Venting It’s disgusting to insist that suicidal people need “help”

[FuneralCry]

I despise those hollow, empty insulting words said by pro-lifers who love prolonging the suffering of others, It's sad how so many lack the awareness to accept that the true problem lies in existence itself. Only having the option to die in peace would help me, there's no value in being tormented in this futile, meaningless existence, there's no point to this undesirable existence. It's disgusting when they act like people need "help" all because they simply want to choose when they die and for me suicide is all that feels rational.

Existence was never something desirable in the first place, I'd always prefer to permanently not exist than to suffer for decades on end just to die a slow, painful death from old age. It really is cult like the way that so many worship the abomination that is existence and force this onto others, it's unacceptable how pro-lifers insult those who want to die in such a way.

 

[noname223]

I despise those hollow, empty insulting words said by pro-lifers who love prolonging the suffering of others, It's sad how so many lack the awareness to accept that the true problem lies in existence itself. Only having the option to die in peace would help me, there's no value in being tormented in this futile, meaningless existence, there's no point to this undesirable existence. It's disgusting when they act like people need "help" all because they simply want to choose when they die and for me suicide is all that feels rational.

Existence was never something desirable in the first place, I'd always prefer to permanently not exist than to suffer for decades on end just to die a slow, painful death from old age. It really is cult like the way that so many worship the abomination that is existence and force this onto others, it's unacceptable how pro-lifers insult those who want to die in such a way.

Based on your past posts I am really surprised by this one. I always thought you liked the idea to help suicidal people with methods so that they kill themselves immediately in a straightforward way.

On a serious note: I think many (not all) suicidal people would like to get help. By getting more money, a house to live in, a support system, a loving family, friends and much more help. I think many of them would also like to try therapy and medication (if the psychiatry/therapy system were improved). I think it is good to offer people good options. The only thing that you want to offer is free death for anyone.

 

[Helween]

You can't expect them to fully understand your view if you don't understand theirs as well, this is this and that is that. I get your point tho.

 

[thenamingofcats]

But remember, a lot of suicidal people actually do want help. It's not unusual for people to present themselves to the ER because they're afraid they will follow through with it.

 

[momento.mori]

Based on your past posts I am really surprised by this one. I always thought you liked the idea to help suicidal people with methods so that they kill themselves immediately in a straightforward way.

On a serious note: I think many (not all) suicidal people would like to get help. By getting more money, a house to live in, a support system, a loving family, friends and much more help. I think many of them would also like to try therapy and medication (if the psychiatry/therapy system was improved). I think it is good to offer people good options. The only thing that you want to offer is free death for anyone.

I agree most suicidal people want help and want to continue living, if they had the necessary means and support to keep on living. Suicide to me is the only option left when you have depleted everything and see no other way out. If I had options, I'd still want to live. So I definitely agree with you there.
Can I ask what are you reading or watching that is pro-life? I don't entertain or listen to what they have to say because I'll never convince them that suicide is the right way and they'll never convince me a life a misery and pain is what life should be. Unfortunately, we are outnumbered by pro-lifers and the truth is we are stuck her unless we ctb and even if we ctb there's no guarantee and it's usually a horrible and painful death. Have you seen the documentary, The Bridge?" I think you should watch it and the people being interviewed are just like us and their responses are shocking. I'm sorry you are stuck here in overwhelming pain, I'm sorry we all are. If venting makes you feel better then continue doing it but there's not 1 pro- lifer stopping you from eternal sleep let's be
honest. I think maybe if suicide was acceptable then you would go, nobody is stopping you. Of course I'm not suggesting you go kill yourself but you can't dislike people for their views are beliefs, everyone don't know your story.

 

[yeh it's all gucci]

If venting makes you feel better then continue doing it but there's not 1 pro- lifer stopping you from eternal sleep let's beh onest. I think maybe if suicide was acceptable then you would go, nobody is stopping you.

She will only end her life in a painless and peaceful way and she believes all the pro-lifers are preventing her doing this and trapping her in her tormented existence by not allowing barbiturates to be bought at the local supermarket like a chicken dinner whenever someone has the slightest suicidal thought.

 

[momento.mori]

She will only end her life in a painless and peaceful way and she believes all the pro-lifers are preventing her doing this and trapping her in her tormented existence by not allowing barbiturates to be bought at the local supermarket like a chicken dinner whenever someone has the slightest suicidal thought.

That's not a true reality! This society would never allow such a thing. Existing is terrible I agree, but we all have to do it until our time. Thanks for explaining

 

[Dark Moon]

Even if I did get the help and support that I needed it's not like I fit into and pass society anyway. I'd just choose to leave this world.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Exactly. I don't need help to live. I need a peaceful way to die. Why would I want to live in an existence that isn't even meant for me to begin with?

 

[sserafim]

Even if I did get the help and support that I needed it's not like I fit into and pass society anyway. I'd just choose to leave this world.

Same. I'm at the point of no return. I'm a lost cause because I just wasn't built or meant for this world. Other people's circumstances might improve if they got help though

Exactly. I don't need help to live. I need a peaceful way to die. Why would I want to live in an existence that isn't even meant for me to begin with?

Literally

 

[Jorms_McGander]

That's not a true reality! This society would never allow such a thing. Existing is terrible I agree, but we all have to do it until our time. Thanks for explaining

Absolutely not. I am not obligated to exist "until my time": I am comprised of abiotic materials which have been stolen from the unconscious universe in order to be tortured by some joke of a zero-sum existence in which I am no different from the gazelle or the crocodile which tears it in half while still alive.

That's your "natural order", your beloved "existence". It's not a requirement of sanity that a person consent to play a role. The idea of reducing mortal desires to the point of death isn't new. It's just new to the west. New to you.

Absolutely not. I am not obligated to exist "until my time": I am comprised of abiotic materials which have been stolen from the unconscious universe in order to be tortured by some joke of a zero-sum existence in which I am no different from the gazelle or the crocodile which tears it in half while still alive.

That's your "natural order", your beloved "existence". It's not a requirement of sanity that a person consent to play a role. The idea of reducing mortal desires to the point of death isn't new. It's just new to the west. New to you.

Furthermore the greatest efforts of life have never and will never defeat the inexorable plodding of entropy, so by the laws of existence themselves life will be the ultimate loser to silence and tranquility.

 

[momento.mori]

I get it, some don't agree with my post and that's perfectly fine to disagree. Everyone keeps saying they don't have to exist, well why are you here? Why do you continue to keep existing? As my post stated all we can do is continue to exist in this cruel world and if you don't believe that's true then please explain why are you people still here? It seems my post was accurate and true

 

[AllMyDreams]

I despise those hollow, empty insulting words said by pro-lifers who love prolonging the suffering of others, It's sad how so many lack the awareness to accept that the true problem lies in existence itself. Only having the option to die in peace would help me, there's no value in being tormented in this futile, meaningless existence, there's no point to this undesirable existence. It's disgusting when they act like people need "help" all because they simply want to choose when they die and for me suicide is all that feels rational.

Existence was never something desirable in the first place, I'd always prefer to permanently not exist than to suffer for decades on end just to die a slow, painful death from old age. It really is cult like the way that so many worship the abomination that is existence and force this onto others, it's unacceptable how pro-lifers insult those who want to die in such a way.

As someone who strongly supports the right to die for adults and someone who has wanted to CTB for most of my adult life, that is an irresponsible thing to say.

A lot of suicidal people actually can actually improve their lives if they receive help.

What's unacceptable is people saying that those who have tried, and who don't have any prospect of getting better, have to keep living against their will because religion or morals or whatever BS

 

[SilentSadness]

I agree. It's cruel to insist over and over again that suicidal people are troubled and in need of help. Especially when that "help" is human rights violations, if anything.

 

[Hotsackage]

Some would like a life, and the prolifers lack context. They haven't been in our shoes, and if they were im sure they'd share some of our views on existence