Venting It disgusts me when people try to push the idea that suicide is a bad option

[FuneralCry]

Because death means the end to all suffering so how could it ever be bad. We are all just waiting around to die anyway so wanting death on my own terms is rational to escape from all future harms in this existence that was completely futile and meaningless in the first place.

It's disgusting how such a thing as suicide prevention even exists, it's delusional as well, to me ceasing to exist will always be preferable than being enslaved in this existence that just causes suffering and harm.
In my case the true problem will always lie in existence itself, death is the only relief in this hellish reality where there is no limit as to how much one suffer.

One cannot be harmed by not existing so only ceasing to exist is ideal, there's nothing irrational about wanting a permanent release from all suffering.
I cannot stand those who delusionally worship existence to the point that they see death as a terrible thing. No wanting death is all that makes sense to me, there is no point to existing, it just causes so much suffering anyway so it's wrong to be anti-suicide, the decision to die should only ever be respected, anti-suicide people just cause more suffering than there already is.

 

[soonatpeace777888]

But what about people who are desperate in the moment but if they they get past it end up actually liking life? Many people claim this about themselves.

I am pro-choice regarding suicide which is why I am here. But in order to make a legitimate choice you have to weight all options and possibilities and not make a rash decision.

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Suicide is a deeply personal and subjective experience, yet the pro - lifers fail to recognise this fact as they do many other things.
I find it arrogant of them to dismiss a person's suffering as invalid and expect them to stay alive and suffer for the sake of their own deluded ideology.

 

[Seered Doom]

Suicide, to me at least, is just a voluntary ceasation of life. Nothing more or less. Pro lifers fail to understand that there's no moral value attached to the idea itself. The act is personal to the person and the takeaway is what the deceased left for the rest of us. If there's nothing left behind, then that's their choice.

 

[Kit1]

I think people who are anti suicide are genuinely scared of the unknown/death - which will catch up with everyone at some point.

 

[Seered Doom]

Death is inevitable

 

[LaVieEnRose]

But what about people who are desperate in the moment but if they they get past it end up actually liking life? Many people claim this about themselves.

Shhh, we don't talk about those.

 

[Manfrotto99]

As the above thread mentioned, most people are afraid of death. It is perhaps people's biggest fear that they will avoid thinking about, from the comfort and safety of their little bubble and cocoon of life. They simply cannot and choose not to fathom how life could be so hard, that someone could choose death over life. It is incomprehensible, perhaps best explained as a form of sickness or manipulation...to get one's own way, a mental illness that will go away once the person is treated and locked up, or even perhaps they are possessed by the devil. Any explanation, in order to take the quilt and blame off of society and to distance themselves from it and place it solely onto the suicidal person themselves, who should be made to feel bad and quilty for confronting with the most fearful thing imaginable to man.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

They simply cannot fathom how life could be so hard that someone could choose death over life. It is incomprehensible, perhaps best explained as a form of sickness or manipulation...to get one's own way, a mental illness that will go away once the person is treated and locked up, or even perhaps they are possessed by the devil

Well suicides do shatter the whole idea that life is worth living. Each time a suicide happens, it's a reaction to how the world truly is beneath these platitudes that life is wonderful. I especially hate the notion that people are suicidal because they are under possession of a demon or devil, as if people can't think themselves and have lost their autonomy.

 

[Kit1]

Well suicides do shatter the whole idea that life is worth living. Each time a suicide happens, it's a reaction to how the world truly is beneath these platitudes that life is wonderful. I especially hate the notion that people are suicidal because they are under possession of a demon or devil, as if people can't think themselves and have lost their autonomy.

Is it also perhaps a wake up call (that people don't want to face) as tp howm many people have been isolated and let down by society. Society has failed to be fully inclusive in a number of our cases and people don't want to face up to that failure - easier to stay in their comfortable cocoons?

 

[Seered Doom]

Unless they live the painful reality, everyone wants to sugarcoat it under whimsical meaningless platitudes of nonsensical bullshit

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Is it also perhaps a wake up call (that people don't want to face) as tp howm many people have been isolated and let down by society. Society has failed to be fully inclusive in a number of our cases and people don't want to face up to that failure - easier to stay in their comfortable cocoons?

And that suicide is a complex issue, not as easy as "getting help", help that is clearly not enough by how mental health is being dealt with.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Suicide is always a good option if suffering for someone becomes unbearable. Society must understand that the right to die is also a human right regardless of the personal reasons someone may have.

Besides that I'm sure that nobody considers suicide just for fun. That's a long process until someone comes to the conclusion that suicide is possibly the last option they have left.

 

[livinginhellnation]

I agree, but I think its a matter of our current philosophy and mentality why suicide is still taboo, In any progressive, civilized society we should be given a choice in whether we wish to continue to live or not. If you don't enjoy playing a certain video game, the gaming company isn't going force you to finish the game. Likewise if you don't like the book you are reading, you can just stop. However fewer people are inclined to walk out of a cinema even though the movie they are watching is garbage. Unless other people start walking out first, most people will stay and suffer and watch it until to the end.
For some people, life is rewarding. If you are talented at something and can exceed your expectations and overcome challenges or are wealthy or lucky enough to pursure your life objectives then I'm sure life is worth living. However if you are subject to failure, misfortune, bad genes, born at the wrong time in the wrong country, improvished etc then going on with life is just a drag. Society should give us the choice. This is a basic human right.

 

[Seered Doom]

The romanticism of mental illness in media being a tragedy love story disgusts me and I'm tempted to make a section in off topic on how to write characters with mental illness better

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Well suicides do shatter the whole idea that life is worth living. Each time a suicide happens, it's a reaction to how the world truly is beneath these platitudes that life is wonderful. I especially hate the notion that people are suicidal because they are under possession of a demon or devil, as if people can't think themselves and have lost their autonomy.

Probably a way for the bereaved to try to cope with their loved one leaving them on purpose.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Probably a way for the bereaved to try to cope with their loved one leaving them on purpose.

True, I suppose that's one way to look at it. I've often thought if it would be a bit unfair to ctb in December right now.

 

[Kit1]

True, I suppose that's one way to look at it. I've often thought if it would be a bit unfair to ctb in December right now.

Why? Just out of interest..,

 

[LaVieEnRose]

True, I suppose that's one way to look at it. I've often thought if it would be a bit unfair to ctb in December right now.

For a long time it was viewed as a crime and a sin, now it's viewed as a function of illness, hopefully things will settle to a more nuanced view this century.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Because human behavior is driven mostly by conflict. Taking one's life is the ultimate rebuttal because that's literally the last word. Therefore most people naturally are repulsed by it.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

For a long time it was viewed as a crime and a sin, now it's viewed as a function of illness, hopefully things will settle to a more nuanced view this century.

Maybe, hopefully later this century. Hard to know since we don't know if it'll progress that way.

Why? Just out of interest..,

I don't know, it's that time of the year that my mom wants to spend together considering the hard year that it's been but I'm edge about ctb right now, I could realistically go in December and the shit part is that her mother died a year ago in December so for me to do right now would be a dagger to the throat and heart I guess but i am eager, I've been testing Meto out and I'm all good, even when I first took it months ago. Been eager to ctb after watching quite a few leave @Kit1

 

[f1berz]

As the above thread mentioned, most people are afraid of death. It is perhaps people's biggest fear that they will avoid thinking about, from the comfort and safety of their little bubble and cocoon of life. They simply cannot and choose not to fathom how life could be so hard, that someone could choose death over life. It is incomprehensible, perhaps best explained as a form of sickness or manipulation...to get one's own way, a mental illness that will go away once the person is treated and locked up, or even perhaps they are possessed by the devil. Any explanation, in order to take the quilt and blame off of society and to distance themselves from it and place it solely onto the suicidal person themselves, who should be made to feel bad and quilty for confronting with the most fearful thing imaginable to man.

This was well said

 

[Forever Sleep]

The truth is- none of us know whether it was that person's best option or not. None of us has a crystal ball. Maybe things would have gotten better for them. Maybe they would have gotten worse!

We don't absolutely know what happens after death either. Let's hope not but, they're not going to be better off if they are in hell! Not saying I believe in a hell or that suicides go there. But- some people do- so their particular fears may lie there.

What it comes down to though is one person's projection of life on another person. To a pro-lifer, life is always salvageable. Beyond their own selfish motives (they don't want to go through the grief of losing that person,) they may very well think things would have improved for them in time. So- to them- death seems like a tragedy and a travesty. To you- life is a living hell with no chances of redemption. I also have gotten the impression from previous posts that you haven't really experienced grief losing your family members- so- you probably can't see why that response is reasonable in others. The point I'm trying to make is- both viewpoints are reasonable and rationale considering how different you and pro-lifers experience life. You can't make them think like you anymore than they can make you think like them.

Where I'd certainly agree though is choice. That person made that decision for a reason. They didn't find their life worth living anymore. It's their choice that has to trump everything. It was their life. Unless they were out of their minds- they had the right to make that decision.

 

[suicidal flapper]

Oh god yeah. When someone's life is only going to bring them severe mental or physical agony until the very end then what the hell is the point of riding until the end? All this anti-suicide stuff is for happy people to never feel uncomfortable at the thought of life being to get to that point. That's all it's for. Not us

 

[King Ashoka]

Is philosophical reason enough to justify suicide ??

After reading Better Never to Have Been book i can't find any meaning in life. Antinatalism philosophy is so sound and profound that i feel empty from inside.

Cosmic meaninglessness is killing me.

But i can't defeat my survival instincts by only philosophy. When i try to kill myself , my brain find a reason to live.

What the fuck.

 

[wisp]

But what about people who are desperate in the moment but if they they get past it end up actually liking life? Many people claim this about themselves.

I am pro-choice regarding suicide which is why I am here. But in order to make a legitimate choice you have to weight all options and possibilities and not make a rash decision.

Nobody opts for suicide as the first solution, those who do CTB do so because they have tried everything. CTB must be a personal choice, no one can and no one should hinder you or advise you against it

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I agree. It is disgusting indeed and I really hate people for it. I wish they had compassion to let me die peacefully but unfortunately they'd rather keep me alive so that I can slave away in the system and contribute to taxes and so forth.

Nobody opts for suicide as the first solution, those who do CTB do so because they have tried everything. CTB must be a personal choice, no one can and no one should hinder you or advise you against it

Are you sure that nobody opts for suicide as the first solution? In my case, I always found suicide to a preferred choice over a last resort. I never wanted to live to begin with

 

[exiled]

I don't think it's disgusting to do so 100% of the time. There's nothing wrong in suggesting alternatives to suicide on a case by case basis. There are some people who feel like hurting themselves in a moment of impulse but do not actually want for their life to end. They may just need a situational change or may actually end up feeling completely different after a little while. There are situations in which it isn't the answer.

And yes, I agree, there are situations where it is the appropriate response. There is no blanket statement here. I think every situation is unique and deserves its own attention and care. The narrative you are putting forth creates bigger stigma for us suicidal people. We aren't pro-death. Or at least I'm not. Just open to the idea that in some cases, suicide could be the answer. Not always, though.