im trying to limit how many people find out. If I didnt live with my family I wouldn't even tell them. This totally changes how ill go about things. Do you know how many people will be contacted or what would make someone be contacted over someone else?
I'd think they'd ask simple questions to see what might've happened, for body ID, etc... tho not sure if they would contact more than the last 2 or 3 ppl... tho they could call as many people as needed until someone answers... or just not call anyone if there isn't a valid investigatory reason.
I'd be very interested to know how folks like doctors, MH professionals, professors, etc are informed. The kind of people who would certainly need to know but would likely not be in the individual's recent contacts.
I'd be very interested to know how folks like doctors, MH professionals, professors, etc are informed. The kind of people who would certainly need to know but would likely not be in the individual's recent contacts.
Maybe just luck, and maybe over half a decade "ain't enough time", but as a counselor, I was always glad to have never gotten any calls, contacts, ANYTHING. And tho only once, and I've been SO guilty lately, one person I "did have to" call the cops to come get them cuz they "weren't able to tell me" they weren't going to go home "and probably do it". To be fair I basically begged to "hear something else"... But point being, after the stupid fucking hospital stay, the person actually came back to see me. Told me about what I now know are the usual unhelpful involuntary hospitalizations... Anyways, point being, I had always hoped that person specifically "didn't ctb". (As most people, I used to be basically exclusively pro-life if not terminally ill, old enough and suffering, or whatever - again, as most people) And at the very least neither that person nor anyone else was I ever contacted about... For what this is worth...
Thank you very much for the detailed and informative thread. I hope you are okay, is the holiday period a difficult time for you considering where you are? This year I'm lucky to be in a country where Christmas is not celebrated, so the holidays are not as daunting. If you have time, I have the following questions, please.
1. Maybe it's stupid, but who can be my next of kin? My mom will not survive being notified of my death. Can I in a note specify not to contact her, but instead a sister or uncle (if it has to be family), or can I leave contact details of a friend? I realise the family will eventually have to know, but who receives the news can make a huge difference in how the news is processed.
3. The investigation is everything. Who died, why did they die, how did the die, when did they die. Even if its obvious and spelled out, it still is all investigated to ensure its whatever it is.
2. Thank you for this, I wasn't going to leave detailed information but now think it's best to spell it out. I live in a foreign country and hope the language barrier would prevent too much investigation. In leaving answers to the who, how and when, I hope verification will be easy enough.
Method: SN. I'm guessing LE would want to know where it came from, is that something which would be investigated? I wouldn't want the supplier to get in trouble. How much should I say about it?
Why: I realise I don't matter as a decedent, but don't want people to know the details (some for their own good). Will it be enough simply to say there is nothing left living for? Again, being in a foreign country I'm hoping there won't be much digging. I think people around me (only colleagues really) don't know me well enough to suspect anything. I'm guessing further investigation is up to the family, would you recommend a personalised note to them?
I wasn't going to, but maybe it's more "clean-cut" to leave two notes, one with my ID, method and note of caution to SN, time ingested and details of who to contact. I'm planning on a hotel room (I'll find a way to caution staff to alert the police) and leaving my landlord's details as he knows where I keep my Will. I have instructions to contact a local funeral director who agreed to handle the legalities, cremation and disposal of ashes. And then a second note to the family, wherein I give the reason I think they can handle and state my wishes in regard to cremation abroad.
3. Do you have experience in receiving notification from another state/country on a case where you had to inform the local family? The embassy gave me a list of requirements for when expats die abroad, and I want to ensure my body won't be a legal or financial burden. Anything you can think of in this kind of situation? I know it's beyond borders, but maybe there is something universal or simple I'm missing? I will pay the funeral director, my family doesn't have money and won't be able to travel.
Thanks again for sharing your experience, I wish you all the best.
Forgot I was in here before Christmas, shoulda remembered to wish ya the best holidays you can have in there!
Have worked in and counseled people in inpatient or that have been in jail/prison. Never pushed to be asking about how these holiday times went unless the individual is choosing to bring stuff up. Anyways best New Year as possible to ya, coolest cop plenty of people likely have now met...
Can't help but wonder that since 12ga is so bad for one's home, the outdoors and basically everyone involved - Arguably other than the potential good likelihood (depending of course on aim, physics, etc.) of "success" for the person getting to have choice around their life/death.
Wondering around better options;
Something such as someone that drove away somewhere. Maybe either completing in the car or for outdoors, in a tent.
Frankly these options may delay response time as well, allowing for bleeding out, etc. Because data seems clear that quick CPR and usually medical/surgical intervention are the factors that could also nullify an "attempt" with slightly off aim that may need a bit of time to "complete" to where one can't be revived (though one can hope 00 buckshot is hard to wrongly aim in the mouth or above/behind an ear).
Not asking for advise. But for y'all stakeholders like you've been, any ideas on how this method is easier/less of a burden for all involved?
Oh and silly comparatively, but you mentioned that if electronics have illegal material on them they will be destroyed instead of being given to family. Do you know if this applies to pirated media/games, or maybe even pirated software being on a computer? Again, silly shit, but one could have a family member that could hopefully have something to enjoy and salve some sadness instead of ending up destroyed because of some pirated content...
Again, @COP2CON, happy holidays, just wish ya the best!
Thank you very much for the detailed and informative thread. I hope you are okay, is the holiday period a difficult time for you considering where you are? This year I'm lucky to be in a country where Christmas is not celebrated, so the holidays are not as daunting. If you have time, I have the following questions, please.
1. Maybe it's stupid, but who can be my next of kin? My mom will not survive being notified of my death. Can I in a note specify not to contact her, but instead a sister or uncle (if it has to be family), or can I leave contact details of a friend? I realise the family will eventually have to know, but who receives the news can make a huge difference in how the news is processed.
2. Thank you for this, I wasn't going to leave detailed information but now think it's best to spell it out. I live in a foreign country and hope the language barrier would prevent too much investigation. In leaving answers to the who, how and when, I hope verification will be easy enough.
Method: SN. I'm guessing LE would want to know where it came from, is that something which would be investigated? I wouldn't want the supplier to get in trouble. How much should I say about it?
Why: I realise I don't matter as a decedent, but don't want people to know the details (some for their own good). Will it be enough simply to say there is nothing left living for? Again, being in a foreign country I'm hoping there won't be much digging. I think people around me (only colleagues really) don't know me well enough to suspect anything. I'm guessing further investigation is up to the family, would you recommend a personalised note to them?
I wasn't going to, but maybe it's more "clean-cut" to leave two notes, one with my ID, method and note of caution to SN, time ingested and details of who to contact. I'm planning on a hotel room (I'll find a way to caution staff to alert the police) and leaving my landlord's details as he knows where I keep my Will. I have instructions to contact a local funeral director who agreed to handle the legalities, cremation and disposal of ashes. And then a second note to the family, wherein I give the reason I think they can handle and state my wishes in regard to cremation abroad.
3. Do you have experience in receiving notification from another state/country on a case where you had to inform the local family? The embassy gave me a list of requirements for when expats die abroad, and I want to ensure my body won't be a legal or financial burden. Anything you can think of in this kind of situation? I know it's beyond borders, but maybe there is something universal or simple I'm missing? I will pay the funeral director, my family doesn't have money and won't be able to travel.
Thanks again for sharing your experience, I wish you all the best.
I'm sorry for the delay..... Cloudflare does not work in my tablet (tablet is too old) and right after Christmas, the site wouldn't let me into it without verifying via cloudflare. Today was the first day I'm able to be back so sorry for the delay in answering questions.
1. Next of kin is the most immediate family member that can be located. Upon finding the remains only the most immediate member is notified, others may (and probably Will be) identified and interviewed. Usually the hierarchy for who to notifiy immediately would be like married significant other, parents (mother and/or father depending on circumstances), siblings, then branching out to extended family like aunts/uncles, grandparents, etc if immediate family cannot be located. Unfortunately whatever you put it a note will not be followed. For example, if you wrote that about your mother and she was the most immediate family me member I could find, I would notify her regardless and just have EMS standing by. Its policy not discretion so its not because anyone is trying to be mean or cruel. Again, I was a cop in the US and can only attest to how we handled it, you mentioned a foreign country and things can always be different.
2. Putting details in a note can expedite the investigation process since it can provide a jumping off point. LE would only look into the SN distributor if the substance was illegal or they did not follow proper procedures for distributing it. Here, unless the distributor was in my state then it might be referred to the feds but only if it looked like the didn't follow the law in selling it. Honestly if you got it from somewhere and your not supposed to have it, don't mention them. They may or may not be identified later through a review of your financials or electronic devices.
Here, thanks to FOIA and various open records acts, anything can be requested and viewed by pretty much everyone though it is rarely ever done by anyone outside of the family. Whatever a note says can technically be seen by others if someone requests its but again, its rare. The family actually has no say in the investigation. The matter will be investigated regardless of anyone's wishes to the satisfaction of the investigator heading it.
A note on notes..... So while I hope everyone's circumstances dramatically change and they live happily ever after, know that whatever is said in a note will be remembered by loved ones forever. I only advise that the notes that helped family the most were ones that explained why and where the decedent told them it wasn't their fault and they loved them. Note,even sayinthose thinsgs, people were never OK. Everyone after the fact wants and wishes they could have helped the decedent in any way possible. People always went one of two ways with notes, either they were hateful and rage filled or they were loving and apologetic. One is favored by surviving loved ones more than the other.
As for arrangments for the remains, I can't really speak to it as it was the Coroner who dealt with most of that. I know usually regardless of what plans were made by the decedent, the family was still the ones who decided or not.
3. For all notifications I would be give basic details like where, when, and only sometimes how. I would be given a number and name usually to a coroner/medical examiner/whoever has the remains and would tell families to contact them for more information. Again, with overseas stuff I can't really say because I just never had one before.
Forgot I was in here before Christmas, shoulda remembered to wish ya the best holidays you can have in there!
Have worked in and counseled people in inpatient or that have been in jail/prison. Never pushed to be asking about how these holiday times went unless the individual is choosing to bring stuff up. Anyways best New Year as possible to ya, coolest cop plenty of people likely have now met...
Can't help but wonder that since 12ga is so bad for one's home, the outdoors and basically everyone involved - Arguably other than the potential good likelihood (depending of course on aim, physics, etc.) of "success" for the person getting to have choice around their life/death.
Wondering around better options;
Something such as someone that drove away somewhere. Maybe either completing in the car or for outdoors, in a tent.
Frankly these options may delay response time as well, allowing for bleeding out, etc. Because data seems clear that quick CPR and usually medical/surgical intervention are the factors that could also nullify an "attempt" with slightly off aim that may need a bit of time to "complete" to where one can't be revived (though one can hope 00 buckshot is hard to wrongly aim in the mouth or above/behind an ear).
Not asking for advise. But for y'all stakeholders like you've been, any ideas on how this method is easier/less of a burden for all involved?
Oh and silly comparatively, but you mentioned that if electronics have illegal material on them they will be destroyed instead of being given to family. Do you know if this applies to pirated media/games, or maybe even pirated software being on a computer? Again, silly shit, but one could have a family member that could hopefully have something to enjoy and salve some sadness instead of ending up destroyed because of some pirated content...
Again, @COP2CON, happy holidays, just wish ya the best!
Appreciate your warm sentiments, the holidays sucked but atleats about as much as normal lol.
For 12 gauge you can in fact "miss". Again we have a guy here who messed it up and has only 1/3 of a face now. I dealt with a few others that the same thing happened also. There's no "good" method I guess. The 100% methods are generally super messy and the "more convenient to first responders and family" is generally not assured. For a method though, I have seen a bunch of different ones where people died and others where they didnt so its kind of a toss up question for me. For any method, anything can go wrong same as everything can go right.
Lol no one would care about pirated games or music. If anything we might just look to see where you got it and then use the same site ourselves. Yes I priated things as a cop....no I never arrested anyone for pirating. When I say illegal I am referring 99% of the time to underage porn.
Anyhoo, hope things get better and sorry for the delay.
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Thank you very much again. Please don't apologise for a delay, you are being so kind in doing us this favour while your own circumstances are worse than what most of us have to deal with. I hope you are doing as well as can be.
Your reply is most helpful. In regard to the SN supplier, it's not illegal to have it here and the supplier is a legit supplier of food grade chemicals and products. Since they will investigate, maybe I can leave the CoA for them to find with the remaining SN? It may help for them not to have to dig into my emails or purchase history?
2. Putting details in a note can expedite the investigation process since it can provide a jumping off point. LE would only look into the SN distributor if the substance was illegal or they did not follow proper procedures for distributing it. Here, unless the distributor was in my state then it might be referred to the feds but only if it looked like the didn't follow the law in selling it. Honestly if you got it from somewhere and your not supposed to have it, don't mention them. They may or may not be identified later through a review of your financials or electronic devices.
Here, thanks to FOIA and various open records acts, anything can be requested and viewed by pretty much everyone though it is rarely ever done by anyone outside of the family. Whatever a note says can technically be seen by others if someone requests its but again, its rare. The family actually has no say in the investigation. The matter will be investigated regardless of anyone's wishes to the satisfaction of the investigator heading it.
Thank you very much again. Please don't apologise for a delay, you are being so kind in doing us this favour while your own circumstances are worse than what most of us have to deal with. I hope you are doing as well as can be.
Your reply is most helpful. In regard to the SN supplier, it's not illegal to have it here and the supplier is a legit supplier of food grade chemicals and products. Since they will investigate, maybe I can leave the CoA for them to find with the remaining SN? It may help for them not to have to dig into my emails or purchase history?
+1 on that whole first paragraph!
Don't know for sure, but pretty sure any help on investigation is just kindness at that point. Probably not huge one way or another. Emails/purchases still probably looked at anyways.
Appreciate your warm sentiments, the holidays sucked but atleats about as much as normal lol.
For 12 gauge you can in fact "miss". Again we have a guy here who messed it up and has only 1/3 of a face now. I dealt with a few others that the same thing happened also. There's no "good" method I guess. The 100% methods are generally super messy and the "more convenient to first responders and family" is generally not assured. For a method though, I have seen a bunch of different ones where people died and others where they didnt so its kind of a toss up question for me. For any method, anything can go wrong same as everything can go right.
Lol no one would care about pirated games or music. If anything we might just look to see where you got it and then use the same site ourselves. Yes I priated things as a cop....no I never arrested anyone for pirating. When I say illegal I am referring 99% of the time to underage porn.
Anyhoo, hope things get better and sorry for the delay.
Sorry ya had to see what you saw (I've only seen bullet wounds through video. Lol)
But sounds like it lines up with all the deep research I've done that shotguns are mainly about avoiding the face vs brain thing.
Actually ended up with a 14in barrel "not technically" shotty, so it can be legally sold that short. Turns out won't even fit in my mouth but awesomely short enough that side of the head is easy. So 3in 00 buckshot slug basically anywhere around an ear, maybe even in it. Perpendicularly aimed.
Plus out in a tent in a far away place (likely a sign/letter on the other side of the tent) with a bunch of aspirin having been taken to help bleeding.
So yeah, fuck it, messy. But should be I think as close to that 100% as possible.
Lol and cool to hear that like back in the DVD days, woulda just been lending/sharing shit!
Damn, but good reminder that people can be born with something like minor attraction and EVEN THEN, even if being able to get to the bravery and everything else needed for it... Still wouldn't be allowed to ctb. Our society would rather lock them up there with you.
Your term being another example. Like we can force people into even slave prison labor, paid for corporations, for LIFE. Without even giving an option of choice of death. Plenty of behavior and trauma caused by REASONS. Caused by our systems/people/world, resulting in the various reasons y'all are locked up. But na, it's easiest to blame y'all who end up on that side of the bars. Judgement of individuals...
But just like a video I watched, we just seem to have aspects like greed, hurting others, etc. just like primates.
Need to WORK and FIGHT to survive like all animals.
That's why unfortunately, nothing really to get better for me.
I've learned/seen too much not just of humanity, but basically the terms of existence.
I think I ended up basically antinatalist, even if I don't want to push anyone in any direction
As both of us that chose a "helping" profession, and hell, you even kinda fulfilling that roll here and now.
Like you, I've seen the patterns here on sasu. Personal aspects/factors that could hypothetically get better.
I only wish I could give back to everyone else the happiness, love, completion, etc. I got to experience.
I'm fortunately closer to "top of my game" and now just can feel fear, seeing there is only different steepnesses/angles of down from here. Everything from paying costs of living to having that shotty taken away or somehow being unable to use it.
So I give thanks, but have been done. Not wanting rewards/pros/positives - Just wanting/needing to avoid punishment/cons/negatives.
For now I've just been sticking around for others, and that damn habituation/survival instinct shit...
Thank you for the awesome thread! Very enlightening and informative, and your time and effort is very much appreciated!
Question:
From the first responder's point of view: Is it possible to make SN death appear as natural sudden death so not to trigger investigation and autopsy?
For example, if I am found at home in my bed, no physical evidence of my intent to CTB next to me or anywhere in the house, security system will be on from the night before, other family members are in another town, I am of age when people just *might* die of the natural causes (stroke, MI, pulmonary embolism) - in circumstances like that, can it be ruled out as natural death? Is it even worth it to attempt to make it look as such, or sudden death = investigation -> autopsy, no matter what, so might as well leave the note and container next to me so they won't have to guess?
Also: does it help to have a history of untreated medical condition that can possibly cause major health event, and a medical professional SO who knows about it?
Genuinely…….how fucking irritating. But it doesn't scare me. I'm gone. I don't exist. Meaning I don't care. Do you know anything about suicide effecting life insurance? Only thing I'm concerned with.
Genuinely…….how fucking irritating. But it doesn't scare me. I'm gone. I don't exist. Meaning I don't care. Do you know anything about suicide effecting life insurance? Only thing I'm concerned with.
This is such a thoughtful thread. When I think about my plans I want to minimize the harm as much as I possibly can. Thank you so much for the detailed info!!
Yeah I've seen attorney advertisements where life insurance did NOT want to pay out the beneficiaries and lawyers had to step in. After 2. Years it SHOULD be fine. Literally just why does every thing want to capitalize everything and make everything so vile, evil, demonic and complicated.
Thank you for the awesome thread! Very enlightening and informative, and your time and effort is very much appreciated!
Question:
From the first responder's point of view: Is it possible to make SN death appear as natural sudden death so not to trigger investigation and autopsy?
For example, if I am found at home in my bed, no physical evidence of my intent to CTB next to me or anywhere in the house, security system will be on from the night before, other family members are in another town, I am of age when people just *might* die of the natural causes (stroke, MI, pulmonary embolism) - in circumstances like that, can it be ruled out as natural death? Is it even worth it to attempt to make it look as such, or sudden death = investigation -> autopsy, no matter what, so might as well leave the note and container next to me so they won't have to guess?
Also: does it help to have a history of untreated medical condition that can possibly cause major health event, and a medical professional SO who knows about it?
In the US there's very few ways to not have an autopsy done. Almost everywhere a sudden death of someone healthy and not under intensive medical care (i.e. in a hospital/hospice) it is require and nothing can be done, natural looking or not. Its just the way it is and unless there's a court order, no way around it.
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