Discussion “Just because it hurts you doesn’t mean it can be changed.”

[Droso]

This is something I sent to my friend after stating this:

The notion is that if you are stable in who you are, then it is acceptable. But if who you are harms you, then it's disordered and can be changed. I don't agree with it btw.

If something is integral to your nature, but harms you, the mental health industry deems it as disordered and provides treatment. But can that truly be effective? Can you suppress yourself until you are no longer disordered?

A lot of nuance, but in cases of suicide, most of the time it is no. You further alienate yourself from who you are and the rest of society.

 

[DaisiesRegrets]

A very interesting question and thought you're proposing. I've also wondered how much of a person can change before they're virtually unrecognizable from the person they used to be, and whether that's a good thing or not. Wouldn't this just be a different type of death? Or does it not matter as long as your heart is beating?

This sort of thinking has led me to sort of idolize and romanticize the idea of amnesia. A form of death for the person I used to be, while birthing someone who could potentially be better. Someone free of the pain of my memories and past who could still be around for my friends and family.

To answer your question though from my POV, I don't believe it's an effective way for dealing with the "disordered". The idea that you need to change to better fit into the preconceived notions of normality which are upheld by a sort of collective unconsciousness always bothered me. I find it to be very cruel to expect everyone to be held to the same standards when everyone has different upbringings and problems which aren't the result of anything they've done. People aren't created equal sadly, and the thought that you're "disordered" because you weren't born and raised the "correct" way can be very alienating for the "disordered" who can do nothing but be told that something is wrong with them and that they need to work on it and be worked on, and the "ordered" who couldn't ever possibly understand their plights.

 

[Forever Sleep]

A lot of nuance, but in cases of suicide, most of the time it is no. You further alienate yourself from who you are and the rest of society.

I've wondered this myself. Would I still recognise myself without ideation or deep pessimism? Would it ever even feel genuine to feel optimistic?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

What harms you?

To me what harms u is life living .

To me constant unbearable pain or extreme suffering is what harms me . And I want to avoid that

No prolifer or no psychologist can guarantee that tomorrow I won't fall into a trap of constant unbearable pain every second that I can't relieve.

living can harm u or me.

So to me wanting and seeking a guaranteed painless way out of life is me avoiding extreme harm to me.

Nothing could hurt me before I was born.

Why is that pessimistic or mental illness wanting to avoid daily suffering and the threat of extreme torture and excruciating pain?