Ketamine - Yea or Nay?

[Celerity]

Hey guys and gals, I just saw an ad for a company called Mindbloom. Idk how tf this could be legal, but they're advertising 6 at-home ketamine infusions over 3 months for $1,157.

Does ketamine help? Is the price reasonable? How much does insurance typically pick up? I have some.

 

[Pookie]

Some people swear by it and others say it doesn't work at all.

What will you be using it for?

 

[Celerity]

Some people swear by it and others say it doesn't work at all.

What will you be using it for?

Idk. Treatment-resistant depression?

 

[Pookie]

Idk. Treatment-resistant depression?

Some people use it for chronic pain also, and again, it works for some but not for others.

I suppose it's worth a try to see how you respond to it, but it's not exactly cheap as I'm sure you're aware. Then again I've seen courses of ketamine infusions that are way more expensive than the one you mentioned.

They're also now looking into micro-dosing psilocybin for depression (the same substance found in "magic mushrooms") which they aim to make available in a nasal spray form. When this will become available, or if it even will become available, remains to be seen.

I've always been interested in alternative substances because I can't take antidepressants due to the side-effects I get from them.

I've tried ketamine recreationally in my "wild days" and all I can say is that it gave me a very strange vibe, so I can't be sure what it'll do to me if I had to use it for depression in a clinical setting.

 

[xkidx]

sometimes i snort it but i have never injected it, if you inject it it should be alot more potent, it definitely gives an anti depressant effect on me

 

[western_heart]

Ketamine is basically keeping me alive. It's a life-saving drug. Without it I would be actively planning to CTB (I was doing so until my SO bumped up my dose/frequency). I take it at home using research chemical analogues I got from online but if you can afford the infusions & the provider has good reviews I would recommend it.

$1157 for six at-home infusions?? Like, someone comes to you to administer the drug intravenously? That seems like a really good price. six doses spaced out over three months might be a long time depending on how you respond, I need it at least once a week.

r/TherapeuticKetamine is a good reddit for discussing clinical ketamine use, they don't allow discussion of DIY treatment though so I don't post on there. I don't like spaces that are too gatekeepy. IMO clinical ketamine treatment can be a grift sometimes, the cost of one treatment buys a lot of street K, and that sub isn't the place to challenge that.

 

[Celerity]

Ketamine is basically keeping me alive. It's a life-saving drug. Without it I would be actively planning to CTB (I was doing so until my SO bumped up my dose/frequency). I take it at home using research chemical analogues I got from online but if you can afford the infusions & the provider has good reviews I would recommend it.

$1157 for six at-home infusions?? Like, someone comes to you to administer the drug intravenously? That seems like a really good price. six doses spaced out over three months might be a long time depending on how you respond, I need it at least once a week.

r/TherapeuticKetamine is a good reddit for discussing clinical ketamine use, they don't allow discussion of DIY treatment though so I don't post on there. I don't like spaces that are too gatekeepy. IMO clinical ketamine treatment can be a grift sometimes, the cost of one treatment buys a lot of street K, and that sub isn't the place to challenge that.

It looks like I misunderstood their listing. Looks like they give you tablets? Idk if that's as effective.

 

[MYStERY_Man]

According to PsychonautWiki, sublingual K is about half as effective as insufflated and about a quarter as effective as intramuscular. Actual effects would depend on the dosage.

Mindbloom says insurance won't cover it.

In the US you could try Spravato, which is more expensive, but I assume would be covered.

 

[Cherry Crumpet]

I looked into prescription ketamine... and it looks like there's a nasal spray, but it's $500 - $890 per dose.. and you need 8 doses in the first month?! that's 7 fucking thousand dollars.

Well -> fuck my mental health. Back to the ineffective shit.

 

[Celerity]

I looked into prescription ketamine... and it looks like there's a nasal spray, but it's $500 - $890 per dose.. and you need 8 doses in the first month?! that's 7 fucking thousand dollars.

Well -> fuck my mental health. Back to the ineffective shit.

Jesus Christ...On the plus side, it will probably turn out to be bunk just like every other psychiatric treatment ever conceived.

 

[Cherry Crumpet]

Jesus Christ...On the plus side, it will probably turn out to be bunk just like every other psychiatric treatment ever conceived.

I freaking hope so. It's so sick... like, here's a treatment that's for people that don't fucking respond to anti-depressants, and it works spurprisingly well. AND it's legal and prescribed. But SURPRISE -> it'll cost you 7k ! This country is fucked.

 

[Celerity]

I freaking hope so. It's so sick... like, here's a treatment that's for people that don't fucking respond to anti-depressants, and it works spurprisingly well. AND it's legal and prescribed. But SURPRISE -> it'll cost you 7k ! This country is fucked.

What's funny is that the severely treatment-resistant depressed are more likely to be poor too, so it seems doubly cruel. If you're talking about USA, yep, this country is fucked.

 

[Pookie]

I looked into prescription ketamine... and it looks like there's a nasal spray, but it's $500 - $890 per dose.. and you need 8 doses in the first month?! that's 7 fucking thousand dollars.

Well -> fuck my mental health. Back to the ineffective shit.

$7000! WTF?

 

[Amumu]

I wouldn't do it myself since ketamine should be avoided when you have facial surgeries, which is my case.
Be very careful with that, it can impair recovery afterwards.
Otherwise I don't know, it seems Ketamine is useful in the short-term?

 

[dandan]

Idk, I tried Ketamime like 8 years ago, but I'm the kind of guy who likes drugs, I couldn't restrain myself from using more. Loved it until not, if keeping a lower dose surely could help.

The price, imo it's an awesome business for the sellers, Ketamime is cheap as hell, at least in Mexico, however difficult to obtain due to new drug policies.

I would surely enjoy a microwaved 100mL bottle and would probably last me s week, or weekend but I've been there, no permanent change.

If rightly dose probably that bottle should last a month or more, I suppose tiny amounts are used.

You could also look for psylociblin mushrooms and grow them yourself?

The price of ket, is high but if you can afford it, I would. Hell I've tried everything until I found TRT and Dianabol it's a great boost, plus blood checkups, which I took yesterday. 2out4 blood tests came perfect, today I'll receive next two.

Price: High, depends on your if you need a test, take it .
Best wishes

 

[LittleJem]

It looks like I misunderstood their listing. Looks like they give you tablets? Idk if that's as effective.

It's better absorbed if you snort it rather than in pills. I saw one research paper where K pills were given in old age home, and it helped a large percentage of depressed elderly patients, so there is some research that pills can help. Snorting is better absorbed though. Some of the treatment companies are moving to pills because Covid! So it means it can be administered remotely.
ps, for me it is life-saving and life-changing. 30mg insulfated every other day.

 

[Celerity]

It's better absorbed if you snort it rather than in pills. I saw one research paper where K pills were given in old age home, and it helped a large percentage of depressed elderly patients, so there is some research that pills can help. Snorting is better absorbed though. Some of the treatment companies are moving to pills because Covid! So it means it can be administered remotely.
ps, for me it is life-saving and life-changing. 30mg insulfated every other day.

So are you currently undergoing treatment, or did you complete a course? I am just skeptical about the effectiveness long term if you stop taking it.

 

[dandan]

It's better absorbed if you snort it rather than in pills. I saw one research paper where K pills were given in old age home, and it helped a large percentage of depressed elderly patients, so there is some research that pills can help. Snorting is better absorbed though. Some of the treatment companies are moving to pills because Covid! So it means it can be administered remotely.
ps, for me it is life-saving and life-changing. 30mg insulfated every other day.

Really would you considered it life saving? 30mg? That's a small dose, can you restrain yourself from a higher dose?

How long have you been using it?

 

[fly away]

I tried Ketamine for Treatment resistant depression approx. 5 yrs ago. I went to a psychopharmacologist who had been involved in some clinical trials. Bottom line, after 8 treatments at $2,000 USD a treatment, I felt that I had just thrown away a lot of money.
A month later, I noticed the doctor had just bought a brand new Tesla.

 

[Celerity]

I tried Ketamine for Treatment resistant depression approx. 5 yrs ago. I went to a psychopharmacologist who had been involved in some clinical trials. Bottom line, after 8 treatments at $2,000 USD a treatment, I felt that I had just thrown away a lot of money.
A month later, I noticed the doctor had just bought a brand new Tesla.

Goddamn, I'm sorry. Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

[dandan]

I tried Ketamine for Treatment resistant depression approx. 5 yrs ago. I went to a psychopharmacologist who had been involved in some clinical trials. Bottom line, after 8 treatments at $2,000 USD a treatment, I felt that I had just thrown away a lot of money.
A month later, I noticed the doctor had just bought a brand new Tesla.

I'm not sure if I should laugh or get mad at. Specially Ketamine being so cheap.

 

[Celerity]

I'm not sure if I should laugh or get mad at. Specially Ketamine being so cheap.

Cheap off the street? Medical always adds a huge markup. Doctors have to use drugs too, my guy!

 

[fly away]

I'm not sure if I should laugh or get mad at. Specially Ketamine being so cheap.

I was mad and laughing at the same time.

 

[LittleJem]

Really would you considered it life saving? 30mg? That's a small dose, can you restrain yourself from a higher dose?

How long have you been using it?

yes, absolutely life-saving. I am waking up without suicidal ideation for the first time in my adult life. I was in tears all day long, tortured morning to evening, before this Ketamine protocol. I told my family to say goodbye to me, I was pretty decided to die (I have my exit kit too at the ready...).

I don't personally have any desire to take a higher dose. However, I don't have that kind of personality. My addiction is shopping, I've realised it is also quite a serious addiction, but it isn't to any drug or drugs. I use weed edibles as medicine, and psilocybin and LSD, but am not addicted to any of them. I'd give them all up if I could be happy sober. I was sober for a day or two following starting this strict protocol which is really great. But because of some life stress at the moment, I stopped following it strictly and went to weed again. I will give it a try properly soon hopefully. It's because it tells you to give up weed to do it! Which I did for a day, and I was happy sober. It was quite amazing:



Saying that, I do love weed. The psilocybin and LSD I would happily give up.

Ketamine is something you would need to use with self-control for sure. I don't have any desire to take more of it - so it's not something I need to control if that makes sense? I am using it as medicine and that low dose is the dose.

I am somewhat interested in experiencing a higher dose/the K-hole, but also nervous of it - and not doing it anytime soon. I have never lost my ego on any drug I have been on. Apparently, losing your ego is a good thing ;) But it scares the shit out of me.

In small doses, it is safe. But addiction you probably know leads to bladder problems.

I've been using it for maybe a month or two. I do use other drugs though too, but it is Ketamine that has made the difference. Before that, there was no escape from my desire to end my life and my misery. Now, I am dating again, I can walk down the street, I can get out of bed, I can do the washing up. My life is born again. No overstatement.

So are you currently undergoing treatment, or did you complete a course? I am just skeptical about the effectiveness long term if you stop taking it.

@Celerity it's not a cure, it's a treatment. So it is not effective long term if the treatment isn't maintained. It is a treatment that needs to be maintained at a protocol. For those it works for, it is a life-changing, life-saving treatment. I can't recommend it highly enough.

 

[dandan]

yes, absolutely life-saving. I am waking up without suicidal ideation for the first time in my adult life. I was in tears all day long, tortured morning to evening, before this Ketamine protocol. I told my family to say goodbye to me, I was pretty decided to die (I have my exit kit too at the ready...).

I don't personally have any desire to take a higher dose. However, I don't have that kind of personality. My addiction is shopping, I've realised it is also quite a serious addiction, but it isn't to any drug or drugs. I use weed edibles as medicine, and psilocybin and LSD, but am not addicted to any of them. I'd give them all up if I could be happy sober. I was sober for a day or two following starting this strict protocol which is really great. But because of some life stress at the moment, I stopped following it strictly and went to weed again. I will give it a try properly soon hopefully. It's because it tells you to give up weed to do it! Which I did for a day, and I was happy sober. It was quite amazing:



Saying that, I do love weed. The psilocybin and LSD I would happily give up.

Ketamine is something you would need to use with self-control for sure. I don't have any desire to take more of it - so it's not something I need to control if that makes sense? I am using it as medicine and that low dose is the dose.

I am somewhat interested in experiencing a higher dose/the K-hole, but also nervous of it - and not doing it anytime soon. I have never lost my ego on any drug I have been on. Apparently, losing your ego is a good thing ;) But it scares the shit out of me.

In small doses, it is safe. But addiction you probably know leads to bladder problems.

I've been using it for maybe a month or two. I do use other drugs though too, but it is Ketamine that has made the difference. Before that, there was no escape from my desire to end my life and my misery. Now, I am dating again, I can walk down the street, I can get out of bed, I can do the washing up. My life is born again. No overstatement.


@Celerity it's not a cure, it's a treatment. So it is not effective long term if the treatment isn't maintained. It is a treatment that needs to be maintained at a protocol. For those it works for, it is a life-changing, life-saving treatment. I can't recommend it highly enough.

That's so cool, I wish I was nearby and invite you to dinner or something, it's amazing you are going out again. Cheers

 

[Celerity]

yes, absolutely life-saving. I am waking up without suicidal ideation for the first time in my adult life. I was in tears all day long, tortured morning to evening, before this Ketamine protocol. I told my family to say goodbye to me, I was pretty decided to die (I have my exit kit too at the ready...).

I don't personally have any desire to take a higher dose. However, I don't have that kind of personality. My addiction is shopping, I've realised it is also quite a serious addiction, but it isn't to any drug or drugs. I use weed edibles as medicine, and psilocybin and LSD, but am not addicted to any of them. I'd give them all up if I could be happy sober. I was sober for a day or two following starting this strict protocol which is really great. But because of some life stress at the moment, I stopped following it strictly and went to weed again. I will give it a try properly soon hopefully. It's because it tells you to give up weed to do it! Which I did for a day, and I was happy sober. It was quite amazing:



Saying that, I do love weed. The psilocybin and LSD I would happily give up.

Ketamine is something you would need to use with self-control for sure. I don't have any desire to take more of it - so it's not something I need to control if that makes sense? I am using it as medicine and that low dose is the dose.

I am somewhat interested in experiencing a higher dose/the K-hole, but also nervous of it - and not doing it anytime soon. I have never lost my ego on any drug I have been on. Apparently, losing your ego is a good thing ;) But it scares the shit out of me.

In small doses, it is safe. But addiction you probably know leads to bladder problems.

I've been using it for maybe a month or two. I do use other drugs though too, but it is Ketamine that has made the difference. Before that, there was no escape from my desire to end my life and my misery. Now, I am dating again, I can walk down the street, I can get out of bed, I can do the washing up. My life is born again. No overstatement.


@Celerity it's not a cure, it's a treatment. So it is not effective long term if the treatment isn't maintained. It is a treatment that needs to be maintained at a protocol. For those it works for, it is a life-changing, life-saving treatment. I can't recommend it highly enough.

Hm. I can't afford to take it long term, so it doesn't sound like a viable option.

 

[imaloserbaby]

I know every treatment works differently for everyone but just my experience, I was able to get Spravato in the US and it was incredibly expensive and unfortunately didn't help my treatment resistant depression at all. Though I may not be the best judge because "treatment resistant" is kinda an understatement with me, I've failed 24 meds, TMS, ketamine, ECT, 20 years of various therapies. I would certainly recommend trying it if you're able because it definitely works for some, but unfortunately the cost makes it pretty prohibitive for most, at least in the US :(