Its all a fucking myth!

[Shamana]

Sorry. That would be giving away who I am. I don't want people to know who I am to respect that privacy. I have to put on a particular for the outside world to see. I like my anonymity here. And thankfully, the mods and forum members here who know who I am protect that.

You could send me a PM ;)

 

[Jean4]

You could send me a PM ;)

Sorry. I like my anonymity.

 

[Shamana]

Sorry. I like my anonymity.

Ok. But how can you disagree with with Whitaker and/or Gøetzche if you havent read or seen their work?

 

[Jean4]

Ok. But how can you disagree with with Whitaker and/or Gøetzche if you havent read or seen their work?

I don't think you understand what I am saying.
1. I know him personally
2. We have lectured at the same events
3. I have been in a friendly competition with him for many years.

I don't need to see a video. He has also quoted my work.

 

[Shamana]

I don't think you understand what I am saying.
1. I know him personally
2. We have lectured at the same events
3. I have been in a friendly competition with him for many years.

I don't need to see a video. He has also quoted my work.

Ok

 

[OneBigBlur]

I'd recommend reading the Myth of Mental Illness by Thomas Szasz and some of his other works. The mental health industry is mostly about money and control, not helping people. The imaginary labels placed upon people cause a great deal of harm and stigma. Telling someone that they have a imaginary disease that is a product of a "chemical imbalance" rather than symptoms that are a product of adversity is an absolute joke.

"If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia"
― Thomas S. Szasz

"Classifying thoughts, feelings and behaviors as diseases is a logical and semantic error, like classifying whale as fish."
― Thomas Szasz

 

[Never Free]

Sorry. That would be giving away who I am. I don't want people to know who I am to respect that privacy. I have to put on a particular for the outside world to see. I like my anonymity here. And thankfully, the mods and forum members here who know who I am protect that.

I have not seen the video you posted. We have lectured at the same events.

This makes sense why you wouldn't, but you faulted me for not quoting your work. Seems suspect. Also one of your arguments is the stuff you claim you have access to but the public doesn't. As is you talking about your supposed competitions with Whitaker. Hard to confirm. Not impossible though if he did. So I find it odd you'd potentially drop hints. Would you at least be more specific on what imbalance causes MI and an example of people who share this view one could look up? I don't see his view as narrow at all. He very much focuses on the facts though. Hence there's no basis for chemical imbalance. Hence APA recognizes no chemical imbalance. The thing with being anonymous all we have is your word. It's not like real life where you can lean on you work when you've not shown it. Granted I'm not sure why you can describe all these details but draw the line at giving us anything of substance. You especially ca'n't lean on your claimed expertise.

Ok

We've not heard your work so that's why you'd need to give us a descriptor to conciser. Many of us have had experiences a long with read studies and listened to those who've researched. All you've done is is say stuff is wrong, or incomplete ect. Then stated you've done research that's disproved it. You know from experience it's not true. You've talked to said person. There is no known biological cause to psychosis/ mi. It's officially stated. Many of us read the official up to date information, and experienced the subjective process. You say you know you have a chemical imbalance based on experience. I don't know how you could without a lab test pre taking pharmaceuticals. Have you? You've still not answered.

 

[Never Free]

I don't disagree with you - let me start off by saying that.

However, medically speaking there is so very much we still don't fully understand about the human body; medical science is really only so far. We believe that serotonin (or lack there of) is mostly responsible for causing depression in people. Because anti depressants add chemicals to your brain and for some people they do work it is easy to say okay.. well that person must not have had enough of those chemicals so they were unbalanced. The evidence for this is actually very weak but it's a significant part of our understanding of depression.

Environmental, genetic and other life factors are likely to contribute but ultimately science doesn't seem to know why some people get clinical depression and some do not. Hopefully medical research will continue to understand and develop useful medications or therapies for people who wish to seek help for it.

I personally take an SSRI and it does help me, I have been very lucky as I know many people have issues with medication but I also am not fully aware of WHY I need this medication. I just know I do.

The serotonin theory is a myth. Depressed people generally have no marked deficiency in serotonin. The drugs in fact are proven to lower serotonin over time, because the brain adapts. The drugs can work by placebo, masking the depression though numbing it, or a sort of euphoria. The serotonin theory is admittedly false and a product of the drug industry. Most serotonin receptors are in the gut anyways. The gut is looking promising in MI

 

[dyingtodie]

I was drugged with Lithium, Neurontin, Risperdol, Prozac, Zoloft, and Wellbutrin in my mid/late teens. Most of those against my will, after an involuntary 8 day hospitalization due to a self injury wound. Some of my most suicidal moments when I was dead set to go through with it came when I was coming off meds or simply missed doses for a day or few days due to forgetting or not caring, so I would never take the risk with these drugs again. I fear they may have done permanent damage. They definitely led to some trippy dream time and may have helped me go deeper into lucid dreaming. They also at times made orgasm seemingly impossible so I gained sexual stamina (not that that's been of much benefit in the last 8 years) ...(Is this cause they don't want the mentally ill to reproduce, that it has this effect?)

Mushrooms are the only antidepressant that has truly helped me...but they have made me more sensitive to life in general. Sights/smells/sounds...so living in a world obsessed with engines has become barely tolerable. Engines are a blasphemy against nature. Against our birthright to peace of mind. We've had free energy for more than a 100 years...there was never a need to burn fossil fuels or have loud engines disturbing all the sentient life around it. I say fuck this shit, I'm out...but maybe if I stay, I can help society come to it's senses...or deal with the aftermath when there's no more oil and people are panicking because they can't get their oil fix, and go into addiction withdrawal.

I've been way more suicidal this week cause I haven't had ripe bananas...seriously. I think they help me produce serotonin cause they have tryptophan? I forget... Anyways... they may be a good medicine for some people. However, unripe bananas contain 'protein resistant starch'...or something, don't quote me...but they can help us have more lucid dream time... Dream space can sometimes be a better/easier place to do inner work when one is too depressed to do stuff in their waking life. Some believe that the dream realm is the 'real reality' and that things have to change here first, before they can change in our illusory waking life. Ramblings of a madman, all of this, I know. Bananas and Mushrooms, what a nutcase I must be. Walnuts are good for the brain too. And hemp seeds have lots of good fats and omegas to help our brain function...especially if you're vegan and don't want to mess with fish oils.
I bet the info on this forum could solve most of the worlds problems, especially if implemented by the good people here. If you're a fellow wanderer please message me! All alone here in neurotypical DumFukistan