Venting It makes my blood boil when I read shit like this!

[StateOfMind]

"Elsewhere, Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio has called for an EU Patriot Act, along the lines of the US law which increased surveillance powers after the 9/11 attacks.

EU Parliament President Antonio Tajani has repeated his call for a European FBI, to co-ordinate the work of police and intelligence services, working in tandem against IS militants."

Vienna attack: Austria admits failing to act on Slovak warning on gunman

Slovakia warned Austria of the gunman's failed attempt to buy bullets, but there was no follow-up.

www.bbc.com

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

Deradicalization programs hardly ever work, imo. I do not find the notion that people can be rehabilitated very convincing. I am glad that Austrian chancellor is saying it how it is, though.

 

[woxihuanni]

Atheist academics from the unlucky parts of the world wonder why it is so hard for them to move to Europe but so easy for sewage to flood it.

I'm pretty sure Europe has an account on SS, since she is clealy suicidal.

 

[Amumu]

Atheist academics from the unlucky parts of the world wonder why it is so hard for them to move to Europe but so easy for sewage to flood it.

I'm pretty sure Europe has an account on SS, since she is clealy suicidal.

As evidenced by the fact that Europe is the continent where fertility rate is the lowest. People seem to be sick with life.

 

[Sensei]

Just to be clear, Europe is not one big nation, but consists of 44 sovereign nations. Of these nations, only 27 are members of the European Union. Portugal and Ukraine and Iceland and Italy are very different nations with very different politics.

 

[woxihuanni]

Wow, I have learnt so many new things! I am as pleased as if I'd just watched japanese porn with tiny, tiny pricks. And women who pretend to be kids, of course, to fulfill their menlets deepest fantasies.

 

[Sensei]

Wow, I have learnt so many new things! I am as pleased as if I'd just watched japanese porn with tiny, tiny pricks. And women who pretend to be kids, of course, to fulfill their menlets deepest fantasies.

You speak of Europe as if it was one nation. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Futile]

Di Maio il bibbitaro napuletano is getting naughty, didn't expect that

But I'm pretty sure Tajani hasn't been president for a while by now

 

[StateOfMind]

Patriot Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not sure how any one feels this can be good idea..

 

[Disappointered]

radicalized jihadists are intentionally fomented and supported by the very people who claim to oppose them, a la 'stay behind'. recently a certain 'state' (that isn't and shouldn't be considered part of europe) even admitted to helping them terrorize Syria. anyone who's truly opposed to 'isis' would have to turn their minds to this reality, otherwise they get what they deserve.

 

[greebo6]

Beware folks....Big Brother might be watching you soon if this Italian guy gets his way !
There's already enough/too much of this kind of thing.
Well ,at least we (U.K) are leaving E.U very soon and won't have anything to do with it.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Europe is not one big nation, but consists of 44 sovereign nations. Of these nations, only 27 are members of the European Union

I would say that those 27 countries have given up most of their sovereignty.
Their domestic policies are pretty much dictated by the european central bank and deutsche bank.

Culturally there is a lot of diversity between european nations, which is why the United States of Europe project can never work.

Elsewhere, Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio has called for an EU Patriot Act, along the lines of the US law which increased surveillance powers after the 9/11 attacks.

They will use any excuse to increase surveillance and control.
Terrorism, viruses, economic busts, it's all about creating fear and uncertainty so people will willingly give up their freedoms and liberties.

Beware folks....Big Brother might be watching you soon if this Italian guy gets his way !
There's already enough/too much of this kind of thing.
Well ,at least we (U.K) are leaving E.U very soon and won't have anything to do with it.

UK is leaving the EU only to enter the CCP.
The UK became an Orwellian surveillance anti-free speech state long ago.

 

[greebo6]

Ironic that eroding/ destroying freedoms is exactly what terrorists have always wanted and tried to do in the first place.
Then governments /politicians go and do it for them anyway.
Doesn't seem logical somehow....

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Ironic that eroding/ destroying freedoms is exactly what terrorists have always wanted and tried to do in the first place.
Then governments /politicians go and do it for them anyway.
Doesn't seem logical somehow....

It's almost as it there's a symbiotic relationship between the terrorism and increased government overreach..

 

[Good4Nothing]

Ironic that eroding/ destroying freedoms is exactly what terrorists have always wanted and tried to do in the first place.
Then governments /politicians go and do it for them anyway.
Doesn't seem logical somehow....

Exactly this! I cannot express how PISSED OFF I was when that goddamned patriot act was passed.

 

[greebo6]

I would say that those 27 countries have given up most of their sovereignty.
Their domestic policies are pretty much dictated by the european central bank and deutsche bank.

Culturally there is a lot of diversity between european nations, which is why the United States of Europe project can never work.

They will use any excuse to increase surveillance and control.
Terrorism, viruses, economic busts, it's all about creating fear and uncertainty so people will willingly give up their freedoms and liberties.

UK is leaving the EU only to enter the CCP.
The UK became an Orwellian surveillance anti-free speech state long ago.

That is true about U.K and excess surveillance. We did indeed sadly.

 

[Sensei]

I would say that those 27 countries have given up most of their sovereignty.
Their domestic policies are pretty much dictated by the european central bank and deutsche bank.

I strongly disagree. There are some common laws and policies, but they are not always easily enforced, and all states are independent when it comes to e.g. taxation, welfare, military, and foreign policy. They also have their own central banks.

Culturally there is a lot of diversity between european nations, which is why the United States of Europe project can never work.

I would never say never, but it's definitely difficult bordering on impossible today.

 

[StuFin]

Deradicalization is political mumbo jumbo IMHO.

It only appears (or is called) "radical" because it's not what we believe.

To those committing these acts it is not radical, it is to them completely sane and fits in perfectly with their beliefs.

So to "deradicalize" someone from our perspective, is to them to change their mind from a sane belief to an insane belief.

As soon as they are back with their peers where they were taught that belief, they will re-acquire it, if they ever truly changed their mind in the first place.

 

[Fragile]

This is a grim reminder that terrorists ALWAYS win, they always get what they want and the innocents that payed the price will be forgotten.

And the fact that so many people are literally defending these heinous acts of terrorism just goes to show how radicalized and beyond out of touch is islam with the modern world.

 

[StateOfMind]

This is a grim reminder that terrorists ALWAYS win, they always get what they want and the innocents that payed the price will be forgotten.

And the fact that so many people are literally defending these heinous acts of terrorism just goes to show how radicalized and beyond out of touch is islam with the modern world.

I agree with the former but not the latter.
We shouldn't blame Islam.
We should blame the people that caused them to become radicalized in the first place.
War and loss because of lucrative multi lateral arms trade and ferocious geopolitics.
Its always the little man that suffers.
As the the old German aphorism goes: "The devil always shits on the biggest pile".
If you have witnessed your country go to shit because of decades of war, watched family and friends die prematurely, what would you do?
Say "Ok that must be fate then.."
No way, I would be pissed!

 

[woxihuanni]

I agree with the former but not the latter.
We shouldn't blame Islam.
We should blame the people that caused them to become radicalized in the first place.
War and loss because of lucrative multi lateral arms trade and ferocious geopolitics.
Its always the little man that suffers.
As the the old German aphorism goes: "The devil always shits on the biggest pile".
If you have witnessed your country go to shit because of decades of war, watched family and friends die prematurely, what would you do?
Say "Ok that must be fate then.."
No way, I would be pissed!

You know fuck all about isl*m.

 

[Good4Nothing]

I agree with the former but not the latter.
We shouldn't blame Islam.
We should blame the people that caused them to become radicalized in the first place.
War and loss because of lucrative multi lateral arms trade and ferocious geopolitics.
Its always the little man that suffers.
As the the old German aphorism goes: "The devil always shits on the biggest pile".
If you have witnessed your country go to shit because of decades of war, watched family and friends die prematurely, what would you do?
Say "Ok that must be fate then.."
No way, I would be pissed!

If anything in a religion's holy book can be interpreted as justifying, condoning, or encouraging violent acts in the name of that religion, then that religion is absolutely to blame.

I despise all religion. It's all backwards nonsense that has no place in the 21st century.

 

[StuFin]

I agree with the former but not the latter.
We shouldn't blame Islam.
We should blame the people that caused them to become radicalized in the first place.
War and loss because of lucrative multi lateral arms trade and ferocious geopolitics.
Its always the little man that suffers.
As the the old German aphorism goes: "The devil always shits on the biggest pile".
If you have witnessed your country go to shit because of decades of war, watched family and friends die prematurely, what would you do?
Say "Ok that must be fate then.."
No way, I would be pissed!

When Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and all the rest start doing the same things I'll agree it isn't just Islam.

But it always is, it's never anyone else, just them.

So I think it entirely fair to point the finger squarely at them and them alone.

 

[StateOfMind]

If anything in a religion's holy book can be interpreted as justifying, condoning, or encouraging violent acts in the name of that religion, then that religion is absolutely to blame.

I despise all religion. It's all backwards nonsense that has no place in the 21st century.

Religion is just the channel that many people in desperation tune into because they they don't want to ctb.
Apart from that I'm sure there are some questionable passages in the old testament too.

 

[StuFin]

Religion is just the channel that many people in desperation tune into because they they don't want to ctb.
Apart from that I'm sure there are some questionable passages in the old testament too.

This is based on what? You're just flapping your tongue and making vague generalisations that you're trying to pass off as fact.

Excusing violence by religious lunatics is like trying to excuse someone who beats up his wife because she'd pushed him to the edge by nagging him.

It's not his fault, he's the victim in all of this and she made him do it.

Seriously, you need a big reality check, because anyone can find a way to claim they were the victim and that's the only reason they did what they did - it was someone elses fault.

 

[StateOfMind]

When Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and all the rest start doing the same things I'll agree it isn't just Islam.

But it always is, it's never anyone else, just them.

So I think it entirely fair to point the finger squarely at them and them alone.

Wow, allot to unpack here.
You frame it as if war induced Islamic radicalism is the only belief system to have emerged throughout time?
Surely you are aware that that is nonsense.

 

[StuFin]

Wow, allot to unpack here.
You frame it as if war induced islamic radicalism is the only belief system to have emerged throughout time?
Surely you are aware that that is nonsnese.

What are you talking about war induced radicalisaton?

The guy in Austria was born and raised in Austria, he didn't experience war or come from a war torn country, they had accepted him and his family and looked after them, and that's how he repaid them.

Also what is radicalisation? Radialised how? By whom? Do you think he thought he was radical?

You're an idiot. Sorry but you are.

 

[woxihuanni]

When Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and all the rest start doing the same things I'll agree it isn't just Islam.

But it always is, it's never anyone else, just them.

So I think it entirely fair to point the finger squarely at them and them alone.

I always defended that isl*m was the most dangerous death cult in the world. My opinion of isl*m never changed for the better. However, in the last year I have figured out b*ddhism is even more dangerous. Isl*m can rape you all it likes, but only b*ddhism can convince you that you deserved it because past life karma.

All in all, if I had to choose between beheading by isis and being gaslighted systematically, just cut my fucking head off.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

What are you talking about war induced radicalisaton?

The guy in Austria was born and raised in Austria, he didn't experience war or come from a war torn country, they had accepted him and his family and looked after them, and that's how he repaid them.

Also what is radicalisation? Radialised how? By whom? Do you think he thought he was radical?

You're an idiot. Sorry but you are.

I agree with everything, except with the claim that he's an idiot. That was uncalled for, imo. A bit misguided regarding this particular topic, maybe, but definitely not an idiot.

Religion is just the channel that many people in desperation tune into because they they don't want to ctb.
Apart from that I'm sure there are some questionable passages in the old testament too.

The difference is, nobody is running over people with trucks or shooting them because of the Old Testament.

 

[Fragile]

I agree with the former but not the latter.
We shouldn't blame Islam.
We should blame the people that caused them to become radicalized in the first place.
War and loss because of lucrative multi lateral arms trade and ferocious geopolitics.
Its always the little man that suffers.
As the the old German aphorism goes: "The devil always shits on the biggest pile".
If you have witnessed your country go to shit because of decades of war, watched family and friends die prematurely, what would you do?
Say "Ok that must be fate then.."
No way, I would be pissed!

quran 2:191 "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them"
quran 9:123 "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood"
quran 8:60 " Mobilize your forces as much as you can to frighten the enemies of God and your own enemies. This also will frighten those who are behind them whom you do not know but God knows well. Whatever you spend for the cause of God, He will give you sufficient recompense with due justice"

And there are, literally, thousands more that can be interpreted in a violent way.

I'm not saying that all muslims are like this, there are many branches of it and many revisions, not to mention that culture also plays a role. But the fact is, this is an extremely strict religion, and the people raised on it are far more likely to get radicalized simply because of the things that their holy text says.