"It's selfish to jump in front of a train/truck/etc"

[exiled]

Because it is traumatizing to the person/people involved?!

I get it but, tbh, I can't blame the suicidal person either... Ugh I hate when people just instantly jump to blame the person who took their life.

 

[wagner2029]

I think a lot about what it will be like after my death, I'm not referring to life after death, but what it will be like for my aunts, which doesn't make any sense, it doesn't make sense to think about what it will be like after I die

 

[Circles]

Look it's selfish but wtf is wrong with being selfish when one cannot continue with the pain of living? Nevermind the likelihood of failure with such methods or the morality of it, people wouldn't resort to those methods if it society wasn't so hell bent on forcing people to live against their will. I truly do feel sorry for those that have to be involved involuntarily especially if they develop ptsd and such, but for some people society leaves you no choice.

 

[Scythe]

I doubt whatever pain someone jumping the train will cause to individuals will be greater than their suffering that caused them to jump. I wouldn't really call it selfish either, at most inconsiderate.

 

[sanction]

I doubt whatever pain someone jumping the train will cause to individuals will be greater than their suffering that caused them to jump. I wouldn't really call it selfish either, at most inconsiderate.

Yeah, inconsiderate is the right word

Because whoever is driving the train, will be traumatized for life. It could be 20 years after the incident, but that image of it happening probably still haunting them from time to time. May have nightmares of it occasionally throughout the future years

Will also need to go to police station to fill reports, news/ media outlets wanting to interview the driver, potentially see therapist for the years to come, maybe go on medication, etc. They will probably change careers too, don't want to ride on trains anymore, and even during their regular daily driving & commute, they become paranoid every time there is a human crossing in front of their car

It could be over in a split second for the person that CTB. But for the innocent driver, may be affected for life. Could cause them to become suicidal too. Just a lot of potential life-long traumatizing

 

[Forever Sleep]

I guess there are lots of ways of looking at it.

That person was utterly desperate. They must have been suffering deeply- so- they surely deserve sympathy for that.

Their choices were likely limited. Given access to a reliable method that didn't traumatise someone- chances are, they would have chosen that I imagine. So, perhaps to some extent, their hand was forced.

On the other hand though, there are still methods available that cause less trauma to others. They could have chosen them.

I guess the main things that trouble me are: It's indiscriminate as to who it hurts or traumatises. I get the impression say in the death by cop method- people are just assuming it's going to be some trigger happy sadist that turns up and enjoys shooting them. It could just as easily be someone who never gets over it. They may even suicide themselves if they can't cope with it.

Plus, I suppose it's this idea that it perpetuates misery. I think there's sometimes (likely justifiably) this feeling that- the world and people in it have shit on me, so I'm going to do the same back. It's that kind of thinking though that has contributed to us feeling like we do. I suppose, in our final act, I feel like it's great if we are able to take the higher ground- if we can. Our suicides are going to most likely be negatively impactful as it is. There are things we can do to make it easier for people. Maybe they don't deserve it but maybe some do.

 

[Meteora]

Because it is traumatizing to the person/people involved?!

I get it but, tbh, I can't blame the suicidal person either... Ugh I hate when people just instantly jump to blame the person who took their life.

I ve heard this so many times, especially about engineers since in my country there's many people killing themselves on the railway. Honestly, it's impossible to discuss it with people. I get so freaking angry because people seem incapable of understanding the desperation a person must have to kill himself (that way).
Sadly, I guess that is why we're here....

 

[Neowise]

Technically, many ways to cbt can be traumatising. Killing yourself in a hotel? The staff will find your body. Jumping? People may watch you and see your body laying on the pavement. Cutting or shooting yourself? Your landlord will have to deal with the blood stains and the knowledge that someone died in his appartment. Hanging in the woods? Some innocent soul searching for mushrooms will find your corpse instead.

Ok, the difference is that train and truck drivers are the ones directly involved and passively killing someone which may make it more traumatising. But hey - as the pro-lifers like to say - they can just to go therapy, fix their problems and live a happy life afterwards again. It's that simple!

 

[onyx559]

I jumped in front of a train and while in the hospital I checked twitter to see if anyone posted stuff and I saw a few people complaining about how the train stopped for hours and that traffic was getting backed up, they just want to go home and honestly…sucks to suck you getting home a little late is not comparable to someone hating life so much they tried to kill themself

 

[divinemistress36]

I jumped in front of a train and while in the hospital I checked twitter to see if anyone posted stuff and I saw a few people complaining about how the train stopped for hours and that traffic was getting backed up, they just want to go home and honestly…sucks to suck you getting home a little late is not comparable to someone hating life so much they tried to kill themself

Wow how much damage did that do to you?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Traumatizing other is questionable but I also understand that the pain of living can be excruciating leading someone to make such a tough decision when there're no other methods available.

The only way I c this method being successful is if you can make yourself placing your neck on the train tracks to be decapitated by the wheel itself - this is probably a hard task to stay in this position and it still traumatizes the driver and others but it's a sure thing for you.

 

[onyx559]

Wow how much damage did that do to you?

Left with titanium rods in my leg and arm and was granted a 2 week stay in the psychward

 

[divinemistress36]

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Left with titanium rods in my leg and arm and was granted a 2 week stay in the psychward

Holy shit . Are you in a lot of pain all the time?

 

[OldDrummer]

There was a train driver near me who had a 'jumper'. The person died and the driver took a few months leave as the incident left him with PTSD.

When the train driver went back to work, a plastic bag hit his windscreen and it caused him to have a heart attack out of shock. He died a few days later.

 

[lixt]

We have to look at both sides. If you are unable to die from anymore method, trains can see like the only solution. Unfortunately, it is not ideal due to the trauma we give to the conductor of the train/car/truck/bus/etc.

If you only have one way to solve an issue, even if it touches in the lives of other people, it is not entirely selfish.

On the other hand, even jumping from a high place is traumatizing for the people who watch you jump, to those who find you and to the emergency services who will clean the spot, try to revive you, etc. So, the argument of "die by another method because jumping in from of a moving vehicle is traumatizing" doesn't seem valid to me.

 

[The Schizoid]

I think jumping in front of traffic is way worse because it could cause a big car crash that could kill or injure many people

The only thing you're damaging potentially with a train is the mental health of the driver, and it will not cause a crash or kill anyone.

 

[RemainingDubious]

as the pro-lifers like to say - they can just to go therapy, fix their problems and live a happy life afterwards again. It's that simple!

It really is that simple especially if they have a wonderful support network that encourages them to "stay strong"

 

[FuneralCry]

No, it's selfish to so harmfully procreate in the first place despite the fact that existence is nothing but suffering and deny people the option of a peaceful, guaranteed way to cease existing on their own terms.

I cannot stand the pro-lifers who complain about people using methods like that even know other people's personal decisions are literally none of their business they are so insensitive. It's such an evil world where people have no other options to ctb than brutal methods like that, all humans should have the option to die peacefully.

To me it will always be unacceptable complaing about suffering people ctb in such ways, it disgusts me how pro-lifers make it all about the driver when there is the absence of a peaceful, reliable way to cease existing for all.

 

[breezeboy]

"YOu mIGhT tRaUmaTIzE SoMEoNe" is some pro-life garbage

 

[LifeIsCrazyNemb]

It doesnt make sense to harm others in your CTB attempt, unless you are a fucking evil person.

 

[onyx559]

Holy shit . Are you in a lot of pain all the time?

Not really tbh, this happened sept 2022 so I've had some time to heal. My leg hurts when it's too cold because of the rod and when I try to do squats but other than that I feel fine.

 

[lament.]

Personally I do think it's selfish to die like that, but what other ways AREN'T selfish? Someone is going to find your body eventually, and whether or not that majorly negatively effects them or if they feel responsible for your death is not something you can really control. There are of course "cleaner" ways to die than jumping in front of a train but if you have the guts to do it then I can't help but respect that.

 

[UKscotty]

Very selfish and never acceptable.

Traumatising someone else is never OK.

There are so many quick and peaceful ways to CTB, there is never an excuse to give someone else PTSD or worse. No one needs to see a mangled up corpse.

 

[Final_Choice]

Funny part is that even if you do it by yourself and not directly in view/proximity of others most people still consider it a selfish thing to do.

 

[sserafim]

I think that is selfish (more like inconsiderate) though because you could cause injury to other people as well, and people could get PTSD from it, but I understand why someone would resort to it. I knew a guy who ctb by jumping in front of a train. I think the best method is one where other people won't see, be involved or be harmed. The best method is one done in private rather than public imo.

 

[Final_Choice]

I think that is selfish though because you could cause injury to other people as well, and people could get PTSD from it. I think the best method is one where other people won't see, be involved or be harmed. The best method is one done in private rather than public imo.

To add to this some people's reason to CTB could be due to CPTSD which something like this could cause someone to desire to CTB even if they enjoyed life before, causing a meaningless chain reaction.

 

[LifeIsCrazyNemb]

I think that is selfish though because you could cause injury to other people as well, and people could get PTSD from it. I think the best method is one where other people won't see, be involved or be harmed. The best method is one done in private rather than public imo.

Given that, whats your opinion about CTBing in a hotel room?

 

[TheSpookyNameGuy]

Nope, the more people you traumatise, the more that wake up to reality.

I find it beautiful in a way, seeing the gears turning behind those frazzled blue light addicted eyes.

You can see it positive, it's your mind.

 

[sserafim]

Given that, whats your opinion about CTBing in a hotel room?

I'm actually not sure. I think it would be better to ctb at home, but I can see why someone would do it in a hotel room. Someone from my college ctb in her dorm room and another girl jumped off of a bridge. I think that jumping off of a bridge would be acceptable if nobody sees or is in the water below.

 

[divinemistress36]

Not really tbh, this happened sept 2022 so I've had some time to heal. My leg hurts when it's too cold because of the rod and when I try to do squats but other than that I feel fine.

Do you still want to ctb?