Venting It disgusts me when pro-life people say “get help”

[FuneralCry]

I cannot stand those people and their disgusting delusions that they force onto other people, sorry but existence is the problem, not wanting to die. I hate how they assume their so called "help" is wanted when it wasn't even asked for, pro-life people just create more suffering and even this site isn't free from people saying "get help".

Those hollow, empty words repulse me as the only relief lies in death, existence is the true hell which is why it's insane how so many worship meaningless and unnecessary suffering. Wanting to die is all that makes sense and is all that feels rational which is it's so insulting when pro-lifers just repeat things like that, it's just wrong to insult people in such a way.
If those people really want to hold delusional beliefs then I wish they'd just learn to keep their delusions to themselves.

 

[Seered Doom]

Completely agree. When I ask a pro lifer for an objective good for staying around, they mention family and friends. When I told them I don't have friends and my family looks down at me, they can't say much other than "I'm sorry." What are you sorry for? I don't want an "I'm sorry" if you didn't do anything to me! Are you sorry for such shitty advice? I never understood pro lifers.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Their empty platitudes irritate the hell out of me because they are just repeating the same tired old nonsense as everyone else.
They also have zero concept of what a suicidal person truly feels, not that they really care anyway.
Yet, if they had to live through just one day in the lives of some of the people on this forum then they would soon realise that suicide is a very justifiable concept.

 

[アホペンギン]

They stress to people to get help because they are oblivious as to what is going on around them. They are focused on their own lives, as everyone else is a side character to them but they think these side characters are like chess pieces, all in their control. They are very delusional.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

I've seen "get help" used as an insult, which tells you exactly how most people view it as well. Tbh, I dislike seeing it too.

 

[IfyouareamanWinston]

There is no where to even get help unless you have a big bank acct. It would be insane for people living on the poverty line to risk their basic needs in order to spend money on treatments and therapy that may or may not help them .

 

[tiger b]

I just don't think many people's way of thinking allows for a serious consideration of someone seriously contemplated suicide, and there's definitely self-preservation in that. Maybe that's mixed up with 'wanting to help' and 'doing the right thing' but society doesn't show how to do this in reality. Plus most people just have no idea how feeble and patchy support in reality actually is.

Op has every right to see them as delusional but those that don't seek to understand have even less chance of being understood. It should not be the way of the world that the most vulnerable have to have the most understanding...but I don't see how labelling anyone is helpful.

I can see that many have been on the receiving end of toxic Pro-Life behaviour and thought. It's disgusting. I'm not sticking up for that and never will be - please don't make that mistake. But I worry about perhaps the most marginalised group of all remaining so, simply by alienating all those who actually could help.

Their empty platitudes irritate the hell out of me because they are just repeating the same tired old nonsense as everyone else.
They also have zero concept of what a suicidal person truly feels, not that they really care anyway.
Yet, if they had to live through just one day in the lives of some of the people on this forum then they would soon realise that suicide is a very justifiable concept.

Maybe many do to greater extents than you realise, but are scared to admit it. Maybe.

 

[Seered Doom]

Get help, get therapy, and any sentiment of the like is just an empty platitude when you hear it said so many times.

 

[BLEH:3]

sometimes there is no help, no magic potion or a prince in white armor. and accepting that there is no help is imo the best option

 

[tiger b]

But will politicians, those that suggest the laws, ever admit that? As their fate is bound to promising progress?

Letting people die in peace can be seen by many to say: society is failing. We cannot adequately look after some of our people. Who in power will admit that?

 

[ThisIsLife]

Pro-lifers are NPCs; they are incapable of having an opinion of their own and vomit the same nonsense all over because appearances matter the most.
They can't understand anything suicidal people feel or think, because their own life is BS.

 

[lopsidedcrawdad1]

Their empty platitudes irritate the hell out of me because they are just repeating the same tired old nonsense as everyone else.
They also have zero concept of what a suicidal person truly feels, not that they really care anyway.
Yet, if they had to live through just one day in the lives of some of the people on this forum then they would soon realise that suicide is a very justifiable concept.

It pisses me off as well but you cant really blame them. Before I was depressed, I thought and said the same things. Its impossible to fully understand it without experiencing it.

 

[R_N]

What disgust me about it is "help" being total oposite of the word.

But yeah ignorance of people shouting that is close second. They should be careful what they wish for tho if time to reach "help" come for them as well.

 

[autistocracy]

I cannot stand those people and their disgusting delusions that they force onto other people, sorry but existence is the problem, not wanting to die. I hate how they assume their so called "help" is wanted when it wasn't even asked for, pro-life people just create more suffering and even this site isn't free from people saying "get help".

Those hollow, empty words repulse me as the only relief lies in death, existence is the true hell which is why it's insane how so many worship meaningless and unnecessary suffering. Wanting to die is all that makes sense and is all that feels rational which is it's so insulting when pro-lifers just repeat things like that, it's just wrong to insult people in such a way.
If those people really want to hold delusional beliefs then I wish they'd just learn to keep their delusions to themselves.

My response to things like that are, "so are you going to pay for it?" That usually shuts them up lol
(And even if they did, I wouldn't want it. Laughable that we even call it "help")

 

[azukigirl]

My response to things like that are, "so are you going to pay for it?" That usually shuts them up lol
(And even if they did, I wouldn't want it. Laughable that we even call it "help")

i agree, the "help" thats available has failed so many people

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

There is no where to even get help unless you have a big bank acct. It would be insane for people living on the poverty line to risk their basic needs in order to spend money on treatments and therapy that may or may not help them .

This. Even therapy on BetterHelp is incredibly expensive for someone who has virtually nothing.

 

[username8888]

I cannot stand those people and their disgusting delusions that they force onto other people, sorry but existence is the problem, not wanting to die. I hate how they assume their so called "help" is wanted when it wasn't even asked for, pro-life people just create more suffering and even this site isn't free from people saying "get help".

Those hollow, empty words repulse me as the only relief lies in death, existence is the true hell which is why it's insane how so many worship meaningless and unnecessary suffering. Wanting to die is all that makes sense and is all that feels rational which is it's so insulting when pro-lifers just repeat things like that, it's just wrong to insult people in such a way.
If those people really want to hold delusional beliefs then I wish they'd just learn to keep their delusions to themselves.

Yes, they think that wanting to die is some kind of spreading cancer.

 

[Manfrotto99]

Completely agree. When I ask a pro lifer for an objective good for staying around, they mention family and friends. When I told them I don't have friends and my family looks down at me, they can't say much other than "I'm sorry." What are you sorry for? I don't want an "I'm sorry" if you didn't do anything to me! Are you sorry for such shitty advice? I never understood pro lifers.

I can so relate to this myself !

 

[Seered Doom]

Yeah, it's so common, it's pathetic. They don't have an answer for anyone who dares to challenge them when brought to task. I bet you if I went up to certain youtuber who covered this site and try to get him to talk to me directly about this type of thing, he'd either (A) block me on sight, (B) try to paint a bad light on me which good luck with that bro bc I'm a nobody or (C) spin the same damn record everyone else has done long before him. Those like him are not special godsents, no matter how much of a saviour complex they paint for themselves.

 

[NeedAnEscape]

This. Even therapy on BetterHelp is incredibly expensive for someone who has virtually nothing.

and BetterHelp is... not always helpful...

 

[f1berz]

They stress to people to get help because they are oblivious as to what is going on around them. They are focused on their own lives, as everyone else is a side character to them but they think these side characters are like chess pieces, all in their control. They are very delusional.

You said this perfectly.

 

[Unsure and Useless]

I cannot stand those people and their disgusting delusions that they force onto other people, sorry but existence is the problem, not wanting to die. I hate how they assume their so called "help" is wanted when it wasn't even asked for, pro-life people just create more suffering and even this site isn't free from people saying "get help".

Not to mention, getting help is extremely expensive and, from what I've heard, pointless if not counterintuitive.

They'll pester you about seeking help in spite of you not being interested before charging you a ludicrous amount of money to get that help. Honestly, they only want the praise and feeling of "moral righteousness" from telling a "confused depressed person" to not CTB.

I've seen "get help" used as an insult, which tells you exactly how most people view it as well. Tbh, I dislike seeing it too.

Good point.

I think because, at the end of the day, the words "get help" is an insult.

In my opinion, help is needed when something is wrong in a situation where it would normally be correct, if that makes sense.

However, oftentimes, people who want to CTB are having, what I would consider, a normal reaction to their circumstances.

I mean, if I were essentially coerced into a date where I would have to work tirelessly for the benefit of some heartless bastard who does nothing yet earns more than me, I'd want to CTB too.

If anything, having a happy reaction to that situation is when I'd be concerned.

Telling someone to "get help" is implying that there's a flaw in how they are reacting, meaning that need to seek an outside entity to "correct" how they are perceiving something.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I definitely don't think it should be forced on people. I think it's ok to suggest it to someone from a genuine place of care and concern but- the feelings of the person in question need to be paramount. Maybe they don't want to go through all that. Maybe they've already sampled a lot of the 'help' out there and it hasn't helped! It doesn't annoy me that there is help- I think for some people, maybe it works. What gets to me is the assumption that it will work and that people aren't listened to and given the choice.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

Completely agree. When I ask a pro lifer for an objective good for staying around, they mention family and friends. When I told them I don't have friends and my family looks down at me, they can't say much other than "I'm sorry." What are you sorry for? I don't want an "I'm sorry" if you didn't do anything to me! Are you sorry for such shitty advice? I never understood pro lifers.

I doubt they're saying sorry in a way that implies blame. More of a "I'm sorry on behalf of the universe that it has been so cruel to you".

Obviously the "get help" advice is poorly considered, but I do think a lot of people genuinely care and don't want you to suffer. They just don't know the appropriate means, or communication to actually come to a solution, which occasionally does look like ctb depending on a person's circumstance.

I keep saying it on these forums but we need person-centered communication (personalized care to the individual's unique situation and ability to make their own decisions).

It takes a level of empathy that a lot of people just have not developed...

 

[sleepyhollow]

I've tried to get help before. It was about a year ago. I was quietly sobbing on the floor, curled up in a ball. I couldn't let my parents know because they would be devasted and angry with me, so I reached for my phone. When I searched, "how can I die," it said, "help is available." At 12:00 am, I clicked the call button. I waited for an hour and a half for someone, anyone to answer, but no one did. I guess help just wasn't available for me that day. By that time, I was exhausted, and I plopped onto my bed and promptly fell asleep (a rare occurrence, I assure you).

I know that people who tell us to just, "get help" have good intentions, but those intentions are not tempered with genuine empathy and understanding. In my experience, help is not so easy to come by as their words would make it out to be.

 

[suicidal flapper]

"Get help" is just a buzz word for them to get out of dealing with you. I tried getting help and the mental health system only hurt me further and hotlines don't do crap